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BLACK ICK!?
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On 3/27/2003 Henry J
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Miko-
Did you paint your ICK black?????
what are you THINKING?
actually, what are you SMOKING?
Not only is black boring, it is functionally the worst color for a composite skateboard... black absorbs the most heat. This could be slightly detrimental to the ride over a long period of time.
Glenn's Retro is a beast! Big flat and fat. Those wheels roll like the giant ball in Indiana Jones.
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Crack? What Crack???
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On 3/27/2003
Miko
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Looks like marks of some sort... It's Glenn Shotwell's ride, not mine. Probably just road tar or solar flares or sumpin'. Those wheels are so big the just roll over houses anyway...
Kenny! I'm still riding Pinky-the-mini and she rips (she's now Blackie though)... I learn more about her every day. She's just like you... quick to respond and sometimes impetuous. You are now getting sleepy... Return to the fold wayward brother... buy a Retro-Flattie!!! Call Rick now... Hope to see you at Paso!
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Cracks?
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On 3/27/2003 Nima
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Hey Miko:
Are those cracks on the rear wheels on that Ick?
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Ick
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On 3/27/2003 Mollica
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That is one bad-ass looking Ick.
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Quiver me timbers...
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On 3/27/2003
Miko
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Hey John...
Practice means go out and carve all your *favorite* hills on the board you want to get wired.
I was out today running a series of hills around Capitola and Soquel with my ICK Carrera, just enjoying fast pumping, gs carves, change-ups, pushing some carves hard enough to drift toe and heelside... It's all good and makes you more secure at any speed.
Plus you get to ride all over the place and not worry about cones and getting kicked off the road etc. Recreational free riding is probably the most fun riding I do.
I'm on both Mike and Gary's team besides riding for team ICK! I loved the Carrera the moment I tried one... I'm still totally stoked on it, and want a backup in case I lose or break it.
I also have a Mini-Carrera, and I've been putting a little extra time in on it, so I'm more used to a slightly shorter w/b board for the tight stuff.
Finally... Rick Howell is making me one of his Retro-Flatties, which is what Charlie Ransom rode to 1st place on in the GS at Morro Bay.
It's 34.5" long and will have roughly a 25.5" axle to axle w/b. It's a BIG hill board... Can't wait to go out on my rounds in Capitola on that baby!
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John's Boards
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On 3/26/2003
Mike Maysey
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Hey John,
Out of those selections, you probably would have been better off on the whitebird. That board is best suited for that type of course. If I had brought one of my hybrids, I would have ridden that because it is slightly longer than my fullnose. I also wanted to have my red fullnose to ride as well as the white one I rode. The red one is fast but I thought the white one would be faster since it's stiffer. Trouble was, it was a push start and a very low speed start after picking up the push foot.
You reasoning sounds good, however you have to give yourself a chance to learn how to ride that hybrid because on tighter courses that are pumpers, you'll be glad you did.
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HairDo
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On 3/26/2003
Mike Maysey
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I'm planning some alternative hair style for this weekend. It'll probably gel tomorrow sometime.
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You'd have to work hard to make skateboard practice hard.
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On 3/26/2003
Wesley Tucker
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Just remember, John, that even when you "practice" at slalom, you're still riding a skateboard. By calling it "practice," it's just an excuse to ride your skateboard A LOT.
Work? Not hardly.
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practice?!?
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On 3/26/2003
john airey
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practice?!? nobody told me about that... sounds
suspiciously like work to me. also, proven==boring,
but perhaps I will spend some more time on the hybrid.
Miko, I hear you have quite the quiver. Are you on
gary's team or mike's team?, :-).
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Slalom board for slalom...
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On 3/26/2003
Miko
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Hi John...
I'd say put away the birch board and put some hard practice time into the Fatboy and Hybrid. Maybe just the Hybrid so you'll really get it wired. You'll finally start feeling comfortable and getting up to greater speeds. It will then become apparent if you need to migrate to another specific type of deck (possibly shorter or longer w/b, stiffness etc.) The hybrid is a proven deck which once you gotten it wired, will help you determine where you want to go next (if anywhere).
