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rain, wedgeys, etc
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On 8/16/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Tarin you can see both top and side views of the PPS (pocket pistols skates) foam wedge in pics below -- these are angled chunks of foam with adhesive on one side, stick them to the board wherever you want customized concave, then lay the grip tape on top of 'em, and trim the excess. Considering how much personal preferences for concave vary, its one of the best, simple ideas around.
The motor oil's a bit extreme, and I only tried that last season, just took them out then let the excess oil drain on a paper towel, then after mounting the wheels I use trumpet valve oil which kinda dilutes the goopy stuff. Just read on SF forum how people put their wet gunky bearings in paint thinner to clean, then in rubbing alcohol to remove the paint thinner, and finally a light oil... I'll probably be trying that a lot this year.
The thing I like about the rollsrolls is that it can plow through puddles and the carbon fiber never gets damaged being completely submerged. Besides the fact its feather light. But all-carbon fiber decks do lack a little 'love' which is why for the main axe I prefer the birch core+triaxial+CF of the Roe. As for surfboards they can definately take on damage whenever the outer shell is cracked, once water gets in, the foam takes on some of the moisture and eventually you'll have a heavier board with a lot of discolored spots...
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new to pumping
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On 8/16/2006 brendan
wrote in from
United States
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I've got Venture Featherlites, comlete with worn out/shredded bushings, on it right now, pretty wide I think, it's been about ten years since I bought the set-up, I don't remember. Wasting time at work, so I can't measure them right now. I'm riding on old 70mm Kryptos and some old noisy bearings. Ha!
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rain riding
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On 8/16/2006 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
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I avoid riding in the rain, but a skater here in hamburg, who does, rides open bearings, so they can dry fast and can be oiled without popping them out - I don't know if it works.
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rain riding
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On 8/15/2006
tarin
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(88.212.nnn.nnn)
james,
whats a pps wedge?
doesnt motor oil make your bearings yucky? i thought i was supposed to avoid motor oil and use non grease lubricants (like bike chain lubricant).
are there any other advantages to an all-carbon fibre deck besides water resistance? and how do surfers, who use wooden boards, make it so their boards arent ruined by being in the ocean?
copenhagen rains a lot, almost as much as scotland did. if i had to pop my bearings out after every ride, that would be a lot of work. no way i can avoid riding in the rain too. but i dont want to ruin my gear either.
that flaeming skate place looks awesome. berlin is half a day's hitch (or an hour cheap flight) away, i really should get down there sometime soon.
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rain riding
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On 8/15/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Tarin, this toe stop + PPS wedge combo helps lock your foot in place, but I don't ride rain as much these days as it eats up bearings and wood decks (besides being generally sketchy!) However as fall rolls in, I will be training a bit more in it, with an all-carbon fiber deck just to get used to the sliding. Just gotta remember to toss the bearings in a cup of motor oil right afterward...as far as bearings for rain? As cheap as possible.
...and welcome Brendan! The Powell's a great, durable and versatile deck. What kinda trucks you using? Check this page out for some other gear ideas.
Derik, Ravn... I might have to start talking my family into a German trip as well now, along with Derek. At first I thought it would be impossible but if I can tie in a slalom day and a family visit, it might start coming together. That Flaeming place looks amazing.
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Very green question. . .
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On 8/15/2006 brendan
wrote in from
United States
(206.190.nnn.nnn)
So I just found this website a couple days ago and have found it very informative and inspiring. I do have a newbie questions/sugesstion. What exactly is LDP? My guess from reading posts--long-distance pumping. Yeah? Any pointers on starting out? I'll be on a tight budget, trying to utilize my Powell No Ka Oi, I think it's about 40 something inches long. Also, if at the top of each forum there was a heading with an overview of the contained subje ct it would be great! Thanks for any help!
-brendan
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Flaeming
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On 8/15/2006 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
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from Hamburg, former surf64 at the longboardz forum. (There was to much unrefined tech-drivel and less skating.)
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Re:190 Kilometers for Skaters
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On 8/15/2006 Ravn
wrote in from
Germany
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Thanks Derik,
Are you from the region? I just mentioned the flaeming skate a few pages ago - it is definitely very skateable, I've been there a couple of times now.
