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Kryptonics
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On 8/17/2001 Herbn
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My krypto board had no wood in it,it went soft around the bolt holes,urithane risers might have helped by reducing the amount of tightness the bolts needed to keep the trucks from sliding around.It was a smooth nice ride while it lasted.
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krypto foamcore Knockoff?????
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On 8/16/2001
Boardman
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If someone is going to make a copy of these bad boys, good luck. They should consider tryig to copy a Turner while they are at it. Serious engneering went into these pup's. BTW - Ptex bottom and fiberglass top were epxied to foam and wood stringer, Bumper was premolded and sandwiched in. I delaminated a couple during testing and saw what was inside. Neat shit.
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Krypto Foamcore
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On 8/16/2001
Boardman
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The Krypto foamcore was basically a radical channge from the wood board. It was made to be marketed toward skiers as its composotion was a P-Tex bottom, a wood stringer i the center with foam on each side topped off with a layer of fiberglass on top. The urethane bumber finished it off. I know as I did much testing of the prototypes in the late 70's. E-mail me with questions. I'll be happy to answer them or even take one of the wide ones off someones hands Yes, there were 2 models and a 3rd made in the 80's
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Kryptonics Deck
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On 8/16/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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As I remember it the Krypto board's urethane bumper was wrapped around a grove in the material (the seam comes to mind) but not 100% sure of this as this was over 20 years ago. It looked to me that P-tex was then laid around the foam/glass body of the deck making this monster one of the heaviest lunkers to covet at the time.
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mystery Indys
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On 8/16/2001 jjeff
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Thanks for the info on old Indys. It's still a mystery to me what I have. It's from around '78-79 I'd guess, so that likely puts it in stage 1 or 2 timeframe. But it's different from the one pictured in an old Indy ad from '78, which shows a truck with a narrow squared front (pivot) instead of being completely rounded like the one I have. The ad says the trucks are available in 77mm and 88mm (stage 1?). The new 101 pictured on longskate looks just like the one in that ad (except for the extra width).
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Kryptonics
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On 8/16/2001 Herbn
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I don't know,pouring a bumper around a foam core board! major work! matching green dye, ouch!! plus it's a rolling sponge.But ahhhh the memories!
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Replica Old-School Boards?
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On 8/15/2001 PSR
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Geez,I dunno..My recollection is that a Kryptonics foam + glass(w/ the wraparound urrethane bumper)was expensive then.A replica could cost me more than I paid for my car!
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G and S
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On 8/15/2001
Richard
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Callin Peter....
Get back to me!
solidstate@hotmail.com
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D>E>X
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On 8/15/2001 Richard Hardcastle
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Yo Mad Rat... Where'd you go? email me solidstate@hotmail.com
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Indy sizes
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On 8/14/2001 Herbn
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Yeah right,right now they seem to like the numbers to end with sixs so they have 126,136,146,156,166. but the 215 hasn't become a 216 and the 109 hasn't become a 106:0i think indys'just mess'n with us because 3 of the short board ones in my case measured 136.6,136.7,and 136.8 they should really be rounded up to 137, it's a hot day and i guess i'm just not busy enough:)
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Indys
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On 8/14/2001 Herbn
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They had 77,88,109,121,131,151,159,169,215 these days,and perhaps for some time now, they've rounded the sizes different,maybe leaving more axle by shortening the hangers, so there are 135,145,155,165,and 215's the freestyles(slaloms)still are called 109's though.They messed around with different numbers sometimes i think just rounding off like 150, 160,170, or was that thunder?sometimes the numbers changed but the trucks didn't,on the other hand ,does it really matter? it might.
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old school copies
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On 8/14/2001
stuart
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All this talk about old school is making me feel nostalgic, i making a few replicas at the moment, onefor kirt is the main one, so if anyone is interested in an affordable old school deck shoot me an email and well chat about what you want. everything i do is by hand and oneoff. i'm not trying to push myself forward here as there are some teriffic board builders who post here, but if you want to talk about a board let me know.