Looking forward to meeting you at one of the Midtown gatherings or races!
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payment for moving mikes cones...
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On 3/26/2003
john airey
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gary, when do I get my $10 for "adjusting" those key cones
in maysey's lane on my walk back up?
(a joke!).
seemed like a lot of turner hybrids that day.
some grassroots team competitions could be fun.
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On 3/26/2003 gary h.
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Mike and I are on only one team: Turner ...oh wait...and Etnies & ProDesigned.
If there was one perfect board we would have all used it at Shoreline.
Of the boards you had....
I would have used your Hybrid.
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grade my homework
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On 3/25/2003
john airey
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Mike, I have some questions for you.
This flatland race we had on sunday was my first
slalom race in about 26 years. great fun.
I had 3 setups available:
1. fatboy (your old one).
2. whitebird proto (the softer one you didn't ride)
3. a short stiff birch ply/carbon deck
David Eye of CO rescued
from his own board building research and sent me.
(thanks david!)
(used decks have more character!)
the almost flat course had that little downhill to start, that slight uphill and then the flat part to the finish.
There were a lot of 6' cones I think?
I choose setup 3 because in some quick testing I could
get it through the 6' cones easily because it was short
and it feels secure and predictable due to the
stiffness and the full shape. I tested I could pump it
uphill as well so I figured I was set to hopefully
spoil somebody rather than just be cannon fodder.
But Sully, J. Kim, and Bill Evans killed me on the
uphill part even tho I felt I did okay on the downhill
part against them. They fully motored by me on that
section. Two had whitebirds and sully had a flexible
deck too.
So later I tested my decks again and the whitebird is
the fastest for going up a slight hill, I guess I
should have ridden that one. Maybe I will use that for
flatland in the future.
But the most flexible and fastest whitebird is also the
one that feels the least secure in the sense that if I
pump too hard I can get bucked and slide coming out of
the turn. I didn't want to fall or DQ in the excitement
of the event.
The fatboy is the most secure but it has the least
margin for error if there are 6' cones so I ruled it
out.
For GGP (that hill seems fairly steep to me) it seems I
don't want a deck that is super pumpable since it is
downhill. I want a stable secure deck I can get through
all the cones without struggling.
The last course you had there had a few tight ones
so I think I will chose the little birch deck for GGP.
What do you think of that reasoning?
Also, how about a Maysey team and a Holl team for these
local events? SJ/penninsula vs SF? This could be
the start of a beautiful rivalry, :-).
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Maysey's Mohawk......
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On 3/25/2003
Rene' Carrasco
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Mike -
Did you mention at the end of the last racing season -
{on NCDSA} that you would be "sporting" a Mohawk haircut for the NEW 2003 FCR RACING SEASON ? hmmmmmmmm.
That would be rad. TAXI DRIVER MEETS ELSINORE.
See you at the Lake - "Skates Up !"
................-Rene'- "Cannonball" Carrasco.
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pumping
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On 3/25/2003 matt (vasocreta)
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thanks, Mike and JG. Your posts are most helpful. I am planning to learn to apply what I have learned so far to my stiff Comet Race Narrow. Moving to this deck should help me to recognize very quickly my weak points in the current technique that I employ.
I will keep you posted on how it all works out.
Thanks again.
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How to pump
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On 3/25/2003 John Gilmour
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Dan Gesmer has a great description of how to pump called "power turning aka gryrating aka pumping". I asked him to post it. He is at seismicsk8.com. First things first. I like my wheels to stick out from the board at least 1/2 and inch and slightly wider for GS boards. I do not like radiused wheels for sliding in a race course, though for just cruising downhill they are fine. A straight edged wheel will grab much harder in a slide and resume traction much quicker when brought out of the slide, this is like putting the brakes late in a turn but intensely so you spend less time braking and more time going forward which translates into a faster run. Inside radiused wheels can break into a slide which can be abrupt and hard to halt. I saw some people ar the West LA College course go into a slide and actually end up backwards because they could not stop the slide.
