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On 7/30/2006
tarin
wrote in from
Denmark
(82.143.nnn.nnn)
hey james, what are man purses? same thing as fanny packs?
ravn, how does carrying a briefcase support your groove? i need to see a video of that. i really dont like riding with anything on my body or in my hands at all! though sometimes i'll have a bottle in my leading hand (great for taking a fashionable swig while cruising in to a stop at a red light).
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roe ldp
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On 7/30/2006
tarin
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(88.212.nnn.nnn)
i know what you mean about power and generating speed on a stiff downhill board, kris.. i received my roe ldp deck a week ago and have been surprised at how different it feels from my old deck (sector 9 flexy cloud 9). its so wide in the front, and the flex of the board absorbs a lot of the torque im habitually trying to put into it. im learning that its much easier to ride by swinging my hips than by using raw power, but that i cant get the same top speeds in the same way.
its also definitely harder work going up inclines on this board, my old board had a slight nose so i could just wedge my foot into it and up-we-go .. but its not impossible. i climbed a bridge yesterday and on the way back across it, lost power toward the top. on my old board, i would have been rather stuck and would have likely needed to give a push or two, but on the ldp deck, could keep creaking up it, albeit rather slowly.
also.. do you guys tighten your stomach muscles a lot while riding? pumping has been great for my abs.. i havent had a six-pack in years! i tighten my abdomen a lot when im going up a hill.
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groove is in the heart
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On 7/28/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey kris-
man- you got a song for every post topic! i dig it :)
you gotta be ridin' with an mp3 player, yeah? it sounds like you're going out on some nice long rides...
post something up when you figure out the uphill stuff, will ya? i haven't put much time into it, but i've had a little trouble with pumping it up the steeper inclines myself. but that just might just be laziness- i'm enjoying the challenge of the flatland mile right now, and the roe board is a dream for that.
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Ch-ch-ch-ch-changes
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On 7/28/2006 Kris
wrote in from
United States
(69.108.nnn.nnn)
It has been SO hot here lately, so I havent been able to experiment as much as I would have liked. But it finally cooled down today, and I was able to put an hour and a half in, pumping around downtown. I am finding that the power is becoming easier to generate than I previously thought- just a matter of intuitively feeling it out. I'm still unable to pump uphill like I could before, but I think that will come next. I don't want to seem like I was complaining about the board. I think articulating the challenges here helped me fix it and find the groove when I skated today. Ha! Like pumping psychotherapy. I'll try to keep my posts shorter from here on...Thanks for your input Derek. You're right, there do seem to be countless possibilities, and the shape and flex allow you switch smoothly.
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roe ldp
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On 7/28/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey kris-
i know what you mean about adjusting to the roe ldp. i had been riding a modified insect big bug, and when i switched over i found that my main pumping forms didn't translate to the new board. i think it took a few weeks to find the deeper grooves on that thing- it's like learning a new language or something.
i found myself moving back toward the center of the board, just like you. i think one of the cool things about this board is that it offers lots of interesting possibilities for exploring different pumps, and alternating between different forms is super easy.
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The pumps, they are a-changin'
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On 7/28/2006 Kris
wrote in from
United States
(69.230.nnn.nnn)
Prior to pumping the Roe LDP deck w/ CX trucks, I was pumping a 48" 9-ply maple downhill deck, with conventional Gullwing trucks. The deck was stiff and the trucks were not turny. However, I was able to generate a strong pump, and could build up to a fairly ferocious speed by digging in and really torquing into the trucks (probably how I broke kingpins).
Now, with the LDP deck (medium flex) and the Carvers, the feel is much different. It is taking some adjustment to get used to the flex of the deck and the angle of the front trucks. I notice it is MUCH easier to start pumping, including from a complete stop. It is also easier and more fun to sustain a moderate speed. However, I notice it is difficult for me to dig in and generate a powerful, sprint-like pump. It sort of feels like my energy is diffused by the flex of the deck rather than being transferred straight to the trucks. I wonder if the stiff flex would have been better for my 157lbs, since my legs were over-conditioned from the maple deck? I also feel like the rebound from the CX front truck (stock bushings) has less force than the stiffer rebound from the conventional trucks. Again, it feels a little like my energy gets diffused.
Clearly the LDP deck will take me many more miles comfortably, but I find myself burning extra energy trying to find that torque spot. On my previous deck, my front foot was always right over the truck, but now I find myself backing up. A farther-back, wide-leg stance seems to generate some torque, but still seems not to want to "shift from 3rd straight to overdrive."
So...I'm hoping others can offer input on possible stances, body movements, etc., that I may be missing in finding the power spot. Also, any thoughts people have on flex vs. stiffness on this issue, or truck/bushing ideas. The feel of this "sport" is very personal- perhaps spiritual- so I know it is hard to interpret other peoples movements, let alone explain one's own. Still, any thoughts are welcome.
