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| Q&A: Slalom Pro Mike Maysey (2489 Posts)
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SF Today
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On 4/6/2003 Judi
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Mike sorry we missed skating with you guys. Had a sick boy I had to take care of all night. I didn't want to leave him until I knew he was better. Did the original plan A. We'd like to come up another weekend. See you in Paso. Gary I couldn't get through on your cell to let you know we changed plans.
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Gathering vs SF Gravity
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On 4/6/2003
Brady
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Maria,
Unfortunately that makes sense. As slalom gets more popular, event scheduling is going to have conflicts. But since the slalom thing is being tied to the gravity thing, I can see how it would be difficult to reschedule it. You guys have a ball out there and I`ll try have fun up north/east.
Regards, Brady
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The Gathering or San Francisco Gravity Fest?
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On 4/6/2003
Maria C.
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Just wanted to say -- the date for the SF Gravity Fest Slalom Challenge *unfortunately* is the same weekend as the Gathering. Since the Gravity Fest is the main event at which we have been invited to run a slalom event -- so for us there wasn't a choice in the matter as that is when the festival is happening. Not meant to slight anyone or any other previously scheduled event for sure. Just didn't want a good opportunity for slalom to go unclaimed -- so there we are.
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The Gathering or San Francisco Gravity Fest?
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On 4/6/2003
mike maysey
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Since you ask Brady, I'm staying here in California. That race is gonna be right down 101 from my house. I'll be able to practice there a bunch before the race.
Sorry, maybe next year...that is if I can find someone to help sponsor me for travel...
Mike
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Paso
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On 4/6/2003
mike maysey
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Yeah Eli, you can hang in the 'pro' division. See you on the hill. You should have practiced with us in the Presidio today...we set a Paso-like course. Lemme be the first to say, this format (given we set it properly, or close) is fun!!! There's going to be some interesting stuff going on at the beginning and the end of the pass through gates. Lane choice will be essential.
See ya in Paso.
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Will the real Mike Maysey please stand up?
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On 4/6/2003
Brady
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Hey Mike,
I just noyiced your name on the SF eveny as well as the Gathering. Kinda hard to be on opposite coasts at the same time, wouldn`t ya think?
Ant idea why they chose that date when the Gathering has been planned since like months ago? Maybe it`s a typo and they meant the weekend after?
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paso
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On 4/5/2003
smouse
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mike i am thinking about racing pro in paso. i heard you have seen the hill it will be on i was wondering if you thinki have what it takes?
watch out im bringing my leathers and aero helmet to make sure i break 25!
but really i think i might have a shot.
am i crazy, well i mean should i try racing with the big kids?
thanks bro. i am driving down with Jody fri night, wont be there till late but ill see you sat morn.
peace
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GGP
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On 4/5/2003 Judi
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Hut and I will be there.
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GGP
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On 4/5/2003
Judi
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I can get e mail's but not send any. He has my cell on Victoria's phone.
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GGP
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On 4/5/2003 Judi
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Mike can you ask Gary to get a hold of me. Hut and I will come up if we get a time and place for tomorrow.
Thanks.
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clean wheels
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On 4/5/2003 JG
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Ed Economy's shirt always works for me- no soap residue.
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NO SOAP ON RACE DAY!
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On 4/4/2003
Wesley Tucker
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If you want to clean your wheels on race day, try the following:
Get a green Scotch Scobie pad and some water. Wet the pad and scrub the wheel.
DO NOT USE SOAP, solvents or any other cleanser. Unless you have the means to completely rinse and wipe down a wheel, then stay away from soap. And of course, what are the odds of having all the necessary accessories for a wheel cleaning while sitting on the side of the a dusty road in the middle of no place waiting for your turn at the starting line? A small container of water and a scobie, though, will take care of 99% of road dust and dirt. It will even scrub away some soft tar and bubble gum.
Why the prohibition on soap and solvents? Think about it: if you don't get your wheel 100% rinsed, then you're looking at a pretty well lubricated slick spot on your wheel. Not a good way to make a sharp turn at high speeds!
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cleaning
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On 4/4/2003
hg
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I'd avoid solvents. Soap and water with a good rinse seems to yield the best results, though this would be somewhat challenging on race day. It might be worthwhile to experiment with baby wipes, using a damp towel to remove any residual soap.
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Wheel Cleaner
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On 4/4/2003
mike maysey
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HG, next time I'll have a rag that I can wipe my wheels down with after each run, especially if the surface is super hot. Would just a rag work or should I use some sort of solvent to clean the wheels between runs?
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traction
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On 4/4/2003
hg
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Urethane is actually quite absorbant, and the greater heat may have caused the wheels to aborb more dust and road junk as the day went along, effectively reducing grip. Also, because you have to exert more force to steer the wheels, a portion of the force is downward, but a portion is sideways, and this serves to reduce traction. I suspect the larger board will make a difference. Also, as has been noted here before, cleaning the wheels during the course of the day may help as well.
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Avilas
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On 4/4/2003
mike maysey
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HG,
It was simply the fact that I hadn't had enough time on those wheels to know how to set up my board with them and make them work as well as Avalons.
It's interesting to note...that the Avilas hooked up pretty wheel early in the day, when the surface was still cool. As the day got warmer, the surface got hot and that's when the wheels would no longer stay stuck. Maybe it I had some softer ones to stick on it would have been a different story. I know Sherman was riding the 76's as was Mike Gorman. Neither one of those guys slid a wheels the entire time they raced...or so they claimed.