As for the arm movements I would like to reduce the my amount of arm movement. All turning should come from the waist down. Any twisting of the torso is counter productive. The one area where this logic gets tossed out is when you are trying to pump from a slow speed. Pumping gives you speed anhd you can pump on flat ground and even up a hill without ever touching your feet to the ground. With practice you can pump 10mph or more- even over 20mph. It is tiring and it can be a whole body movement or you can isolate different parts of your body to pump.
I used to pump for about 2 miles non stop on the Night skates in Boston and pump on and off again for the other 14 miles. If you switch body parts to pump from time to time you can reduce fatigue.
The basic concept is similar to that of the locomotion of a snake. The front foot and rear foot are turning slightly out of phase. When you are turning right with your front foot your back foot is "pushing" the board laterally left and vice versa. There are several different styles of pumping as well. See Chris' pumping video and martins pumping video on chrischaput.com. The Karate chop analogy is a good one as the hand strike should coincide with apex of the turn to load the wheels with extra weight to gain traction when they need it the most. The Italians use this like crazy.
pumping really confuses spectators as they can not figure out where the speed is coming from. I do not know of any other sport where you can generate speed "mysteriously" like this.
In the movie "Freewheeling" you can see many differennt pumping styles in effect. Vince Turner, Bob Turner's brother uses a knees together technique with a very static uppper body with arm movements. Stacey Peralta uses the technique favored by the Swiss slalomers using his front foot for steering and riding on the ball of the rear foot for accenting power and traction to the wheels at the apex of the turn. This enables Stacey to ride a very narrow board and truck and wheel combo which is advantageous for the both tight slalom and very offset courses. Henry Hester used a very powerful hip and ankle driven technique- really good for steep courses and for courses that require stop and go braking. Bobby Piercy uses a modified ski technique effective for both quick turning in mogul skiing and skateboard slalom where his feet are nearly parallel and he steps and counter puches from foot to foot. You will notice that Bobby's navel is almost perfectly stationary and just floats in a straight line over the shortest average distance between the cones- while his knees jet from side to side. Almost all of Bobby's quick action comes from the ankles and knees. His hands only serve to stabilize his insanely high speed movements and generate no downforce ,he tries to keep his hand positioning lower to maintain a low center of gravity. This also allows his to use his hands for balance when he drives his hips wide to either the left or right to make an offset gate. The Europeans now feel the surf style stance is fastest, but still some ride parallel stance- I still am not sure which is faser. In a course that gets tight I will change from surf style to a parallel stance while riding and back again if the course opens up.
Jani Soderhall 7 time slalom champ of Sweden 3 time world champion- uses Stacy Peralta's stance coupled with a rotary swinging of the arms which coincides with the apex of each turn- this gives him almost unlimited traction for heavily offset gates and affords him the needed balance when he displaces his body far to the right or left. Indeed so of the still photos of him show him in nearly impoossible positions with is body nearly lateral and bent in an extreme stetched s shape. Truly amazing to watch. I can't get into those positions when supporting myself on a couch! No wonder his girlfriend never leaves him! Jani's style allows him very fast acceleration from a near standstill and the ability to do super offset tight cones. I do not know how this works at very high speeds, but it looks good. You can hear the Urethane tearing at the pavement when he rides. The Italians ride in a crouched position with a rasied heel and their bodies span abruptly from turn to turn. They appear to make "Z" turns from cone to cone and are very fast as a result. They ride super hard 95a or harder wheels and narrow tall trucks (very high cg) and stiff and narrow boards with kicktails. They ride boards by Indiana skates. I would not reccomend this style to a beginner. Very few people have figured out how they do it. The Latvians and Estonians use a lot of hand swinging, more than other skaters- most likely because they train on flat ground only and have to accelerate as quickly as possible.
The Russians ride with an aggressive forward stance and strain at the neck to drag the rest of the body forward. Dan Gesmer has seen this and could comment.
