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On 10/1/2001
Chris Chaput
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Freestylers who Slalom:
Russ Howell
Richy Carrasco
Chris Chaput
Lynn Cooper
Dan Gesmer
Claude Regnier
Chris Sturhann... ...Who's next?
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On 10/1/2001
Claude
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Freestylin on a street board is certainally easier for most tricks then on a smaller freestyle board. I switched in 03 when Freestyle boards were almost imposible to get and street boards were plentiful.
I had my shop and used slicks to this day. I found that with my limited abilities(bad knee's) the longer board surface helped me a little. Since I am not able to spend countless hours learning new stuff it just mekes it easier to do the tricks I've always enjoyed.
Adam I've just noticed this site and started reading the previous posts. I have been on the Freestyle site since approximately the same time I posted here. Since Slaom is my favourite I've spent more time here. Now I can get the best of both worlds and still spend some time supporting Lillis' site and the sport without worry.
TN Handstand are great there's a variety of them that you just can't imagine until you've tried them. Because on my bad knee's they have been my saviour in the sport so just let people do what they enjoy and you do what you enjoy. If the last trick I ever do on a skateboard is a Handstand it will be because of my friend and Idol (when I was young) Russ Howell, He rocks and has always encourages us to ROLL>
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On 10/1/2001 TN re: Chaput
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Point taken. Somewhere the flow and fluidity of rolling got lost on post 70's freestyle. I just felt this forum was completely neglecting some significant developments in freestyle in the 80's. In terms of combining the best of both the 70's/80's, that I'd like to see. Also, freestyle on a longer deck would be interesting. After my Rocco was stolen, I began to try routines on an 80's pool deck and the larger deck definitely gave moves/manuevers a whole different flow. Perhaps a long, newschool deck could be the answer.
Anycase, I hope interest can generate enough critical mass to get the flatland FS going again. I'd just be curious after lying dormant for so long what new styles/tricks emerge.
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On 10/1/2001
Bob
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A few other random thoughts on freestyle...
I've owned a lot of specialized FS boards over the years, and I've like most of 'em. However, in the back of my mind, I always had the feeling that it would be better if I had a board I could do everything on. Of course, for most of that time, a "normal" board was 10" wide -- not exactly great for FS. Still, the fact that a dedicated FS board was not much fun to ride down the street felt sort of limiting. I always sort of felt if you were a good skateboarder, you should be able to jump on your board and go have a good time rolling down the street, doing some tricks or carving, and have a board that felt good for everything.
If you look at Chris's old "chapstick" boards, you can see that at the time they were really versatile decks. Nice, wide, blunt nose -- good for footwork. You could skate FS or a pool on them, or just go street skating.
Same with the good ol' Fibreflex Teamrider -- what a great board!!
Recently, I decided to do FS on a normal, modern street board. I still have some killer FS decks, but I decided I want to be able to skate like we used to -- on a versatile board. It took some getting used to, but I've finally gotten there. Its so cool to be able to snap an ollie off a curb, hit a bank with a rock'n'roll, do a nice fast drop-knee turn, and then throw down a fingerflip.
So for all the crap I constantly talk about newschoolers (maybe not on my site, but around friends), I have to say that a newschool street board is a really great vehicle for "re-unifying" some parts of skating that have been fragmented for a long time. Just make sure your wheels are big enough that they actually roll.
Bob
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On 10/1/2001
Bob Loftin
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I think it is simply impossible to ride a shortboard with the same flow and style as is possible on a longboard. I know there are/have been a lot of great, stylish shortboard riders, but longboarding is the true source of flow. No doubt about it.
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On 10/1/2001
Grumpy Ol Bastard
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Once again Chris hits the nail on the head. I started skating in '77, rode daily until '91 or so. Thinking I should be a grown up, I quit. Mistake. Bad idea. Flash forward 9 years. Skating was popular again, though not my reason for starting back or quiting, it was everywhere. Something happened to it though, it seemed to have been reborn without a soul, and all it's fluid was drained. I happened to see a piece on Longboarding on some EXTREME (ack!) T.V. show, I smiled, there was the style, soul, and fluidity shortboarding had seemed to have lost. At 36 I am hooked again. Longboarding, in all it's variations, is to me what skating used to be. I totally respect and am in awe of all the work and technical wizardry that goes into todays skating. I have a much deeper love for what the people who laid the foundations of skating achieved.