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G and S for a change
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On 8/14/2001 Richard Hardcastle
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yeah thanks for that little snipe, Duane! Of course I wouldnt REALLY prefer a copy..! Im gonna keep an eye on Alvin's Bowl Rider and see how it develops... he was kind enough to give me first refusal on it but it had already gone up when i got the email so its in the public domain now. There are other leads for me now too.. I'm feelin lucky at the moment. Shout out to Joe T
solidstate@hotmail.com
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Narrow Indys
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On 8/13/2001 PSR
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Jjeffs,take a good look at the front of the hanger on those Indy's you've got.If they're shaped to be a stretched 'v' towards the pivot,they're Stage 3(or newer)101's.If the axle hanger looks like a 'T' from head-on,it's likely you have Stage 2 109's.Stage 2's were made from '78-'81 or so,and turn a bit better(but grind worse)than later Indys.Stage's 1,2,3 had the most change-up's in sizes,then things settled down after "Stage 4".It is possible that you have a pair of low-volume or one-off trucks made for freestyle or slalom,but my bets are on the measurements you have just not quite fitting the number assigned by the factory(like the 215 isn't "215" at all)and being either 109's or 101's.
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Sims Pure Juice Comp
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On 8/13/2001
Mathew
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Set of four. They are red. They are a little worn. Very slightly coned.
Interested?
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Bowlrider
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On 8/13/2001 Duane
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Richard, a Bowlrider has appeared on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1178372439
unless of course you'd rather have a copy... :)
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Indy copies on a remade DT
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On 8/13/2001 Herbn
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What the buyer believes,or is led to believe;that's it,that sums it up.If you make copies and sell them as originals (NOS)that's a problem,hell it's criminal.Remaking classics as an homage,no problem,making old style boards and styling the art to look like a T
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N graphic even cooler,if you can do it artisticlly.I want to make a super thin v-lam, rocker, wedgetail, in a "piglike" shape 10.5 x 34 to 35 length ,it's gonna sport a Dogtown style graphic for sure,sell it as a Wes Humpston o.g. no way,i'd consider it better,and i'd want the credit for it.
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WOW!
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On 8/13/2001 loneskater
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i really didn't think this would take off into an extended discussion. I like the Cobra comparison and would like to add another analogy, the Fender Stratocaster guitar and copies. Probably the most copied product of this type. because we all can't own a 58 Strat. people play whatever they want and pay for it too. from disgusting chinese imports to handcrafted axes better build than anything ever leaving the Fender factory. they all seem to get along and the fender factory makes numerous models for all. that is all i am looking for in an new old deck. I concur with MSK in his riding with his front foot behind the front truck and wasted space on the nose. I cannot break the habit, and wound up on my ass more than once bowlriding because i "loaded" the nose. i now make my grip tape in a way that reminds me of my foot placement. however, doing a kind of nose wheelie around the bowl got some people motivated into trying it too. when the new parks started being built I drove two hours to skate, and i damn near cried (with happiness) and most are free to boot. i supported the town's building and have worked with numerous civic orginiztions of different townships to assist them in building more. i rode an old skate i owed for over ten years and that is all the equipment i rode until the supply of NOS stuff dried up and i was forced onto the new equipment. since many of the same companies are still in buisness, i was hoping in my own little way to prod them into re-issuing some dex. i can only hope. anybody out there ever ride at Skateboard Heaven, Solid Surf or Cadillac Wheels in Ft Lauderdale? i'd like to hear from you.
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DT copies and modern shapes
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On 8/13/2001 Richard Hardcastle
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Phew, you guys sure take this seriously. I dunno, as long as noone tries to con you its original, its really up to the buyer if they can live with themselves for havin a copy.
I wouldnt particularly want a copy but with some of this stuff goin for $4000+, if the RIDE was important to you, why not a copy? Im still chasin a Bowlrider or Team Rider. GnS say they may reissue them next year and Ill be first in line. In that instance I wouldnt care at all if it was 'original', its the ride I want. Is it any different, presumin the actual workmanship on the DT copy is sound? Of course its a little different if youre a collector, authenticity counts but I think we're talking about boards with 'vintage appeal' for RIDING, here.