To learn how to pump well you should be good at pumping with each joint. So once you have figured out how to pump -try pumping using just your ankles, then pump using just your knees, then just your torso, then just your arms, and then just your hips. When you recombine all of them again you will be able to go much faster- it just requires identifing your weakness and fixing them.
I have a ton of slalom mags to scan in and a few videos- I had a lot of server space, but now that is gone. Anyone want to host the footage?Using Seismic 110's with silver springs makes learning to pump a breeze. Other good trucks for learning to pump are Bennetts and California Slaloms as they are very quick turning. The easiest board to learn to pump on is the original Henry Hester Fibreflex decks. Shorter boards are easier to learn to pump on. Longer boards can be pumped at faster speeds.
Smaller wheels are easier to pump on as well. Find a good smooth high traction surface and cut loose.
and a got tip from Jesse
On 6/13/2001 Jesse Hunt wrote in from 206.171.xxx.xxx:
Learning How to Pump/Propel a Skateboard
Duane,
I can’t speak for anyone else, but this is the easiest way that I have figured out how to teach people how to pump.
1)Get a short board with a tail.
2)Put your back foot on the tail.
3)Push down the tail and start “Tacking” back and forth (lift the front wheels off the ground and swing your front foot from side to side)
4)Now you are propelling yourself without pushing. You’re cheating because you’re using the tail, but you are learning the BODY MOTION required to propel yourself.
5)Try to do the TIGHTEST and QUICKEEST tacks possible to get going as fast as you can. Pretend you are racing someone.
6)Make sure your trucks are super loose and slowly start to put your front wheels back on the ground. Kind of drag/slide/skim your front wheels on the ground back and forth.
7)As you start to put your front wheels on the ground, simultaneously bring your back foot off of the tail and put it over the trucks.
8)Whenever you think you’ve lost the feeling, start tacking again and the body motion will come back.
9)Do this for a while and then move to a slalom or longboard. Get going a medium speed and then start doing the tacking motion with your body even though all your wheels are on the ground. If it feels impossible at first, go back to tacking on the shortboard to get the feeling again.
10)Keep this in mind: It’s easier to begin pumping when you’re already going a medium speed. If you’re going to slow, it will be very difficult. If you’re going to fast, you will be slowing yourself down.
11)Your front foot is leading your back foot by a split second. You initiate the turn with your front foot and finish the pump with your back foot.
12)Another extremely helpful exercise is to isolate EACH FOOT.
13)Get off your skateboard and stand on the ground. Stand on your back foot only and swing your front leg back and forth like you’re kicking a soccer ball. Pretend you’re a soccer player or field goal kicker warming up. Swing your leg back and forth. This is by far the best exercise for learning this technique.
14)Now get back on your slalom board, get going a medium speed, and start swinging your front foot back and forth like you’re warming up to kick the field goal. You should start to propel yourself a little. Don’t over swing or over tilt your ankle because you will slow yourself down. Keep it TIGHT and QUICK. Swing your leg more than you tilt your ankle.
15)Now repeat that exercise with your back leg. Get off your skateboard again, stand on your front foot and start swinging your back leg back and forth (field goal kicker). Get back on the skateboard, don’t even move or think about moving your front foot, and start swinging your back foot back and forth, TIGHT and QUICK.
16)isolate and practice each leg by itself. After a while you will start to notice that the swinging of your back leg follows the swinging of your front leg a split second later. It’s as if your back leg is falling into formation right after your front leg. Front foot LEADS, back foot FOLLOWS.
17)Another good exercise is to stand on the ground, hold your arms out at your sides, and twist your torso back and forth. This is how your upper body moves when you’re propelling yourself. Your legs just fall into place.
I hope this has helped you and other skaers learn this technique. It took me a while to get it, but once I did, my skateboard control grew by leaps and bounds.
Email me and let me know if this works or helps.
Peace,
Jesse
and further more....blah blah blah...