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190 Kilometers for Skaters
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On 8/15/2006 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
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Ravn, have you ever been to the Flaeming Skate Aerea? They have around 190 kilometers tarmac for skaters: www.flaeming-skate.de
I don't know the quality of the roads, but if its skateable for inliners, it should be good for longboards as well.
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rain riding
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On 8/14/2006
tarin
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(88.212.nnn.nnn)
how do you guys cope with rain? it seems quite a few people here are in the pacific northwest, and you're bound to have a lot of rain.
my foot slipped off the front of my ldp deck last night. i caught myself so no injuries, but im not keen on it happening again. i skate in the rain a lot, even heavy rain with puddles, but im used to my old board which had a slight nose which caught my foot well when i wasnt paying attention and slipped. im guessing a toe stop would be the solution here.
another thing is grip tape. rain ruins grip tape. is there any waterproof tape out there?
i use bulldog bearing's waterproof bearings. they're not the best rolling ones, but they do the job and handle the rain well. does anyone have any other recommendations?
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priceless
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On 8/12/2006 Kris
wrote in from
United States
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I guess that means roadrash on the palms is worth about $65!
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spare carver cx front hanger?
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On 8/12/2006 Kris
wrote in from
United States
(69.224.nnn.nnn)
Hit a spot of soft tar in the bike lane today (happens in the summer in Sacramento a lot) and got off over the front of my LDP. I jogged it out no problem, but my board rolled into the street (of course) and got run over. Not the first board I have shot into the path of a car, but definitely the prettiest and coolest. The deck faired pretty well- chafing along the edge of the tail on the top and along right the rail edge on the bottom. Looks mostly cosmetic. Unfortunately the hanger of my front truck snapped in half. So, if anyone has a spare CX front hanger to sell, or a decent used whole front CX truck, I'm ready to buy. If not, I'll just get a new one.
For the record, I'd rather break the truck than have 2 weeks of roadrash on my palms. I'd rather have the rash than break the deck though.
Keep the hairy/ier side up.
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ldp stuff
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On 8/10/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
thanks for the notes mark and stryker.
mark- imopressive reading there! sheesh- that's a lot of posts to read. james has done an amazing job of organizing his thoughts and ideas on all this ldp stuff, and getting people out for rides. he's a great resource and i continue to learn a great deal from him. same with erin- she's got tons of wisdom to offer. it's awesome that there is so much stuff to learn here, and much of it goes far beyond skateboards.
and john- glad to hear your ldp setup is ready to ROCK. my family is heading up to the san juans tomorrow, so i can only ride tomorrow morning and not saturday. (not to whine, but it's kind of a bittersweet deal, since we'll be in the middle of paradise, but on a tiny island (1/2 mile perimeter)without a speck of pavement.)
if you can get out tomorrow, i can ride until about 8:30 am, at the velodrome or crossroads. i can leave you my gps watch if you want to use it for the week to clock some times up on the centennial trail.
my # is 206 498 3386.
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Sat. Velodrome Redmond WA. Early Again
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On 8/10/2006
Stryker
wrote in from
United States
(207.175.nnn.nnn)
Derek, One other thing lets go back to the Crossroads Skate Park.L8er John
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Sat. Velodrome Redmond WA. Early Again
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On 8/10/2006
Stryker
wrote in from
United States
(207.175.nnn.nnn)
Hey Derek, I just put together My first Custom Roe LDP. Let's see what it will do. Velodrome...You Name the time. I'll Be there. John (425)737-1750
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bolt size
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On 8/9/2006 mark
wrote in from
United States
(68.28.nnn.nnn)
wow, read all 1700+ posts here. amazing stuff guys! I have a Roe LDP on the way. :)
I believe standard bolts are 10/32. Khiro sells a kit of different length hardware. the bolts are 10/32.
