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USSSF
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On 12/8/2001
GBJ
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Since you asked, Arab...
Re-posted from 12/1/01:
"What might some of the benefits of the USSSF have been? A quarterly magazine, a monthly newsletter, “swag” (t-shirts, hats, stickers and other such USSSF “gear”), travelling “event kits” (ramps, relaible timers or multi-event contracts with a reputable sports timing vendor, flags, cones, displays, etc.) as proposed on the NCDSA Slalom Page, negotiated discount rates on airfare, hotels and rental cars, an organized event calendar, special event registration rates for members, reduced rate insurance alternatives for race organizers, a fairly elected rules committee comprised of our members to create a fair and reliable set of rules for our sport, and a program for developing and fostering the smaller, local levels of competition that will eventually feed participants into the larger, national-scale competitive community that we are seeing right now. Throw the rest of the intangibles on top of all that; the further development of organized and quantified communications within the community, and the unified face we’d then be able to present to other affiliated industries, media and potential non-slalom industry sponsors, and you have everything that an organization such as the USSSF is supposed to be."
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On 12/8/2001
Scabs
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Damn you`re pig-headed Arab, but I love ya brah!
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USSSF
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On 12/8/2001
Scabs
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Arab,
I know this is a longshot but....
Think of what the USSSF can do for slalom and not solely on whay it can do for you.
Believe me, if it goes as anticipated, you`ll be the one reaping the rewards from it in the long haul.
Just don`t think of it as one of those other organizations you belonged to.
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USSF
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On 12/8/2001
Scabs
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Good poinys Arab. I think we agree on some issues but the not knowing is what we are arguing about (read that as discussing).
To hear that promoters of downhill events want to have slalom events scares me because of the need to be a member in their organization to be able to participate.
I also think there is this misconception the the USSSF is going to be telling promoters how to run thier races.
I only reason I see the need for the USSSF is to organize us slalomers as a group with a loud and clear voice that can be heard buy potential sponsors or advertisers. This should bring $$ into the fold that might not necessary get there. It could be used for many reasons like added purses, or furthering the sport.
In closing, let me say that I cannot perceive any governing body telling a pronoter how to run his race. I do see an org. that sets guidelines for rules, helps organize races, and may even help racers on their costs (such as travel expenses etc..) through outside entities such as sponsors or advertisers.
Then again I could be talking out my arse...just the knucklehead in me ;-)
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rolling thunder
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On 12/8/2001 john gilmour
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I am going to have a race in Boston on the 4th of July. We had a trial run of the course this past summer.
I hope everyone bitches and moans about every little mistake and lets me know about it and talks about it on this board. I want this to happen so the races after my race can learn from my mistakes. I want this to happen so the races continue to get better.
I hope an organization keeps track of these issues to help make races continue to improve.
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USSSF
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On 12/8/2001
Scabs
wrote in from
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I`ve read Arab`s comments over the past few and some of it makes sense. What doesn`t make sense is the orcg. that he mentioned....(EDI,IGSA,RAIL,Red Bull ) in that these are Downhill orgs either standup, buttboard, or skate car thingy. He also mentioned that some of them WANT to have slalom at their races. Wait a minute? I`m not knocking these orgs but why didn`t they participate in this past years events? Seems they see a good thing and want to rain on OUR parade. They could have sponsored or supported a race by Jack, Don, GBJ, or Henry. Next you know they`ll each be changing rules on what you ride, or how you ride, or when you ride (in Arab`s own words "to support them").
It is for this very reason that we need the USSSF that supports the integrity of slalom for all of us. Even those on the left coast, if not more. It is well known that the majority of slalom skaters live on the left coast and would probably have a bigger say in things at the USSSF, if by shear majority.
When individual promoters decide how slalom should be, with no regards for the flow of the sport, but excuse me for saying this, that`s how we all get fucked. I don`t know how many times I popped over to the speedboard forum and heard guys complain about this or that organiser has special rules and they can`t race or something. Right now there`s big money in these events because of Xgame or other TV popularity and if these organizers think there is a buck to be made by slalom, I`m sure they`d like to get into the game.
Let`s unite and prevent any org from taking the flow out of slalom skating.
These opinions are mine solely expressed and not an actual part of the USSF but if they chose to use any ideas or thoughts expressed here, they may do so freely.
Brady Mitchell
KHRT 2001
USSSF 2002?
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USSSF part 2
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On 12/8/2001 kmg
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Some other things I been thinking about,
After every race, there is a period of days and sometimes weeks where there is a lot of discussion/complaining about issues that occurred before, during, or after the race.
The race organizer I’m sure reads these discussions/complaints and makes some decisions about what he/she would change if he/she could do it all over again. Maybe changes would be made, maybe they wouldn’t.
It seems that the next race on the calendar is going to be held by a different race organizer, and the lessons learned from the previous race organizer’s efforts may or may not be incorporated.