Dan Gesmer has a great description of how to pump called "power turning aka gryrating aka pumping". I asked him to post it. He is at seismicsk8.com. First things first. I like my wheels to stick out from the board at least 1/2 and inch and slightly wider for GS boards. I do not like radiused wheels for sliding in a race course, though for just cruising downhill they are fine. A straight edged wheel will grab much harder in a slide and resume traction much quicker when brought out of the slide, this is like putting the brakes late in a turn but intensely so you spend less time braking and more time going forward which translates into a faster run. Inside radiused wheels can break into a slide which can be abrupt and hard to halt. I saw some people ar the West LA College course go into a slide and actually end up backwards because they could not stop the slide.
As for the arm movements I would like to reduce the my amount of arm movement. All turning should come from the waist down. Any twisting of the torso is counter productive. The one area where this logic gets tossed out is when you are trying to pump from a slow speed. Pumping gives you speed anhd you can pump on flat ground and even up a hill without ever touching your feet to the ground. With practice you can pump 10mph or more- even over 20mph. It is tiring and it can be a whole body movement or you can isolate different parts of your body to pump.
I used to pump for about 2 miles non stop on the Night skates in Boston and pump on and off again for the other 14 miles. If you switch body parts to pump from time to time you can reduce fatigue.
The basic concept is similar to that of the locomotion of a snake. The front foot and rear foot are turning slightly out of phase. When you are turning right with your front foot your back foot is "pushing" the board laterally left and vice versa. There are several different styles of pumping as well. See Chris' pumping video and martins pumping video on chrischaput.com. The Karate chop analogy is a good one as the hand strike should coincide with apex of the turn to load the wheels with extra weight to gain traction when they need it the most. The Italians use this like crazy.
Pumping really confuses spectators as they can not figure out where the speed is coming from. I do not know of any other sport where you can generate speed "mysteriously" like this.
In the movie "Freewheeling" you can see many differennt pumping styles in effect. Vince Turner, Bob Turner's brother uses a knees together technique with a very static uppper body with arm movements. Stacey Peralta uses the technique favored by the Swiss slalomers using his front foot for steering and riding on the ball of the rear foot for accenting power and traction to the wheels at the apex of the turn. This enables Stacey to ride a very narrow board and truck and wheel combo which is advantageous for the both tight slalom and very offset courses. Henry Hester used a very powerful hip and ankle driven technique- really good for steep courses and for courses that require stop and go braking. Bobby Piercy uses a modified ski technique effective for both quick turning in mogul skiing and skateboard slalom where his feet are nearly parallel and he steps and counter puches from foot to foot. You will notice that Bobby's navel is almost perfectly stationary and just floats in a straight line over the shortest average distance between the cones- while his knees jet from side to side. Almost all of Bobby's quick action comes from the ankles and knees. His hands only serve to stabilize his insanely high speed movements and generate no downforce ,he tries to keep his hand positioning lower to maintain a low center of gravity. This also allows his to use his hands for balance when he drives his hips wide to either the left or right to make an offset gate. The Europeans now feel the surf style stance is fastest, but still some ride parallel stance- I still am not sure which is faser. In a course that gets tight I will change from surf style to a parallel stance while riding and back again if the course opens up.
Jani Soderhall 7 time slalom champ of Sweden 3 time world champion- uses Stacy Peralta's stance coupled with a rotary swinging of the arms which coincides with the apex of each turn- this gives him almost unlimited traction for heavily offset gates and affords him the needed balance when he displaces his body far to the right or left. Indeed so of the still photos of him show him in nearly impoossible positions with is body nearly lateral and bent in an extreme stetched s shape. Truly amazing to watch. I can't get into those positions when supporting myself on a couch! No wonder his girlfriend never leaves him! Jani's style allows him very fast acceleration from a near standstill and the ability to do super offset tight cones. I do not know how this works at very high speeds, but it looks good. You can hear the Urethane tearing at the pavement when he rides. The Italians ride in a crouched position with a rasied heel and their bodies span abruptly from turn to turn. They appear to make "Z" turns from cone to cone and are very fast as a result. They ride super hard 95a or harder wheels and narrow tall trucks (very high cg) and stiff and narrow boards with kicktails. They ride boards by Indiana skates. I would not reccomend this style to a beginner. Very few people have figured out how they do it. The Latvians and Estonians use a lot of hand swinging, more than other skaters- most likely because they train on flat ground only and have to accelerate as quickly as possible.