SIde note: James, I enjoyed your article on SIlverfish. So awesome! Needless to say, your journey was Odysean. Your article was also expertly crafted and a pleasure to read.
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tarins pack
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On 7/26/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Packs will definately mess with your spinal cord if there's a laptop in there and you're wiggling around. I used to try with a sport-o type pack, with the chest and hip belts tightened as much as possible, but now I just keep the laptop at work and have a pretty cool remote access thingy set up.
For long rides I typically go with one or two belt/fanny-packs, just big enough to carry extra kingpin, bushings, skate tool, food, even an extra 2 bearings and an axle nut, just in case you lose a wheel. You don't want to get 10 miles out and have something happen where you gotta WALK back!
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On 7/26/2006
Ravn
wrote in from
Germany
(83.121.nnn.nnn)
These days, I really like to carry a briefcase. It only works for not too heavy stuff (laptop, papers, tools), but it even supports my groove, keeps my back ventilated, and looks rad on a longboard.
I usually dont carry heavier stuff while pumping though. If I have to, I place my pack on the board in front of me and push..
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carrying things while pumping
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On 7/26/2006
tarin
wrote in from
Denmark
(80.198.nnn.nnn)
backpacks really mess with my pumping groove. any other suggestions? fanny packs, shoulder bags, those one-shoulder backpacks you see on cyclists? i need to be able to carry things to and from work occasionally and want to stop carrying my backpack if possible.
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berlin
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On 7/24/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
thanks ravn!
sounds like you're setting up quite a tour over there ;)
that's totally cool that there's something like that going on so frequently. we'll have to schedule the trip out to coincide with one of those rides.
i'm watching the airline prices for the spring, and practicing up on my long forgotten deutsch.
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Berlin by Board - Tourist Guide Part II
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On 7/22/2006
Ravn
wrote in from
Germany
(83.121.nnn.nnn)
Derek, erin - Just to keep you stoked, here's the next LDP highlight in Berlin:
Click here for link
The Berlin Parade (not to be confounded with the Love Parade) is an night skate political demonstration (for the rights of skaters*) taking place every other friday at 8p.m. - They run a different ~30km route each time, always along major roads in the city. It always offers a nice touristical city cruise and the feeling of skating Berlin at night is great. An escort of friendly green cops will make sure the roads are closed, average speed is 15 km/h. It's mostly frequented by inline skaters, but a small (but growing) group of longboarders also attends.
This event alternates with the Blade Night Berlin, same kind of thing, but a pure sports event (no political intent, faster average speed, skateboarders not that welcome) where one might also participate. I've only been doing the parade for now though.
*Under German law (and probably elsewhere) skates of all kinds are considered toys, which means that you are considered a pedestrian and have to behave like one: Keep to the sidewalks, do not move faster than a pedestrian can walk. The aim of the demonstration is to allow skating on bike lanes and traffic-calmed roads and to create more skate-able lanes in the city.
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Cup washer / Re: Kris
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On 7/22/2006
Ravn
wrote in from
Germany
(83.121.nnn.nnn)
I am using the vanilla cup washer, for the same reason that it keeps the bushing in place. Interestingly enough, the (front) bushing with the washer is the only one that I haven't managed to tear yet. Usually it's the one which moves directly on top of the baseplate.
I was wondering the other day why there is no flat washer between the baseplate and the bushing - it seems to me that it could save the bushing a bit - has anyone of you tried that out yet?
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indy-style back + randal front?
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On 7/21/2006
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(68.126.nnn.nnn)
Still trying to get my LDP board dialed in right. I know the best solution would be to just fess up the dough for some Carver CX but I want something that will work decently until I get the Carvers (birthday is on the 3rd of Aug, so not long now)
I just got myself some Core 7.0 trucks in a trade and they're essentially an indy style design with a 9.75" axle. I currently have R2 180s (9.625" axle) on the board and was wondering if I should try the board out with a core in the rear and a randal front to get some of the effect of the carvers (turnier front, stable rear). I'm gonna have to jack the back truck up a bit to compensate (randals are TALL!) but hope this will work. anyone have experience with this kind of setup, advice etc would be greatly appreciated
-Julien
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Peters is a monster
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On 7/20/2006
Dave Mitchell
wrote in from
United States
(206.103.nnn.nnn)
James you flippin monster!! STP on a board in 2 days! I'm a little pissed the PDX crew was not forewarned so that we could put on an appropriate welcome at the finish line. Jack Smith has got to talk to you if he does another Skate Across America. Congrats you madman!
