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roe ldp
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On 7/3/2006 Erin
wrote in from
United States
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I actually like to wedge my CX's on the front and dewedge slightly on the rear. As for hardware, I get most of mine a fastener wholesale place.
Have fun with the new board!
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settin' up the Roe LDP
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On 7/3/2006
Kris
wrote in from
United States
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Happy/proud to say I ordered a Roe LDP deck today. I will be setting it up with Carver CX trucks (the front & rear combo) and Avilas- 77a in the front and 73a in the rear.
My questions are about the riser pads. My understanding for the front is 1.5" plus a shock pad, no angled wedging. Is this correct. For the rear, I know I should de-wedge, but how much?...One single 1/2 inch angled riser? 2 of them? And should I use a shock pad?
Also, any tips on hardware? Where can I find bolts long enough? Skateshop or the hardware store?
Thanks in advance.
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seattle distance ride on the 4th!
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On 7/2/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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The Astoria bridge was a no-go, so Trevor was forced to shoot down to the Longview bridge and still made great time, he's in Centralia tonight, and will stay either in Tacoma or North Seattle tomorrow night, depending on whether his legs are cookin or not. Either way it looks like a 4th of July ride with him on some Seattle/north-of-Seattle stretch, anyone who's game for riding alongside a short stint drop a line!! pavedwave@comcast.net
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mexico to canada progress
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On 7/1/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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update on Trevor doing the Mex-to-Canada trip -- he's making great time and expecting to be rolling through Seattle July 4th! drop a line if you can push or pump a few miles...
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in beat weiner
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On 7/1/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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We'll be doing a lot of weekenders and keep you updated -- to keep on the 'ride' list just shoot a mail to pavedwave@comcast.net -- hoping to work a Vanc BC trip in as well! The one in-betweener "event" we were talking about was originally July 15/16 but if it happens I think it will be late July or mid-August now. Keep in touch!
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In-betweener idea
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On 6/29/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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How about the weekend before the MS skate, an 'inbetweener'. Could be on the Centennial Trail. And preferrably not a totaly crack-o-dawn start time.
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Inbetweener
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On 6/29/2006
Marc
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There was talk of a LDP event in between the solstice and the MS skate. Any word on when?
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ms skate - last early registration spam
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On 6/29/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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spam is good. its salty and it makes you want to drink more beer.
registration by June 30th is $35, goes up after that!
http://www.active.com/event_detail.cfm?event_id=1339955
Ravn - berlin weather sounds a lot like seattle, we never know how it'll turn out but in general the summers are perfect. when its nice its realllly nice here. the MS Skate happens rain or shine - although its usually been nice that weekend! if its not, we'll all pull our bearings out at the end and throw 'em in a jar of motor oil :-)
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Re: skate berlin
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On 6/28/2006
Ravn
wrote in from
Germany
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Be all very welcome.. Berlin is good all year round, spring or summer is probably the safest bet for skating - the climate is semi-continental, i.e. rather dry, with moderate temperatures around 0°C in winter and 25°C in summer. The weather is usually quite stable for periods of several days (applies to rain, sunshine and murky weather equally). But you cannot really predict if its dry or wet at any given time. Highest elevation in the area is 115m.
@tarin: That's nice to know that there are some LDPers so close by.. Send me a mail when you come to Berlin. Did you know that there is even a bike trail from Copenhagen to Berlin? Unfortunately it's declared that it is not paved all the way, but I usually skate up and down the last bit for training.