Wanna say thanks to James, Erin, Derek, and everyone else for this treasure chest of information. everyone here has given me lots of inspiration to lengthen the boarding portion of my commute, and spend lots of money! :)
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toe stop pix
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On 8/9/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(172.194.nnn.nnn)
I used a couple big toe-brakes off rollerskates instead of big bushings. Usually a two-bushing combo works great as well, like a couple old Indy bushings stacked on top of each other. I just put a long bolt up through the front truck hole then a washer and nut on top of the bushing. Which bolt hole you use completely depends on your front foot stance, just look down where your foot sits normally when you're at a comfortable pump. Sometimes I even have to drill a new hole in the middle of the standard truck holes.
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toe stop pictures
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On 8/9/2006
tarin
wrote in from
Denmark
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would people put up photos of their toe stops please? i've never seen one.
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oakland
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On 8/8/2006
hc
wrote in from
United States
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kris, I am in oakland, shoot me an email.
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Don't toestop believin'
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On 8/8/2006
Adam
wrote in from
United States
(198.144.nnn.nnn)
I've made very effective toe stops with two old truck bushings in a stacked config: one barrel shaped bushing on bottom, and a conical bushing positioned small-end-down, on top. Then a quarter-sized washer to top it all off.
The conical bushing's angle holds my shoe edge quite well. I used an extra long 8-32 screw but I don't think that is heavy duty enough for LD pumping as the screw is under a lot of force and will likely fatigue at some point.. probably at the worst possible moment. If I were to build another I'd move up to a #10 screw and hope I didn't have to bore out my truck holes (too much).
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Don't toestop believin'
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On 8/8/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
(209.76.nnn.nnn)
So, to make a toestop, can I just use a 3" bolt, a bushing and a washer? Any suggestions?
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...con colitas de borrego...
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On 8/4/2006 Kris
wrote in from
United States
(71.128.nnn.nnn)
Couldnt get a good set-up with the Khiros. The bottom bushing blew out on the baseplate very quickly. Really need a conical bottom bushing, or a cup washer that will hold a fat cylinder bushing. I have a set of Bones Hardcore soft on there now, but I dont like the plastic capped bushings for pumping. Actually, the longer kingpin with the stock bushing would probably be the best fix...I will keep working on it.
lonerider- I took the job in Oakland and will be commuting from Sac. I will probably stay overnight with my brother in SF on occasion. I'd be up to skate after work sometime.
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Brooklyn Sesssions for MJ & more on SDP
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On 8/4/2006
lonerider
wrote in from
United States
(65.249.nnn.nnn)
I'm in California, but I just read about weekly sessions organized by Earthwing Skateboards at Prospect Park in your backyard - check it out (http://www.earthwingskateboards.com/events.html) and here for photos of the last sessions (http://www.earthwingskateboards.com/blog/).
Yea, those photos are out of date, it is now all freshly paved black pavement as they just did it this fall (http://www.svbcbikes.org/crank/oct-nov-05/index.php) is amore recent photo. Hmmm.. I'm using 70mm ZZ right now, and was thinking about upgrading to their Gumball equivalents to give me more roll speed. I don't think going from 77a to 80a or even 83a would change the grip that much for pumping.
Kris, nice work on the bushing investigation, you might want to check out Clear Radikal bushings as well. Also maybe consider getting longer kingpins (I've done that to virtually all of my trucks).
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NYC Tar
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On 8/4/2006
MJ
wrote in from
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Hey... might be a long shot but I'm fairly new to New York City... just got my flexideck delivered from my old home in OZ and now I'm on the look-out for some decent hills... I live in Brooklyn but happy to travel. Any skaters out there living in the Big Apple can let me in on some local secrets??
sweet
MJ
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bush doctor
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On 8/4/2006 Kris
wrote in from
United States
(69.105.nnn.nnn)
Just wanted to post that I went on a hunch and switched out the stock bushings on the front cx truck with Khiro white barrel bushings...the result was the exact feel I was looking for. The power and speed I had with my previous set-up is back. The stock bushings were too tall for me to get them loose enough on the kingpin. The Khiro's are shorter, and I think they're softer too. Funny, my original thoughts about what was slowing me down were totally off base...imagine that! Now, the only problem is that the big lower bushing doesn't seat well on the baseplate. It's too big for the carver cup washer. I tried with a flat washer, but the washer was also too small and ended up buried in the bushing. Once I get this sorted out, it will be ON!
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