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YUK
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On 12/10/2001 Dave G
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I duely accept my appointment !! Can I get a promotion..or at least double rations???????????
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Knuckleheads.
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On 12/10/2001 Solid State of Sheffield
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Arab...
Well, it's gotta be true! Just as an example, the Knuckleheads have helped start a UK slalom movement, which, tho small, cant be said of any of these other orgs whose names are a blur of initials I cant even remember (except SSS cos its my name too...)
Can it?
The Knuckleheads are reaching out and getting people all over the world into it, it's inclusive and not politically riven like many of the other people involved (if the La Costa aftermath was anything to go by!)
The Knucklehead Racing Team is the only one to be in!
Respect to em all, especially the ones that actually enter the races!
You guys RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKkkkK KKKK!!!!!!!!!!!!
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KHRT re A-Rab
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On 12/10/2001 SSofS
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Massive respeck goin out to the man like A-Rab for his gallant comments re the Knucks.
And let's see some jpegs of the 'biggest FFx collection on the planet'!
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KH
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On 12/9/2001 slappy
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I don't know how DC shoes, Vans, Osiris, etc. will feel about the skate youth turning to a barefoot lifestyle?
Will the kids ever be able to avoid dog poo with the skills of Dave G?
I argue he is too valuble as a Knucklehead natural resource to be used in this capacity.
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$CR
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On 12/9/2001 Bman
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Dave G... a wise choice for carrying a big stick and doin a little toe stompin on the side. Dave, are you up to the task????
Motion seconded, no objections, BANG, motion approved, Thank You.
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KHRT / $CR
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On 12/9/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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...I'll skate on the notion, and since it looks like there are no objections the motion is fast.
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Knuckhead
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On 12/9/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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Dave G is Sergeant at Harms!
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KHRT / $CR
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On 12/9/2001
Boardman
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Then I guess the motion passes for all junior Knuckleheads to fall under the YUK / $poiled Child Racing or YUK / $CR Division with no discrimination to locale, etc.etc. Due to the convoluted nature of all things gone wrong I would like to extend invitations to any jr. Racers interested in YUK /$CR. It don't cost nothin! Any one to second the motion? Any opposed?
Boardman
Director and chief disciplinarian
YUK / $CR (the dollar sign is no typo)
a GLOBAL GROUP THINGY......
BTW - the paddle (a modified popsicle stick skate) is ready, we need a sargeant at arms!
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On 12/9/2001 psYch
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You're right again. Going against the promoter wouldn't be a proactive measure either.
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On 12/9/2001 psYch0Lloyd
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...or at least be willing to come to the table.
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On 12/9/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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You bring up a good point arab. If an org is intrinsic to the skaters themselves then the promoter of the contest would have cooperate or follow suit. This could empower the members w/certain advantages.
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USSSF
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On 12/9/2001
Scabs
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A-rab, (I stole this from Debs)
Just why would you join an org if you already expect it to fail? Is it what YOU can get out of it? I believe the purpose of an org to to promote US. Ask not what this org can do for you but what you can do for the org..I know, I bastardized Kennedy`s speech but I think it makes a clear point.
You also keep touting the same reasons you foresee as the org`s failure though those arguments are nulled anf void.
You state..."The Promotors are gonna do what they damn well please..." and I think that`s a given.
You also state..."Call EDI,IGSA,RAIL,Red Bull and tell them that you want to unify Downhill skateboarding and that for a small fee(on top of what the racers have already paid to these other 4 orgs)that you will provide:
Rules,Regulations,Points system,Scheduleing for all of thier events, Credibility and Competition, the proper way on setting up a downhill course, and so much more to list because its the right thing to do so why list it. There will now be peace and harmony and everybody will get along much better because we are now a UNIFIED Org..." and the purpose of the USSSF is to NOT unify DOWNHILL but rather unify SLALOMERS.
So when you state..."I still want to be the first member of the future defunct org USSSF, Just to show my support I really dont expect anything else..." am I to assume that you would board a plane even if you in fact knew it was going to crash? I think not.
Yes, some or your statements make sense but some just have no merit. Why not help out and see if you can make argument FOR the USSSF? Now that would be ballsy of you!
When all is said and done, I hope to be able to skate with again ;-)
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Youth for a Unified Knuclehead
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On 12/9/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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Boardman: You are the chairman of the board! We sorely missed your presence at the consortium which is now about to recess. We did reconvene though just to consider your proposal and the outcome is as follows:
An instantaneous agreement has been reached amongst the members of the Board of the Coalition for Organization Assembly Committee of the Youth for a Unified Knucklehead (YUK)... uhm, er, to allow and assist in any formation of localized groups for the advancement of the slalom experience which can be named for any locality or thing.