Sorry to be somewhat off topic.
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On 9/30/2001
Bob Staton
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Greetings once again!
In order to form a more perfect union....I have cooked
up yet another Hall Of Fame pie for you guy's to take a
bite out of.....I now offer up selections from various eras
as suggested by some of you.
The Pioneer Era...(the 50's)
J. O'Mahoney....experimental and inventive steel wheel
skateboarder who made skateboard objects as early
as 1952. Signal Hill race promoter. Publisher of a
major skateboarding magazine for several years. Skates almost everyday.
Jim "Fitz" Fitzpartick...started skateboarding in Pacific Beach in 1957...has never stoped, is the man behind changing the dynamics of laws and insurance issues
that have allowed skate parks to flourish. CEO of the
Skateboard Manufacturers Association.
The Team Era...(the 60's +or-)
Makaha Team and manager, owner.
Hobie Teams, north and south, including managers.
Zepher Team and manager
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The Golden Era....(the 70's)
Russ Howell
Ed Nadelin
Steve Cathy
Steve Day
Ellen O'Neal
Stacy Peralta
Ty Page
Doug Saladino
Chris Chaput
Skitch Hitchcock
Desiree Von Essen
Bob Mhor
Paul Hoffman
The International Era (the 80's)
Rodney Mullen USA
Per Welinder Sweden
Don Brown England
Pierre Andre France
YoYo Schulz Germany
Frank Messman Norway
Kevin Harris Canada
(current World Champion, tie)
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Other posible catagories:
Originators:
Curt Lingrend Kick flip
Bobby "Casper" Boyden Casper disaster
Tara Kaylor Kaylor walk/smoothie
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Lifetime Achievement:
Stefan "Lillis" Akesson
The man that keep the hope alive through the dark decade with the INFFS, International Network of Flatland Freestyle Skateboarding. Founder of the F Magazine site and the increasingly popular Forum.
A freestyler for over 20 years, winning more events than any other Pro since 1987, World Champion 2000 (tie), undefeated 2001. has appeared on numerous TV shows and at other events over the years doing demo's and promoting and putting on contests. A founder of WFSA and the key figure in the resurgence of the new freestyle era.
Special Achievement:
Primo and Diane
More people have seen freestyle through Primo and
Diane's 10 year run at Sea World, preforming for thousands of spectators daily, than by all other live venues combined.
Dale Smith
Very entertaining Pro skater and personality. Mentor and teacher, very important freestyle historian and promoter of good times through his vast connections to the skateboard industry and media. Still going strong
Famous Freestyle Families:
The Flying Carrasco Brothers
The Bardens (if not already nominated on a team)
Products:
Logan Earth Ski
Van's Shoes
Tracker Half Traks
Indy 99's, 101"s
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Movie/Video:
Skater Dater
That should give you guy's something to chew on for a while...later Bob
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On 9/30/2001
Chris Chaput
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TN, I respectfully disagree with you about when freestyle was happening. Although I have a tremendous amout of respect for riders who have the level of skill that it takes to pull off the extremely difficult technical tricks that dominated the scene in the eighties, I don't like the direction that freestyle took. When an entire routine can be performed in an area the size of a boxing ring, something is lost. What is lost is fluidity, style, speed, dynamics, power, connectivity and the use of wide open space. It lacks soul. Everthing looks consistently contained and controlled. It doesn't look fun. It looks difficult, but squint your eyes a little bit and it's hard to distinguish one trick from another. There is a lot time spent just setting up for tricks. The guy isn't skating, he is just making the board do tricks. Roll over. Jump. Flip. Good boy. Crank up some bad asynchronous music. Stay inside the box.
It's true that I'm a freestyler from the seventies and that I've never had to ollie to win anything. I value headstands and handstands and all of their variations. I think that they look stylish and professionals to humans of all ages. They have kind of a universal appeal. Carves, slides, fast wheelies and boarding-walking stylishly displayed our roots in surfing and were only made possible by boards that had wheels that rolled on trucks that turned. Todays boards are designed and tightened to flip, not to ride. I see a trick then nothing, a trick then nothing, etc. Everyone wears the standard uniform, a colorless t-shirt and neutral baggy pants. Stay inside the box.