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marathon v sprint
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On 6/27/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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PMG, as for the slalom and LDP, two different worlds, but very symbiotic. If you're really into targeting your racing game, I'd definately get disciplined on as many challenging offset and tight courses as possible, and as fast as possible -- i.e., ride with people faster than you and use a timer. I don't train for slalom to be heavily competitive, its more for the brotherhood and having fun. Have learned a TON about the right gear and many pumping forms from it, but there are definately pumps that are new discoveries to LDP. I round slalom out with downhill carving, bombing, pool shredding, skurfing and boardwalking -- but the vast majority of my time commuting and pumping trails. The turns on un-coned trails don't have to be so precise, but still very rhythmic and GROOVY. Like Derek said its training for a whole different set of muscles. The one benefit that LDP carries over to slalom is I can keep running up the hill all day and keep charging it, where most of the slalom crew is done after a few hours. But if perfecting the perfect line through the cones and precision turns is really your end goal, keep running cones, clean!! (and fast will follow)
p.s. -- Just heard from Trevor a.k.a. "deciduoustea" he's in Newport OR right now! Ya know, all these benefits-- Cornwaithe's ride across Australia, Push for the Cure, etc.. I really dig it -- and I'd love to quit my Dilbert job and do 'em, but what I can feasibly manage are the weekend-warrior charity rides so I'll have to stay local most the time and support and cheer on you lucky young punks with the pre-family scheduling freedoms!! ROCK ON!!!
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ldp excursions
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On 6/27/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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Trying to catch up after a screaming downhill weekend in Salem, would be great to see even half of these worldly LDP plans come together!! I'm sure the family would be into Euro vacation but depends heavily on funding. I'm planning a 3-week December excur$ion to Tokyo and will hook up with Adam and whoever else from outdoorjapan, and some Murasaki guys, to pump the Tama River trail and freak out the natives. Japan, anyone!?
Ravn cool to see you here! With an LDP nirvana in your backyard you must be getting in really decent shape. Hopefully you can try out some snappy light deck, I think you'll find a whole new source of power with programmed flex. Gareth and I carved up the slalom hill in Salem this weekend on the latest PS38" Crossfire -- it ripped!! Tried it with Holeys for just carving and the SplitFire trucks for pumping speed down the hill. The Holeys are really wide for long surfy carves, gotta test them more I suppose... I'm getting spoiled with the loose and responsive SplitFires, point the nose and quickly shoots carves in that direction.
I still favor forward stance for pumping medium speeds and uphills, but its when moving fast that the flex from the center of the deck really returns energy and speeds up every pump. I start up front, then slide stance toward the back as the ride progresses and accelerates, pump the deck harder in the middle, then forward again, back again-- with the tunes on its almost like a meditation 2-3 hours a day. I find getting dialed into your music the most important, relaxing thing - the swinging arms, your foot arches, stance, cadence -- all takes care of itself.
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pump around the world...
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On 6/27/2006 eric
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hmm..what if someone organized a pump around the world for charity tour? just a thought.
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wow
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On 6/27/2006
tarin
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Denmark
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that looks amazing! ravn, im gonna come down and check it out one of these days.. berlin is such a short distance from copenhagen!
if there's a ldp tour next spring or summer, you guys should make sure to pass through here as well.
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ldp tour
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On 6/27/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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We should really plan our 1st annual ldp tour for this destination. Yes, Spring or Summer 2007!
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skate berlin
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On 6/27/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
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good god-
that looks like heaven!
i have to come over there and check that trail out. it sounds absolutely amazing. what time of the year is the best time to visit over there? this could be a blast of a ride in spring or summer of 2007...
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lost link
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On 6/27/2006
Ravn
wrote in from
Germany
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Hmm.. the board ate the first link in my message - sorry:
Click here for link, English summary available but unfortunately not linkable. Just click on the small US/UK flag on the main page.
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skate track
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On 6/27/2006
Ravn
wrote in from
Germany
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I thought the world cup has been in Are this year.. oh, I see, you're talking of soccer now. ;) You can have that world up, if I am to keep the trail.
If anyone of you happen to be in Berlin sometime, don't forget your LDP board and visit
Click here for link - PDF map overview of the trails
Oh, and drop me a note when you do.. I'd like to join in. :)
I've just done two of the small circle tracks today, but it's so amazing. (I couldn't stop after the first one and got foot-ache in the second) The asphalt has been specifically designed for skate wheels.. it's like flying through the summer fields.