After careful deliberation and judicious interpretation of the Knucklehead Handbook of Rules and Misconduct it has been found that it would be inappropriate to delineate from other members in disparate locations by identifying such group as a such 'n such location chapter of the Knuckleheads. Instead it would be highly advised that the Knuckleheads retain their unity to uphold the motto: "Though we may not skate together, we do stand apart." That being said I will have to reread this statement in the hopes that I too will understand the statements made here.
Alan Sidlo
...a very mixed up Knucklehead
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KHRT / SCR
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On 12/9/2001 Boardman
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I would like to ask the Knucklehead Board of Directors if I can start a Jr. group under the name of Spoiled Child Racing - SCR
Training will be boot camp discipline, including corporal punishment (i.e. a paddle) for infractions such as Criddling, DQ's, not setting a knocked over cone after a run, talking SMACK (unless it's during head to head runs), bitching about rules, regs and timing issues, and other conduct unbecoming a Slalom Racer. Ollies over cones will result in court martial. Other infractions will be dealt with, making offender's pump their board uphill. Please advise with approval. The kids want to race.......
Drill Sergeant Bman
Over and out......
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Rules committee
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On 12/9/2001 PA Dan
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Just an idea.
Put Arab, CC, and 3 of the other fastest racers on the rules committee. Their first meeting should last 'till about 2005. That's 5 less guys the rest of us have to worry about getting beat by!
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dunce.org
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On 12/9/2001
adam [t]
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Keep on truckin Mr.Arab, I enjoy your viewpoint, it makes me think intelligently about slalom skateboarding, in a world full of coneheads.
I like what you have to say.
adam [t]
"The fittest shall survive, yet the unfit may live." DEVO
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No Ring?
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On 12/9/2001
slappy
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GBJ, what happened to the 'Secret Decoder Ring'??? I won't join the USx3F unless the ring is included in membership.
I was hoping to finally understand Dave G's posts.
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USSSF
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On 12/8/2001
GBJ
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Since you asked, Arab...
Re-posted from 12/1/01:
"What might some of the benefits of the USSSF have been? A quarterly magazine, a monthly newsletter, “swag” (t-shirts, hats, stickers and other such USSSF “gear”), travelling “event kits” (ramps, relaible timers or multi-event contracts with a reputable sports timing vendor, flags, cones, displays, etc.) as proposed on the NCDSA Slalom Page, negotiated discount rates on airfare, hotels and rental cars, an organized event calendar, special event registration rates for members, reduced rate insurance alternatives for race organizers, a fairly elected rules committee comprised of our members to create a fair and reliable set of rules for our sport, and a program for developing and fostering the smaller, local levels of competition that will eventually feed participants into the larger, national-scale competitive community that we are seeing right now. Throw the rest of the intangibles on top of all that; the further development of organized and quantified communications within the community, and the unified face we’d then be able to present to other affiliated industries, media and potential non-slalom industry sponsors, and you have everything that an organization such as the USSSF is supposed to be."
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whatever
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On 12/8/2001
Scabs
wrote in from
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Damn you`re pig-headed Arab, but I love ya brah!
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USSSF
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On 12/8/2001
Scabs
wrote in from
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Arab,
I know this is a longshot but....
Think of what the USSSF can do for slalom and not solely on whay it can do for you.
Believe me, if it goes as anticipated, you`ll be the one reaping the rewards from it in the long haul.
Just don`t think of it as one of those other organizations you belonged to.
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USSF
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On 12/8/2001
Scabs
wrote in from
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Good poinys Arab. I think we agree on some issues but the not knowing is what we are arguing about (read that as discussing).
To hear that promoters of downhill events want to have slalom events scares me because of the need to be a member in their organization to be able to participate.
I also think there is this misconception the the USSSF is going to be telling promoters how to run thier races.
I only reason I see the need for the USSSF is to organize us slalomers as a group with a loud and clear voice that can be heard buy potential sponsors or advertisers. This should bring $$ into the fold that might not necessary get there. It could be used for many reasons like added purses, or furthering the sport.
In closing, let me say that I cannot perceive any governing body telling a pronoter how to run his race. I do see an org. that sets guidelines for rules, helps organize races, and may even help racers on their costs (such as travel expenses etc..) through outside entities such as sponsors or advertisers.
Then again I could be talking out my arse...just the knucklehead in me ;-)
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rolling thunder
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On 12/8/2001 john gilmour
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I am going to have a race in Boston on the 4th of July. We had a trial run of the course this past summer.
I hope everyone bitches and moans about every little mistake and lets me know about it and talks about it on this board. I want this to happen so the races after my race can learn from my mistakes. I want this to happen so the races continue to get better.
I hope an organization keeps track of these issues to help make races continue to improve.