The Russians ride with an aggressive forward stance and strain at the neck to drag the rest of the body forward. Dan Gesmer has seen this and could comment.
To learn how to pump well you should be good at pumping with each joint. So once you have figured out how to pump -try pumping using just your ankles, then pump using just your knees, then just your torso, then just your arms, and then just your hips. When you recombine all of them again you will be able to go much faster- it just requires identifing your weakness and fixing them.
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What Next?
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On 3/25/2003
mike maysey
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1) Where does the power actually derive from in the pump?
For me...power comes from a downward motion that I use to drive my board into the ground when I bend my knees quickly and allow my body to sort of fall and load up the board. As I do this, I can ankle my board so that the deck catches my falling weight and flexes. I hold through the turn as long as I need to and push down against the board until I completely pump through the turn. At this point my body is totally unweighted and just sort of coasting until I bend my knees again and start it over again.
I have seen guys who use their arms, who don't really use their arms, etc generate some really powerful pumps.
To my recollection, the fastest guys utilize a lot of upper body motion. Here's a good example. I raced at Shoreline on Sunday. I hadn't been riding any flatland slalom for quite a while. After racing for a few hours, the next morning my sorest body parts were my shoulders. I swing my arms a lot when trying to generate speed. So does Gary Holl who beat me 3 out of 4 runs on Sunday.
2) How much of a role does equipment play in allowing the rider to pump harder and faster? I learned to pump on a road Rider Tranist--a snappy, thin deck, very easy to ride.
Equipment plays a big role. Get yourself a stiffer ride and good wheels. Also get some trucks made for slalom.
3) When looking at videos, I see top riders use their arms in a motion that is seemingly side-to-side--like a pendelum, however, I have found that the only way I can pump is to adapt the physics used by a toy from the 80's called a Roller Racer. So, my body moves more in a rotational motion, around my pelvis. Throwing in arm movement is VERY uncomfortable with this motion. Is this just a comfort thing, that will just change with practice? or do have the rotational motion thing just all wrong?
I think you answered your own questions....you should actually try to adapt your skating somewhat to someone you know or can skate with who has a good technique and try to do what they do. Don't worry, you won't start skating like them because your interpretation of what they're doing won't look anything like them. I skated with Paul Dunn almost all last season and we skate very different. I learned from watching him and trying o do what he was doing. As I learned what worked best for me, I began to change it to fit and feel better for me. That's where I am now. I've actually been concentrating on my arms much more lately than ever. I'm trying to make my motions equal from side to side. i feel that if I can do this that my pump will not be one sided but a balance of power from my heelside to my toeside.
Is that long winded blather or what?
Hope it helps...email me direct if I haven't helped.
See you at the Lake...
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Play?
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On 3/25/2003
mike maysey
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Rene-
i used to play the trumpet. Recently, I've been thinking of picking it back up again so I could play for some ska band or maybe a swing band.
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Dust and Bearings
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On 3/24/2003
Pat Chewning
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You can clean your bearings when they get full of grit. Take a look at the instructions for maintaining bearings at:
http://www.edsbearings.com/faqbearings.html
Ed's Bearings (Pleasure Tool Bearings) are a great value. Many people buy both sealed and sheilded bearings then reassemble the bearings so that the inside surface has the sheild and the outside surface has the seal. This supposedly gives a good compromise of speed and resistance to grit. I am with Mike though, I can't tell the difference amongst the many types of bearings, except for price and the difference between clean vs dirty bearings.
My recommendation: Buy the best "value" of bearings, get a cleaning kit, and occasionally clean them.