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CX bushing washers; toe stop
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On 7/20/2006 Kris
wrote in from
United States
(69.229.nnn.nnn)
Those of you pumping the Carver CX trucks, have you been using the stock cup washers or have you replaced them with flat washers? I don't want to tear up the bushings with the cup washers, but I tend to get drift when I use flat washers...
Also, I've never used a toe stop before. Can someone explain a simple construction? I'll be placing it on the forward-most bolt (toe side, correct?) Thanks...
btw- the Roe LDP arrived today. I am blown away by the deck, as well as the CX/Avila ste-up. I had no idea it would all be this good. I really have been working hard with the other set-up.
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skate track event
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On 7/20/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey all-
i'm in the process of organizing a skate event, tentatively planned to be at marymoor park in redmond, washington on saturday, september 9. for starters, the plan is to have a 400 meter dash, an 800 meter dash, a mile and a 3 mile race- push, pump, or any method of self-propulsion is fair game. it would be great to hear any feedback on what other types of events might be interesting. (hurdles anyone?)
also- just to be on the safe side, i am trying to do this in cooperation with the park system, which is requiring registration, insurance, and all that stuff. i have no idea how many (if any) people would be interested in participating. if you are interested in coming out for this event, please let me know asap, so i can decide if it's even worth it to go through all that trouble.
thanks!
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rocking the big mileages
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On 7/20/2006 Erin
wrote in from
Ireland
(86.43.nnn.nnn)
Hey James, checking up on you from an internet cafe in Ireland today.
Congrats on the big skate. Can't wait to hear more about it....heading over to pavedwave now...
cya next month.
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stp ldp
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On 7/19/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(67.170.nnn.nnn)
congrats james!
those are a couple monster days, back to back. 16.5 hours on the first day alone! i don't know if i could even stay awake that long, let alone ride a skateboard... ;)
nice work conquering some serious terrain, both out on the trail and in your head. i'm looking forward to hearing more about it.
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STP
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On 7/19/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
stryker, i'll post the 204-mile STP ride up on pavedwave soon, it was the most epic ride personally and its taking a few days for recovery!! pumped the Roe LDP everytime i could, and was jazzed that I didn't have to adjust or replace ANYthing over the entire 2 days.
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geezer, i really like the 97mm flywheels on the rolls and don't really use the stock 145mm wheels on that deck now. i prefer the stickiness for faster turns with the abec11 'thane.
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Rolls Rolls
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On 7/19/2006 Fatboy
wrote in from
United States
(67.94.nnn.nnn)
Geez, what size are the wheels? Rollerblade style, yes? I have several pairs of Krypto made wheels I can send ya'
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Not really pumping, but...
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On 7/19/2006
Geezer-X
wrote in from
United States
(65.127.nnn.nnn)
My Rolls Rolls showed up on the doorstep yesterday. I swapped a pile of assorted slalom stuff I'm not using this season for it.
It's got the huge roller-ski type wheels and RII 180s. I assembled it with some cut down Stimulators, and went to a local bike path. I was surprised that the "fenders" got in the way at first, but I adapted quickly. I push mongo naturally, so switching off mongo and regular makes for 2 equally fried legs.
It makes a very unique sound since it's a nearly inch-thick 3D composite structure and the wheels are so huge, and it carries speed like nothing you've ever ridden. The return part of the bike path is ever so gently downhill, and it would be possible to do the whole ride without a push.
I pumped it a little, but the contact patches of the wheels are tiny and it feels a bit sketchy.
I'm going to put some narrowed 180 hangers w/ 8mm axles and a try some big conventional wheels. I've got big flywheels and some of those Kryptonics 85mm things.
It's an interesting diversion from "skateboarding" being more like a pair of roller skis joined in tandem than a conventional skateboard, but it'll be something different to ride to work.
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STP Peter's 200 mile LDP ride
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On 7/18/2006
Stryker
wrote in from
United States
(207.175.nnn.nnn)
JP, How did your Seattle to Portland ride go? 200 miles in two days. Wow what a maniac! Peters is the LDP King that's for sure.What Deck did you use? Give up the details man Come on...No one puts on the miles like you do. Rock on! :) John
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LBL LDP
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On 7/16/2006
Seth
wrote in from
United States
(208.12.nnn.nnn)
I just bought one. When it gets here I'll write a review. It sure looks good.
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LongBoardLarry LDP deck reports
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On 7/14/2006 kel
wrote in from
United States
(205.179.nnn.nnn)
Anybody been on the LBL LDP deck yet and have anything to say about it? In particular how you you like the camber and the extra length in the tail? Would be great to hear something about it! Thanks!
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nw ldp double-booked date
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On 7/14/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
"what a bummer that 2 of the only long distance/cross country skating events of the year are being held on the same day, and only a few hours drive apart-the MS skate in seattle and the portland push."
Yeah, the MS Skate date's been announced for months...
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