If someone were to combine the "best of the seventies" with the "best of the eighties" in one routine, he would have the best of both worlds. I don't see very many kids today performing anything "old". They just do what everyone else is doing. It appears that creativity and innovation has been reduced to just adding another twist and/or revolution and putting a new name on an existing flip trick. Tricks are for kids. Freestyle is bigger than that.
Things will soon come full circle and in order to show me something new, you'll probably have to show me something old. If you do something old, everyone will think it's new. Think outside of the box.
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On 9/30/2001
Henry Hester
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See the contest calender for the La Costa Open. It has a SlopeStyle event.
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On 9/30/2001
Henry Hester
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See the contest calender for the . It has a SlopeStyle event.
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On 9/30/2001
Cliff Coleman
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Bob,
You wanted to know who Squeak was. His name is Brad Blank. There is a photo of him with Bruce Logan leaving for demos in Oregon in the Bruce Logan interview, Skateboarder Magazine, April, 1977.
Cliff
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On 9/30/2001
Cliff Coleman
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Glen,
I went back through some old issues of Skateboarder. May, 1980, nostalgia artical. John Milius, "Jack Barth and I showed the kickturn to Torger and the Hiltons".
More contest information, long post!
The Bahne/Cadillac National Skateboard Championships, 1975.
Women's Freestyle:
1. Peggy Oki-Zephyr.
2. Robin Logan-Logan Earth Ski.
3. michele Brunot-Independent competitor, no team.
Junior Men's Freestyle:
1. Steve Piccoilo-Lateral Visions.
2. Ty Page-Unity Surf Skate.
3. Jay Adams-Zephyr.
4. Tony Alva-Zephyr.
Senior Men's Freestyle:
1. Russ Howell-Hobie.
2. Skitch Hitchcock-Hobie.
3. Bob Mohr-Independent, no team.
4. Bruce Logan-Logan Earth Ski.
The First Annual San Buenaventura Skateboard Contest, 1975.
Girl's Hotdog:
1. Desiree Von Essen.
2. Mary Ann Messinmyer.
3. Susanne Schmidt.
4. Denise Kimball.
Men's Hotdog:
1. Tom Sims.
2. Richard Vanderwick.
3. Jamie Santana.
4. Dale Skol.
5. Gary Colkot.
First Annual Torrey Pines skateboard contest, April 26th, 1975.
Freestyle:
1. Bruce Logan.
2. Tom Sims.
3. Richard Boyden.
Huntington Beach City Festival Contest, 1975.
Freestyle.
Pee Wee Division:
1. Ron Quigly.
2. Matt Smith.
Boy's Division:
1. Steve Monahan.
2. Paul Constantineau.
3. Jay Adams.
Junior's Division:
1. Bob Neishi.
2. Fred Flavell.
3. (tie) Stacy Peralta.
Wentzel Ruml.
Men's Division:
1. Russ Howell.
2. John Denny.
3. (tie) Chris Cahill.
Tom Waller.
Girl's Division:
1. Starla Stewart.
2. Daisy Apodaca.
Women's Division:
1. Patti Monahan.
2. Janet Larruea.
Freestyle Contest, Orange County Fairgrounds, July 16th, 1975.
Men, 18 and over:
1. Chris Dawson-Zephyr.
2. Tom Waller-Zephyr.
Women, 17 and over:
1. Linda Meagher.
Boy's, 14 to 17:
1. Stacy Peralta-Zephyr.
2. Wentzel Ruml-Zephyr.
3. Bob Beniak.
4. Mark Ditmer-Rincon.
5. Nigel Kent.
6. kevin Bradshaw.
7. Doug Waltman.
8. Mark Kringer.
Girl's, 10 to 16:
1. Francine Hill.
2. Shanon Stewart.
Boy's, 9 to 13:
1. Anthony Gatti.
2. Paul Cullen.
3. Donald Oldham.
4. Randy Riola.
5. Tom Brookens.
6. Ho Yum-Zephyr.
7. Shawn Wise.
8. Jon Schorle.
Oceanside Contest, 1975.
Freestyle:
Boy's, 12 and under:
1. Bobby Boyden.
2. Randall Godinet.
3. Matt Primo.
Boy's, 13 to 15:
1. Jerry La Karnafeaux.
2. Eddy Katz.
3. Jim Weldon.
Boy's, 16 and over:
1. Richard Boyden.
2. Matt Weldon.
3. Bryan Throckmorton.
First Annual Southern California Skateboard Contest, 1975.