What did I notice..? I still think that the board could have a lighter tail. I think that my foot-ache results partly from hauling that heavy tail around.. (besides being generally an unusual movement.) I alternated stances, and still prefer to stand quite far in front. And a few arm movements just came in naturally when climbing hills. But that's probably all old news for you.. ;)
I think I need to try another deck sometime..
(thanks, Marc.)
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97 km of butter smooth pavement!!!
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On 6/27/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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97 km of butter smooth ashphalt, no cars. Wow, that'd make it worth taking a trip over to you neck of the woods Ravn!
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biltin bearings?
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On 6/27/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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yay or nay for ldp? Do they make any difference?
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Ravn
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On 6/27/2006 Marc
wrote in from
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If you need the tierney bushings give Kurt Tierney a call and he will send you some. As for the weight of the tierney, the deck is light. What is heavy is those MONSTER wheels.
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distance vs slalom
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On 6/27/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
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hey PMG-
james peters probably has some good stuff to offer here, since he's done extensive training both in slalom and in LDP. but here's my take...
long distance training builds your body's ability to process energy efficiently, while sprinting builds your power. you can see this if you look at the different body types of bulky sprinters vs. scrawny marathoners.
if you do a lot of distance training, your quickness typically tends to decline and your ability to jump is affected. those springy muscles come in handy in stuff like slalom. i would think that it's fine to do a bit of both disciplines from time to time, but if you are set on training for a specific event, the bulk of your time would be best spent focused on that.
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97 km!?!?!
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On 6/27/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
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hey ravn-
not only do you get the world cup, but a big smooth bike trail as well... sounds like a dream ride you are going on this afternoon. looking forward to hearing how that ride goes!
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Re: Derek & Marc
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On 6/26/2006
Ravn
wrote in from
Germany
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Thanks derek,
I guess the Tierney is rather heavy when you compare it to a Roe - plus it has got a rather wide tail, adding extra weight in the back. That could be a reason why it does not really feel unstable with that stance.
But I will have the opportunity to do a little more experimenting today.. there's an inline skate marathon track (up to 97km of dead flat butter smooth asphalt - woo!) in the area which I will pay a visit to in the afternoon. I have been riding a lot across town and on bike trails where the tarmac/pavement is not so great, and I guess that moving on a better surface will also allow for the faster gears (and stances) to work better. I wasn't able to cater for music yet, though - I probably got to hum a tune myself while riding..
@Marc: The trucks are in my gear box currently.. I have run out of bushings and have to order some more sometime.. Do you mean black bushing or black torsion ring? I've got a truck with these large bushing blocks and haven't found any information on available durometers on the tierney website or elsewhere.
I haven't pumped a lot on the Tierney yet.. but if it pumps, I will definitely try it. :)
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RE: Ravn
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On 6/26/2006
Marc
wrote in from
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I am new to LDP as well. I have a little bit more experience in Slalom but not much there either. I found that with Slalom you place your feet in a way that faces your body forward, but in LDP I found it is better to stand sideways (like you would on a Tierney). I can get more powerful pumps out of it that way.
On another note, what did you put your tierney trucks on if they arent on the T-001? And, have you tried pumping the Tierney? It is fun with the black bushing.
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Marathon pumping vs. Sprint pumping?
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On 6/26/2006
PMG
wrote in from
United States
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When I go out and pump not only am I doing it to keep in shape, but my main reason is to practice for slalom races. While it’s best to practice slalom using cones, I rarely set up cones when I am skating by myself because I am too lazy and it takes too much set-up time.
If I pump to practice for slalom races is it best to pump for long distances or would it be better to pump as fast as I can for short distances? Marathon pumping vs. Sprint pumping?
When I pump for long distances to build my stamina I try stay a relaxed and as loose as possible and use only the necessary energy required to keep myself moving forward.
If I am only looking to improve my racing skills which method should I use?
PMG
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