Wouldn’t it be better to have a sanctioning body who would actually be able to listen to these discussions/complaints, and have some power to help/advise the next race organizer, so that the lessons learned can be incorporated into all of the following races. And the mistakes made can be avoided, instead of repeated over and over.
Wouldn’t it also be better that, if you decided to organize a race yourself, you could go to one place, i.e., the sanctioning body, and learn everything you need to know to put on a world class event. AND, you would also learn what NOT to do.
I don’t think that the sanctioning body actually holds races, although I don’t see why they couldn’t. I think that the sanctioning body helps race organizers hold better races.
Be advised that theses are my own ideas, and I am not trying to take words out of GBJ’s mouth. Maybe I’m way off base on some things. I’m sure you guys will straighten me out.
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USSSF
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On 12/8/2001
kmg
wrote in from
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I’ve sat back and watched the USSSF debate for a while now, and have finally decided to throw out my 2 cents.
I think that arab might be right when he states that race organizers are going to do whatever they want to do.
BUT, I also think that race organizers have a lot of work to do. Given the choice between doing things the easy way or the hard way, most people will choose the easy way, unless it is a matter of principle, morals, religion, etc.
If, by choosing to work with a sanctioning body such as the USSSF, an organizer’s job got easier, it is my belief that the organizer would at least consider working along with the sanctioning body.
If, by choosing to work with a sanctioning body such as the USSSF, an organizer could attract more sponsors (i.e. money), it is my belief that the organizer would at least consider working along with the sanctioning body.
For the 2 points above to make any sense at all, the sanctioning body must have a level of credibility that adds status, money, racers, etc. to the organizer’s race and therefore makes his/her life easier.
For the sanctioning body to gain the above-mentioned status, it must have a large membership that is perceived as the majority of the slalom racing community. One POWERFUL voice that represents the majority of the slalom-racing community. The rules, ideas, wants, likes and dislikes, etc. of the membership is boiled down by discussion, voting, or other means; and adopted by the sanctioning body’s leadership.
If the USSSF is going to work, we must give it a fair chance by joining to increase the membership size to a level of credibility. What’s it gonna hurt? You have nothing to lose but your membership fee, and EVERYTHING to gain. A lot of us here are willing to pay more for a set of vintage skateboard wheels than the membership fee.
There will be those of us that sign up immediately, in order to help out and start the USSSF on a path to success. If it starts to grow, and gain some credibility, there will be those that then decide to join up and fuel the momentum. Finally, there will be the naysayers, that will at some late point, decide “what the hell”, and finally decide to “ride the wave of success”
I, for one, plan to be there at the beginning. GBJ has put a lot of thought into this, and he has no hidden agenda. He simply loves slalom skateboarding, and wants it to grow and thrive. Any of you who have met him have seen his passion immediately.
WE can make this work.
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exclusionary.org
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On 12/7/2001 lbk
wrote in from
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Well Arab, I'm not going to list all the organizations that I have ever belonged to because that is my own business. Sure some organization I joined have done nothing for me. That is "me". I might have joined some of those for the betterment of everyone involved or even the cause. Other organizations I have joined (aka given money to) have been for my sole benefit and that is the only reason I joined.
Why are you so down on skateboard organizations? Is it because they have not worked in the past? Myself, I am against organized sports. Skateboarding is about being free to ride. Do you really think that skateboarders would join an organization that would restrict them. No!
Also, are you saying that if I don't join EDI then I can't race. If that is the case then I will have to make a decision if I want to join just so I can race. Kind of sounds exclusionary to me but then again maybe we don't have to be an EDI member to race in their events.
Check you later, I'm out for the evening.
DR
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left,noright,noleft,yeahright.com
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On 12/7/2001
lefty
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But seriously folks. I'll be the first to tell you that I am not fond of organizations period. It is rare that they ever make you feel like you are getting true value for your membership- and most of the time you are lucky if you feel you are gettting about 50% of your value out of them. I have been a member of a rare few that seemed to give a lot more.
So that being said- why do we need them?
Well if we want to encourage competition it really helps lend credibility to our sport to have an organization that helps promote and steer our sport. It gives sponsors for an event that are not connected with teh industry a central place to communicate their needs and sponsor a series of races- that might have different promoters.
If people from other countries want to race it really helps them get funding from their country if we have an actual recognized organization. We Americans get screwed compared to other athletes who are supported by their governments. We have to pay our own way etc.... but as Americans we find a way to afford it. Other countries often just can't. They have to have their government financially to compete.
Having a organization will help schedule events properly so people have a logical schedule that is cost effective. They won't have competitions occur during New Englands hottest days, or California's rainy months, or Miami's humid summer. They won't have athletes being forced to choose between two "valuable Points" events that happen in the same weekend in defferent places. They won't sanction strange slalom events with bizzare cones/poles or courses that do not fit a recognized discipline of our sport- we will still be able to try out different formats, but a Mini 10 cone Tight Slalom or a 200 cone giant slalom won't count towards points or for determining a winner of a contest. Only events recognized will count- though if we develop something new and it gets voted in- great.