Freestyle.
Women's, 17 and over:
1. Andrea Malczewski-Unity Team.
2. Debi Eldridge-Unity Team.
3. Desiree Von Essen-Skateboard Magazine.
4. Robin Alaway-Skateboard Magazine.
Men's, 18 and over:
1. Russ Howell-Skateboard Magazine/GT.
2. Bob Mohr-Bahne/Cadillac.
3. Tom Sims-Skateboarder Magazine.
4. Bruce Logan-Makaha-Logan earth Ski.
Women's, 10 to 16:
1. Kathy Bomeisler-Makaha/Logan Earth Ski.
2. Mary Zerkie-Unity Team.
3. Francine Hill-Independent, no team.
Men's, 14 to 17:
1. Kelly Mahon-Unity Team.
2. Ty Page-Unity Team.
3. Stacy Peralta-Zephyr.
4. Tony Alva-Zephyr.
Men's, 9 t 13:
1. Mark Hess-Natique.
2. Mark Johnson-Skateboard Magazine.
3. Joey Calderon-Palavan Team.
4. Eddie Katz-Makaha/Logan Earth Ski.
Oceanside Professional Freestyle Contest, June 24th and 25th, 1978.
Men's Freestyle:
1. Doug Saladino.
2. Matt Barden.
3. Steve Cathey.
4. Steve Day.
5. Dan Ewell.
Women's Freestyle:
1. Ellen Berryman.
2. Robin Logan.
3. Julie Cheng.
4. Ellen Oneal.
5. Kathy Bowmeister.
360 Event:
1. Richie Carasco (47)
2. Dan Ewell (40)
3. Chris Larson (35)
Oceanside Nationals, Freestyle, July 21st and 22nd, 1979.
Sponsored Boys-11 to 13:
1. Rodney Mullen.
2. Squeaky Haynes.
3. Larry Barden.
4. Mike Smith.
5. Robb Rusk.
Sponsored Boys, 14 to 15:
1. James Barden.
2. Darren Durke.
3. Tony Shutts.
4. Brian Abell.
5. Philip Jetton.
Sponsored Men, 16 to 18:
1. Stuart singer.
2. Greg Macias.
3. Chris Hinds.
4. Kevin Harris.
5. Anthony Senna.
6. Paul Barrios.
Sponsored Men, over 18:
1. Mark Christensen.
2. Dennis Franklin.
3. Osmar Fossa.
4. Brian Martin.
5. Claud Roster.
Sponsored Girls, 11 to 13:
1. Laurie Gray.
2. Betty Steward.
Sponsored Girls, 14 to 15:
1. Amy Pike.
2. Carla Schacherl.
Sponsored Girls, 16 to 18:
1. Yvonne Cucci.
2. Jackie Jones.
3. Elly Meyers.
4. Suzette Owens.
Notable independent:
Anthony Rocco, 1st place, 11 to 13 independent boys.
Ask Florida Skaters about Jim McCall, Huck Andress and others including Rodney Mullen.
Other notable names in Freestyle were, Gregg Ayres, Curt Lindgren, Tim Scroggs and Mike Foster from New Mexico.
Enough!
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On 9/29/2001
TN -
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Something about this forum seems to think freestyle only took place in the 60's and 70's. Right before its death, freestyle was at its most incredible in the mid to late 80's. The tricks were inventive and the footwork got to a point where the board just seemed skittering on teflon. Compared to the 70's it was like what happened to gymnastics after Nadia Comenici took it to a new level. Everything before her looked like a joke. Kevin Harris though not as tehnically adept at tricks had the most flow I've ever seen in footwork. Mutt was to freestyle what Jordan was to B-ball. Handstands were out. Tricks were things that only could be done on a skateboard. Unfortunately, the burst of creativity and technique happened right before the mags and makers called it quits on freestyle and conceded everything to street. Sure some folks on this forum don't like tricks in which the wheels leave the ground unless its a gorilla grip, but c'mon is any less "natural" than gymnastics on a board. I rather see casper or one foot edge to edge or 360 slide than a handstand.