I was watching a stock car race the other day and they were mentioning that in qualifying the weather was cool so the track was more grippy, on the day of the race it was different. Temperatures had climbed to something like 15-20 degrees warmer than they had been in quals. All the drivers interveiwed were complaining of not enough traction. It's weird because, I always thought a hot surface was MORE grippy than a cool one...I found out the opposite! I guess there's a range in there somewhere where you'll get optimal performance out of a softer wheel or harder wheel.
At Morro Bay I rode soft wheels...80's and ran pretty fast. Morro Bay was a cool overcast day, if memory serves. At Avila, I ran 80's in back and 78's in front...that was a great setup!! I didn't slide around those crazy offsets at the top of the course and was able to carry speed through the bottom of the course. I don't remember what the weather was like at Avila, but I bet the surface was not HOT.
That's an interesting point you make about the board I was riding. I think it was in fact too narrow I think for me to be able to exert the kind of force I needed to exert on them to keep them contacted with the road. I was riding a GS/Hybrid...the one I rode at the Presidio last year. I know the tail was WAY too narrow for me to get the leverage I needed over the tail. I had to have my foot way back with the ball of my foot over the rear truck bolt cluster, instead of just having my heel over the front two bolts on my back truck like I usually do.
I haven't given up on them though, I'd like to try some 76's and 80's on a new 34"x9" deck I just ordered from Vince. It should look sorta kinda like a longer and slightly wider in the (diamond) tail FatBoy.
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some quick calculations
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On 4/4/2003
hg
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With Avalons at 68mm/150gm vs Avilas at 75mm/250gm, kinetic energy = 1/2 * mass * radius (squared) * angular velocity (squared). So at a given rotational speed, the kinetic energy of the Avila is double that of the Avalon, meaning that it takes twice as much torque to change the direction of the Avilas as the Avalons at the same speed. Because the rotational energy increases with the square of the velocity, it takes 4 times as much torque to turn the Avilas at 20mph as it does at 10mph, or 8 times the torque to turn Avilas at 20mph as it takes to turn Avalons at 10mph. With a wider and/or longer board, you've essentially extended the lever arm which gives you the additional torque you need to overcome a portion of these forces.
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blowouts
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On 4/4/2003
hg
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Mike - Sorry I didn't stick around for Sunday at Elsinore, because this was only the 2nd race where Avila's had been used, and I would have liked to collect more feedback. If I understand correctly, the problem you encountered was difficulty in keeping the wheels in the course around large offsets once they were fully up-to-speed. We saw a similar thing happen with Paul Dunn at JPL where he managed to hang in the course his first run, but blew out toward the bottom on his last two runs.
I believe the issue is with the greater rotational mass of these wheels in comparison to the Avalons - it takes a LOT more leverage to overcome the gyroscopic effects of the rotation, and at speed, you may not have enough leverage on a smaller board to exert the necessary force. These wheels were actually designed for use with larger boards - 36"-42" in particular, although they felt good on a 30" board. However, even in my test runs on a 30" at Paso at my modest speeds, I got the sense of a different kind of resistant force in the turns, and I suspect that is what caused your difficulties at Elsinore.
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more tape and switch action
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On 4/4/2003 Henry J
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If I could design a starting system from the ground up, it would go like this-
Both riders are on start ramps. We'll focus on one rider for now. In front of the rider (we'll call him Mike) is a start wand, just like the ones you see in ski races. Both racers are set, so Ed E starts the countdown- you hear 3 rapid beeps and a long one, just like the existing fcr system. Time starts on the 4th beep for both riders. If the wand is tripped BEFORE the 4th beep, a loud ugly noise would emit from the speakers telling you that you false started. This way you can get a sweet pull off of the ramp, and not worryb about merry-go-rounding the gate.
Now, for single lane racing, you could use he same system for just one person.
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Tape Switches and Wands
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On 4/4/2003
mike maysey
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Wesley, neither notify of false starts...however a tape switch cannot miss unless you don't roll over it. Wands need to be bashed...and nobody, I mean nobody has the 'muscle' to push open those gate doors. The magnets that hold them shut do so with some huge force that not even Hackett could break.
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SC Hills
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On 4/4/2003
mike maysey
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Miko, email me direct...about this weekend.
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Blow out
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On 4/4/2003
mike maysey
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John, when I blow out of a course like I did on my last run at Elsinore...there isn't a damn thing I can do about it. On that particular run, I plowed something like 4 or 5 cones trying to regain my line. I will hang in the course as long as I can but in that case I had to pull out because I was afraid for my safety since I was straightening my line so much by plowing those cones.
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Avilas
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On 4/4/2003
mike maysey
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Yeah David, I'm gonna save my Avilas for my speedboard...maybe I'll get some more at some point and cut them down, but for now...I'm gonna stick to Avalons.
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Soft wheels
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On 4/4/2003
mike maysey
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I've never felt that 75-78 were too soft. I've ridden 75-78 and haven't experienced the slither you mention. They just skate differently than harder wheels...to me anyway.
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sol 16
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On 4/4/2003 ad
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any body know if the mbs sol 16 has any non aluminium or stainless steel parts i was thinking of getting one to use on the beach with a kite but need somthing that wont rust.
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