-- Pat
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Back to pumping
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On 3/24/2003
matt (vasocreta)
wrote in from
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This past week I was in FL, and things sort of clicked. Then, WA-LA, I was pumping!! What a great feeling.
Now, after 4 days of pumping in FL, I came to a road block: I have no idea what to do next! What I mean by this is that I am clueless as to what I need to do differently in order to generate significant power from those pumps. Perpetual motion is great, but it is not really all that good at only 4-6 miles per hour.
So my questions:
1) Where does the power actually derive from in the pump? I have seen guys who use their arms, who don't really use their arms, etc generate some really powerful pumps.
2) How much of a role does equipment play in allowing the rider to pump harder and faster? I learned to pump on a road Rider Tranist--a snappy, thin deck, very easy to ride.
3) When looking at videos, I see top riders use their arms in a motion that is seemingly side-to-side--like a pendelum, however, I have found that the only way I can pump is to adapt the physics used by a toy from the 80's called a Roller Racer. So, my body moves more in a rotational motion, around my pelvis. Throwing in arm movement is VERY uncomfortable with this motion. Is this just a comfort thing, that will just change with practice? or do have the rotational motion thing just all wrong?
Sorry that this is so lengthy, but I am trying to get good so that one day I can race Mike Maysey! :-)
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Paleontolic melodies
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On 3/23/2003 W. Tucker
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Ummmm, The Blue Velvets?
Oh, I bet you mean CCR?
(Even McCarthyites like a little acid with their vitriol now and then.)
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Hey Joe
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On 3/23/2003 slappy
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The Leaves version can be found on THE essential box set "Nuggets: Original Artyfacts From The First Psychedelic Era"
The set would be better classified now as garage rock than psychedelic. It is a MUST have for any collection.
It has classics like "Pushin' Too Hard" by the Seeds, "Psychotic Reaction" by Count Five. The reissue has an additional fourth disc with popular stuff like "Wooly Bully" and "Louie Louie".
The Golliwogs are also on it...Who can name the moniker this group became famous under?
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The Leaves.....@ The Bandbox !
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On 3/22/2003
Rene' Carrasco
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Mike-
I dug the Leaves. In 1966 they played here-Garden Grove, at "The Bandbox" which was a shack in front of an Orange Grove @ Chapman & Harbour Blvd; Sorta like the
"Doll Hut" of it's time - small place but packed with people when bands played.
The bands were introduced by Sherrif Dillenbaugh, who was always tucking in his shirt - he was a big guy.
Trippy huh?
BTW - the Indian was my favorite in the Leaves.
Mike -Do you play in a band or instruments?
I think skateboarding and music go great together.
...............-Rene' Carrasco.
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Biker
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On 3/22/2003
Mike Maysey
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I think Biker also owns or co-owns Dregs...which would mean he has another job as a business owner...so Biker also has a regular job.
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Hey Joes
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On 3/22/2003
Mike Maysey
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Hey Joe - Introduction
"Hey Joe", a traditional song performed by many artists. Sometimes credited to Billy Roberts. Sometimes credited to Chet (or Chester) Powers a.k.a. Jesse Oris Farrow, née Dino Valente
who became the lead singer of Quicksilver Messenger Service.
The first group to record "Hey Joe" was the Surfaris in 1965. In 1965 "Hey Joe" was recorded by The Leaves as well. In 1966 they recorded it again with a fuzztone guitar sound. Also the Byrds, Love, Shadows of Night, Warlocks and many other bands recorded the song in 1966.
A Japanese group called the Golden Cups recorded a version in 1966 that adapted the song to different cultural standards.
Tim Rose recorded "Hey Joe" in 1966, one month before the Leaves' version entered the charts. Rose played the song at less than half the tempo. He changed the key of the song to E instead of A. Rose also roared out the verses, and added his own variant on their structure.
Jimi Hendrix picked up this version of "Hey Joe" and made a European hit out of it in 1967.
Since then many other great guitar players have performed this song.
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