At the end of the day it wouldnt matter so much if any of the manufacturers made decks in the sort of shapes us oldsters can get our heads round. Is it me or are they all identical these days? Certainly the difference between deck shapes was a lot more pronounced back then. I just bought a new one for toolin about on and to be honest there was NOTHING except price to choose between any of them from a wall full of dex. If we could get the old shapes then we wouldnt have to get embroiled in all this in the first place! Its a Powell deck I got, You might think THEY of all people might do an old school style dek shape...? Maybe someone knows of one...answers to solidstate@hotmail.com
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Indy truck?
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On 8/12/2001 jjeff
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I know that Indy made trucks in 77mm, 88mm, and 101mm widths, but did they make any other narrow sizes? I have what looks like an Indy hanger (at least I've always thought it was), and it fits the old 4 hole Indy baseplates. But this hanger measures 96mm, and it has a rounded pivot instead of a squared one. Did Indy make a 96mm truck, or do I have a copy!???
Oh yeah, I found a good use for stock RII bushings. They seem to work nicely as replacements for ACS 651s.
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Copies and Prices
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On 8/12/2001 Joe T
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Well one observation is AC recently started to re manufacture the AC Cobra for £37,000 upwards to special lightweight versions £50,000 after a space of about 20 years.
Where had the demand come from? all the replicas? the value of the originals?
If AC can do it why can't Gullwing? (A lot less tooling!)
Art is different but its one of the oldest rip off's, nice to see skateboard decks up there with Monet's and Da Vinci, just another milestone.
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P.S.
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On 8/12/2001 Lansing
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Of course, I'm 99.99% certain that the manufacturers of the car-kits had to license the name and insignias of MG & Ferrari. But that's because of the issues of "scale" and "intent."
If you handmade a fibreglass car body in your own garage with your own hands, bought a couple of Ferrari emblems from the dealership and slapped 'em on, you would NOT have to license your car from Ferrari! Likewise, if your wife made you put it in the classified ads 6 months later, you could legally sell it; as long as you made it clear that it was a homemade copy, not a "real" Ferrari.
Wow, have we (I) strayed from vintage skateboards! But the analogy holds, and IMO applies to what Evo/Kirtis/Alvin have done. Worthwhile discussion...
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new old stuff: artwork/brand-name
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On 8/12/2001
Lansing
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Scabs -- having the artwork and/or the brandname is half the point! People didn't buy Ferrari or MG car-kits and put "Joe Schmoe" on them! And both Ferrari and MG's seem to have kept all their market/collector value, despite the thousands of fibreglass copies being driven around on VW bodies.
Same with Kirtis', Alvin's and Evoracer's "tribute" decks. Having an "Alva" or "DT" - even knowing full well it is a copy - is the whole point. And the values for the vintage originals is in no way lessened.
Re: "stealing" the artwork: tricky issue. Not as b&w as you may think. Owning a music publishing company and being a composer myself, I know just a tad about copyright. "Intent" is a *big* part of the interpretation of copyright laws. Ever wonder how Wierd Al can pump out all these copies of hit songs? And yes, he has been sued several times...never loses, though. Why? Because his copies fall under the category of "parody." Same reason MAD magazine or SNL can get away with spoofs of copyrighted material. Doing something "in the style of" is also usually OK (for example, cutting an album of country done "in the style" of Eminem would be perfectly legal, even though you are copying his "style" in order to make money!) Didn't Kirtis say that the DT artwork on his deck wasn't actually a copy of a Humpton drawing, but something he did himself "in the style" of Humpton? Anyway, it gets insanely convoluted and complicated from here, but suffice it to say that painting "Alva" on your homemade deck does not automatically make you a pirate who should (or could) be thrown in jail. :-)
Again, in my opinion it only becomes a problem if somebody starts mass-producing them OR fraudulently sells them as originals.
Being that Wes and TA are alive and well, I would be *very* interested in hearing what they thought about these copy/tribute decks. Anyone have their e-mail?
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ebay
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On 8/12/2001 r.mendino
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ebay has been known to clamp down on fake goods before - autographs and cuban cigars come to mind - those (not amongst us ;-) who purchase fakes and are fooled, well let's not go bursting any bubbles
fakes sold as copies.......why doesn't wes release some of his original designs, shapes if not graphics.......?
can't believe this discussion is being carried on over toys that we thrashed over 20 years ago.......
r.
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