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USSSF
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On 12/8/2001
Scabs
wrote in from
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I`ve read Arab`s comments over the past few and some of it makes sense. What doesn`t make sense is the orcg. that he mentioned....(EDI,IGSA,RAIL,Red Bull ) in that these are Downhill orgs either standup, buttboard, or skate car thingy. He also mentioned that some of them WANT to have slalom at their races. Wait a minute? I`m not knocking these orgs but why didn`t they participate in this past years events? Seems they see a good thing and want to rain on OUR parade. They could have sponsored or supported a race by Jack, Don, GBJ, or Henry. Next you know they`ll each be changing rules on what you ride, or how you ride, or when you ride (in Arab`s own words "to support them").
It is for this very reason that we need the USSSF that supports the integrity of slalom for all of us. Even those on the left coast, if not more. It is well known that the majority of slalom skaters live on the left coast and would probably have a bigger say in things at the USSSF, if by shear majority.
When individual promoters decide how slalom should be, with no regards for the flow of the sport, but excuse me for saying this, that`s how we all get fucked. I don`t know how many times I popped over to the speedboard forum and heard guys complain about this or that organiser has special rules and they can`t race or something. Right now there`s big money in these events because of Xgame or other TV popularity and if these organizers think there is a buck to be made by slalom, I`m sure they`d like to get into the game.
Let`s unite and prevent any org from taking the flow out of slalom skating.
These opinions are mine solely expressed and not an actual part of the USSF but if they chose to use any ideas or thoughts expressed here, they may do so freely.
Brady Mitchell
KHRT 2001
USSSF 2002?
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USSSF part 2
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On 12/8/2001 kmg
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Some other things I been thinking about,
After every race, there is a period of days and sometimes weeks where there is a lot of discussion/complaining about issues that occurred before, during, or after the race.
The race organizer I’m sure reads these discussions/complaints and makes some decisions about what he/she would change if he/she could do it all over again. Maybe changes would be made, maybe they wouldn’t.
It seems that the next race on the calendar is going to be held by a different race organizer, and the lessons learned from the previous race organizer’s efforts may or may not be incorporated.
Wouldn’t it be better to have a sanctioning body who would actually be able to listen to these discussions/complaints, and have some power to help/advise the next race organizer, so that the lessons learned can be incorporated into all of the following races. And the mistakes made can be avoided, instead of repeated over and over.
Wouldn’t it also be better that, if you decided to organize a race yourself, you could go to one place, i.e., the sanctioning body, and learn everything you need to know to put on a world class event. AND, you would also learn what NOT to do.
I don’t think that the sanctioning body actually holds races, although I don’t see why they couldn’t. I think that the sanctioning body helps race organizers hold better races.
Be advised that theses are my own ideas, and I am not trying to take words out of GBJ’s mouth. Maybe I’m way off base on some things. I’m sure you guys will straighten me out.
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USSSF
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On 12/8/2001
kmg
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I’ve sat back and watched the USSSF debate for a while now, and have finally decided to throw out my 2 cents.
I think that arab might be right when he states that race organizers are going to do whatever they want to do.
BUT, I also think that race organizers have a lot of work to do. Given the choice between doing things the easy way or the hard way, most people will choose the easy way, unless it is a matter of principle, morals, religion, etc.
If, by choosing to work with a sanctioning body such as the USSSF, an organizer’s job got easier, it is my belief that the organizer would at least consider working along with the sanctioning body.
If, by choosing to work with a sanctioning body such as the USSSF, an organizer could attract more sponsors (i.e. money), it is my belief that the organizer would at least consider working along with the sanctioning body.
For the 2 points above to make any sense at all, the sanctioning body must have a level of credibility that adds status, money, racers, etc. to the organizer’s race and therefore makes his/her life easier.
For the sanctioning body to gain the above-mentioned status, it must have a large membership that is perceived as the majority of the slalom racing community. One POWERFUL voice that represents the majority of the slalom-racing community. The rules, ideas, wants, likes and dislikes, etc. of the membership is boiled down by discussion, voting, or other means; and adopted by the sanctioning body’s leadership.
If the USSSF is going to work, we must give it a fair chance by joining to increase the membership size to a level of credibility. What’s it gonna hurt? You have nothing to lose but your membership fee, and EVERYTHING to gain. A lot of us here are willing to pay more for a set of vintage skateboard wheels than the membership fee.
There will be those of us that sign up immediately, in order to help out and start the USSSF on a path to success. If it starts to grow, and gain some credibility, there will be those that then decide to join up and fuel the momentum. Finally, there will be the naysayers, that will at some late point, decide “what the hell”, and finally decide to “ride the wave of success”
I, for one, plan to be there at the beginning. GBJ has put a lot of thought into this, and he has no hidden agenda. He simply loves slalom skateboarding, and wants it to grow and thrive. Any of you who have met him have seen his passion immediately.
WE can make this work.
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