I would love to see freestyle reemerge, but not if it becomes a nostalgia fest in which people discount anything after 79'. At least with slalom I see the potential to take it to a new level much in the way it's happened with downhill. I think freestyle can come back but with a modern twist. Let's look forward to what can happen.
Anyone freestyling in NYC?
Regarding Hall of Fame mine would go beyond 79. It would have:
Russ Howell for never losing his cookies while spinning and perhaps the raddest commercial for GT skateboards.
Pineapple (for getting us out of the Logan era)
Paul Hoffman for taking nose spin tricks to a new level
Kevin Harris for the smoothest footwork of all time
Mutt for dominating in a Hutson like way
Z-team for bringing on the slides and making Daffys look downright stupid
PS. I got a G & S Stinger (freestyle deck) for sale. Looking for a Rocco or Mullen.
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On 9/29/2001
Cliff Coleman
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Glen,
Yes John Freis and Torger were credited with nose wheelies, kickturns, 360s and other early tricks.
For Lifetime achievment I recomend Dave Rochlen. He was the manager of the Southern CA Hobie team and was known as Mr. Head-dip in surfing. This guy was a great guy and took the team to all of their demos. He also wrote an article in the first Quarterly Skateboarder, "Performance Plus". He was involved in the development of the sport in many ways.
Glen, I agree with you that the first time a person drinks, even if it runs in the family it is a choice. The problem is that those with bad genetics have a more severe problem once they start.
Bob, the guy I mentioned earlier, Rudy Esquer was one of those greats who from my point of view was better than any other Skateboard Freestyler I ever saw in the middle 1960s. He was the captain of the Pipeliners Skateboard team. he now live in Maui and works for the county. He also happens to be the best Saxaphone player in the Islands. The Pipeliners were a group of guys that didn't have the backing of teams like Hobie and Rudy was unable to make it down south to the Anaheim International Championships, May 22nd and 23rd. He should go in on the first ballot if you ask me.
Glen, thanks for the information on Tina Trefethen.
Cliff Coleman
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On 9/29/2001
Bob Staton
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Ok, this is great...we are now rediscovering some of these great skaters from the clay wheel generation.
We have no nominations from the steel wheel generation as of yet.
For the awards presentation, I will need a program that has a picture, stats and a brief discription of the inductee.
So lets do this...10 skaters from the 60's and 10 skaters from the 70's
The skaters from the 60's seem to be free of major vice
issues, probably because of their age.
But we have few skaters that are remembered by more that one or two of you....but, hey! if that is all we have to work with, it will have to do.
Bob Staton
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On 9/29/2001 Glen
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Tina was a more gymnastic freestyler. Cliff you got her right as the one who crashed hardcore at Signal Hill. She is now married to a tennis pro and helped do the composites and design on Craig Breedloves latest land speed record car.
AS for John Freis. Isn't he the one credited with the kickturn? or was it the nose wheelie? He should be in.
I can see wanting to recognize people as role models, but that Carrasco guy has to go. :).
As far as genetics. I have the genetic propensity to go splat if I jump out of a plane at 30,000ft. It's my choice to do so or not. Being born with MS, Polio, or being fat and bald, is totally different.
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On 9/29/2001
Bob Staton
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Greetings,
Cliff, you seem to have some very good documentation
on freestylers long forgoten. This is very important, it would be great to have pictures of these people also.
What I believe we should do on the first years induction is go with the most famous of these individuals.Maybe that is not the best, maybe we should include out standing freestylers that we know from personal knowledge were as good as those who got the most publicity...or prehaps a combo.
What will be needed is documentation or a hell of a good story.
Some of the people you guy's have mentioned I do remember and are solid like Bob Mohr, where others seen to be one shot wonders.
I know of someone that few have heard of that was as good as anyone of his time. He won the
Pier Av. contest in '65 and did a number of other great thingsin his life...he was the drummer for Dick Dale
for a few years also.
I don't have that much of an issue with the drug and
drink part of a skaters backgroundalthought with some ,I do feel it is an issue, so we should look at each person on a case by case basis.We can't judge Woody
the 10 year old skate star by the actions of Woody the 40 year old. However, with some one like Per H. , the
best and the worst happened at the same time.