They might have a sliding scale for competitors For example....
A Bronze Membership lets you enter one local competition and one national competition.
A Silver membership lets you enter 3 Locals, 2 regional competitions
A Gold Lets you enter all the locals, all of the regionals and the world Championships.
A Pro membership gets you all the competitions plus prefered prequalifing status if you have over a certain number of points. Costs $$$more- but is good for the sport.
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EDI & FCR Races
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On 12/7/2001 lbk
wrote in from
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Arab,
Do I have to be a card carrying member of EDI or FCR to race in their respective events?
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Huh??
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On 12/7/2001 PA Dan
wrote in from
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I just want to race! So bad I can taste it! See you at the DC Winter Series! Winter...Oh shit!! O.K., I'm offically in training...weightlifting, 16 ounces at a time-Busch Light.Hope I can qualify for the BBR (Big Belly Racing) ORGANIZATION!!
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uhhh.
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On 12/7/2001 Lost Lamb
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Can I join?Please, Please, Please
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Anarchy in the USA
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On 12/7/2001 lbk
wrote in from
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Arab,
Checks in the mail.
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LMAO!
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On 12/7/2001
adam t
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Good one!
Cheers,
adam t
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khrt
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On 12/7/2001 cfavero115
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i have taken it upon myself and am now forming a splinter faction of the Knuckleheads.it is actually another racing organization, it is the USSFGIOSSWVISSFAKHSSDERSSISSAUSSSG.i dont have time to tell you the full name,that is only available with a paid membership.i cant tell you what we stand for either,again,only with a paid membership.to jion,just e mail me your credit card numbers,i will see that it gets taken care of.
El Presidente(thats espanol for you mono linguistics)
CF
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KH
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On 12/7/2001 SSof S
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OK,,, I'll believe any S;#=t you say, Alan! :-)
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KHRT
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On 12/7/2001
Paul K
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Whaddya mean "might!!!
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Knucklehead
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On 12/7/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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We're all over...
...the place! Anyway ya can't stop something that never needed starting and ya can't fight what ya can't see, but don't question existance, you just might go insane.
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KHRT
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On 12/7/2001
Paul K
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Noooooooo
Surely not....the end of KHRT
Paul K
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Knucklehead Racing Team
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On 12/7/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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SSSometime's you just got go with the flow 'cause sooner or later it all becomes what it was before. More of the same, only different...
...besides we've moved on. We're all over!!!
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KH
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On 12/7/2001 SSofS
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I don't get it... how come suddenly there's all these skating organisations being discussed in the Knucklehead forum???
Psycholloyd, wots goin on???
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EDI
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On 12/6/2001 lbk
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I don't think that just because someone is doing races that it would exclude any other slalom organizations from being created. Also, I went to EDI's page and I couldn't find any slalom races. Hunter previously sent me an e-mail and he mentioned EDI was going to do some slalom races. Any more info. on this? I hope the promoters announce their races as early as possible so people can start to make arrangements.
BTW, thanks to all the promoters out there.
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Thank you...
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On 12/6/2001
adam t
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Yes, Mr.Gould and I are in contact.
He lives a couple of hours North of me and we have loose plans to meet. I am also looking forward to meeting/skating with you if/when you arrive here in Phoenix. Please let me know, I'm sometimes pretty busy with the family and I want to make sure I get to meet you.
Here is a url for more about me than you want to know...
http://www.smallstreams.com/soar Here you can put a face to a name (...much less hair, a middle age spare, no more flares, if I bend over my pants tear, the pool we'll share, catch a little air, a black ribbon lair, for slalom I care, before the wheel chair, old age scare, ameron pipes are where?)
Best Regards,
adam [t]
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On 12/6/2001
adam t
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Mr.GBJ
I've said enough in regard to "that" organization.
You have been more than polite to me (e-mail) and my posts. Mr.Arab's opinion cuts straight to the chase. I wish you the best. There are no hard feelings from me in this, no grudges, the "static" words here are easy to interpret, to go on tangent. I've written enough on the subject and my opinion is clear. In the future, I assure you there will be no "told you so" because I am sure you will have the racers behind you, and the love of slalom skateboard racing in your heart. It's not hard to recognize this.
I don't think I have anything to apologize for, but if I have offended you, please accept mine. What is truly important here is that the "players" are all having fun, and there are plenty of people to share the fun with. This my friend, is what is important.
Good luck with your direction, you have a tough job ahead and I wish you well. It will be a labor of love and your rewards will come from knowing that you have "given back."
I'm a slalom enthusiast, a slalom freaque (...heard this from TK) and I applaud the current movement.
Have a great day,
adam t
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