I want to honor the people that were great skaters and
great people at the same time. People like Russ Howell. Per Welinder, Steve Day, YoYo Schulz, Steve Cathy, Ellen O'neal, Richy Carrasco, people of that
fabric...solid role models, people that over came ther
addictions etc. and have spent time with the kids and organizations and put a piece of there life back where they got it.....at least for the first 20.
We have plenty of time to sort out the deserving and their place of honor as the years roll by.
How about those other catagories...life time achievement etc.....Where would you place Dale Smith,
Peggy Hoffman, Everett Rosecrans, Primo and Diane,
Skip???
Bob staton
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On 9/29/2001
Cliff Coleman
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Glen,
I forgot to ask you if you would vote for John Freis? He beat everyone for the overall title at the first International Championships and tied Dave Hilton for third in the Freestyle division, 1/2 point behind Bruce Logan who took second. For those of you that don't know, Torger won the contest in Freestyle.
Here are the places and their points.
Class AA, Tricks:
1. Torger Johnson, 28.5 pts.
2. Bruce Logan, 27 pts.
3. (tie) John Freis, 26.5 pts.
Dave Hilton, 26.5 pts.
5. (tie) Steve Hilton, 26 pts.
Sammy Jiminez, 26 pts.
Steve Quirt, 26 pts.
Larry Sebastian, 26 pts.
9. Brian Beeman, 25.5 pts.
Danny Escalante, 25.5 pts.
11. Don Barker, 25 pts.
12. (tie) Gary Hill, 24.5 pts.
Brian Logan, 24.5 pts.
Bob Mohr, 24.5 pts.
15. (tie) John Guild, 24 pts.
Mike Power, 24 pts.
Karl Weber, 24 pts.
18. (tie) Ron Hatch, 23 pts.
Kevin Jones, 23 pts.
20. (tie) Jeff Greenelsh, 22 pts.---The Magazine says tie but not with whom.
Class A, Tricks: Ten and under.
1. Brandon Woodward, 28 pts.
2. Dave Kenny, 24.5 pts.
3. J. Mesa, 24 pts.
4. (tie) M. Hazitt, 22.5 pts.
Mike Lacy, 22.5 pts.
Dick Mohr, 22.5 pts.
7. Pete Burg, 21 pts.
8. (tie) J. Guild, 18.5 pts.
Andy Herrick, 18.5 pts.
10. Rick Anderson, 16.5 pts.
Girls, Tricks:
1. Laurie Turner, 25.5 pts.
2. Colleen Boyd, 24 pts.
3. Wendy Bearer, 23 pts.
4. Laurie Allen, 21 pts.
5. Valerie Perez, 20 pts.
6. Suzie Rowland, 17.5 pts.
7. Donna Cash, 15.5 pts.
8. Colleen Jones, 14 pts.
9. Paula Johnson, 13 pts.
10. Sherry Grindle, 12 pts.
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On 9/29/2001
Cliff Coleman
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Glen,
Was Tina Trefethen a Freestyler? I raced at Signal Hill when she won the womens skatecar division and I was told that she was a hang gliding champion and they convinced her she might be able to win two world championships if whe raced the skate car. She did win but crashed after hitting the raised bump in the road beyond the speed trap. She went to the hospital with a punctured lung and was on the critical list for weeks.
Regarding Alcholism, do you believe in genetic propensities? The mother of my children died of Alcholism at the age of 39. It only took three years from the time she first began drinking until her death. I believe it does run in many families.
Cliff
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On 9/29/2001 Glen
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Bob, you skated Burbank banks?
Miller school, makes Revere look small, is 6 blocks downhill from my house, and Muir Jr. High is 8 blocks the other direction. Miller was awesome in the 70's, the banks are gone now though. Muir needs a resurface.
Bruce Logan should be in the Hall of Fame, based on his '65 Anaheim performance alone.
Torger died in a car crash. He was awesome and should be in as well.
Bob Mohr did take his own life a while back, but was a truely great skater from way back.
Steve and Dave Hilton should be in.
Danny Bearer should be in.
George Trafton
Russ Howell
Ed Nadalin
Chris Chaput
Steve Cathey
Paul Hoffman
Skitch Hitchcock
Ty Page
Tina Trefethen
Desiree Von Essen
Pineapple
Tom Sims
Sorry to disagree Cliff, but alcholism and drug addiction are not disesses they are choices that people make. Having lost a step-brother due to drug abuse, and damaged my own heart with speed. It was all due to choices not something we caught.
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On 9/29/2001
Bob Staton
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Cliff,
I did talk to Chris and Ed that day at Morro. But I was sure I saw you on a longboard skating around in the street, on the slolom course, before they made us all leave... who was that white haired dude then???
I used to skate longboard with Ed and Brad back in the 70's, we would go to banked school yards like Burbank.
Brad and I worked for Mitchells skate shop in Garden Grove and Brad dated my daughter for a while,
Bob
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On 9/29/2001
Bob Staton
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Hi,
There will be a Hall of fame catagory for families also.
So the Bardens and the Carrascos have been nominated as well as the Logans...who else.
To my recollection the first skateboard contest
was put on by Larry Stevenson/Makaha at Pier
Ave. Jr. High School in 1964. A guy named "Squeek"
won it.....who was he and where is he now?
Bob Staton
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On 9/29/2001
Cliff Coleman
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Bob,
That was Chris Chaput at Moro Bay on an Ed Economy long board Freestyling after the race and he is still awesome. I did things like handstands, headstands, headstand spinners, L-sit to handstand, all forms of wheelies and most notably a backflip dismount at a Freestyle contest south of Santa Cruz in the 70s.
Cliff
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On 9/29/2001
Bob Staton
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Hi Cliff,
You may remember me from the Morro Bay Slalom Championships, I was the guy watching you doing some killer freestyle on your longboard after the contest
You are still great! Come enter one of our freestyle contests. In fact, I invite you to join WFSA and be a part of the Hall of Fame selection team.
I'm all for inducting Woody but I believe he was on the Hobie Team with you, so you will all get in eventually, as a package deal along with the Hiltons.
Last time I saw Woody was about 2am, crawlling up the ivy embankment under the San Ysidro overpass in Montecito back in '88, with his parrot on his shoulder.
I had to throw him out of my cab for being drunk and disorderly. He called me back the next week for a ride home and he did not remember a thing. I used to see him frequently at East Beach where I practiced for contests. He tried my board a few times but could not do anything, nor did he try to, but he did like to give me
advice occasionally. A strange thing that was, when he was at the top of his game in the mid 60's, I could not possibly do the things he did, now, some 22 years later, he could not possibly do the things I did.
He is still around Monticeto somewhere, Scott Starr knows where to find him, I will bring him to the HoF awards in the spring...unless he gets rowdey and I
have to throw his butt out on the freeway...again!
Bob Staton
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On 9/29/2001
Cliff Coleman
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Bob,
There were two Hobie teams in 1965. The original team was from Southern CA. They lived in the Pacific Palisades and Santa Monica Areas. The other team was the Northern hobie team. The Southern members that I remember were, Danny Bearer, National Champion 1964. Wendy Bearer, Danny's sister, Colleen Boyd, George Trafton, John Freis, Steve and Dave Hilton, Danny Schaffer and Torger Johnson. By the way, Torger Died in a car crash on the island of Kaui, HI. He was truly a great guy.
The Northern Hobie team consisted of Danny Escalante, Brian Beeman, both tied for 9th at the first International Skateboard Championships in Freestyle. Steve Peterson, Karl Weber, Cliff Coleman, Andy Herrick, Laurie Turner and Laura Allen.
Remember when you induct people that Drug addiction is a disease. You will write an incomplete history if you leave out people because of this or because of personalities. When Bruce Logan was young he was great.
Don't forget Bob Mohr. I hear he took his life but I'm not sure. He was great in the 60s and 70s. Matt Barden was one of Russ howell's proteges and was very good in the 70s. Micky Maga of Jack's Skateboard team was famous for his high jumps in the middle 60s. The Jack's team graced the cover of The Quarterly Skaterboarder magazine in 1965. Valerie Perez was a good Freestyler in 1965 and took third at the First International Skateboard Championships. Pat McGee was also an early skateboard champion and graced the cover of Life magazine in May, 1965.
Early teams of the 60s were Makaha, Hobie, Jack's, Kips, C&D Imperials, C&D Surf Team, Tuks and the Pipeliners. In the 70s the Alot-a-Flex team had many great riders. A guy named Primo Desiderio (sp?) from Southern CA was very good in the 70s. Rocko won contests also in the 70s.
There are so many that it takes a while to think back.
Cliff Coleman
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