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getting started
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On 9/13/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
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Sean-
I have to admit I have trouble with written explanations of pumping. The descriptions seem great, but I have a hard time translating the words into motion. For me, the magic combination was seeing a few videos online, then going out and trying. once I started, it was tough, but only for a very short period of time. It just naturally fell into place. Check out the videos on pavedwave.com, then go out and give it a try. You'll know you're doing it when you find your self going farther then you could with just your push. I recommend starting by pushing up to a good speed, then trying to maintain that speed by pumping. You'll see. Gear can be an issue too. What are you riding?
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pumping
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On 9/13/2006
sean
wrote in from
United States
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im sean from new jersey and im 17. im new to the longboarding scene and i loved it from the second i got on my board. i mostly ride around my neighborhood because i need practice. the one thing im having a lot of trouble with is pumping. i have read Dan Gesmer's guide which every website seems to mention but i dont seem to understand it. does anyone have a way of helping me learn to pump. perhaps in person or by video or somthing. i really want to learn this ability because it sounds awesome. thanks a bunch to anyone that can help. email me if u like
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abz
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On 9/13/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
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As for abs and vids, I hope the latter will help answer the former, as I've been planning put together some vid that is more focused on isolating motions. Maybe with the turn in the weather there will be more time at the keyboard for this?... In a nutshell I don't get abs to burn until those pumps where the upper body stays relatively quiet, and the lower extremeties are flying left and right, cranking at a pretty fast clip. Lately that's when kruder and dorfmeister pops up on the mp3 ;-)
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splits n CXs
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On 9/13/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Hey Chrys - lately i'm on 107mm splits for a few reasons, but still find both these and CX to be great for distance pumping. First, there a lower CG with Splits, because the angled wedging raises only the rear of the truck to make it turny/surfy, but doesn't raise the whole assembly, and the axle bisects the kingpin, rather than riding above it as on a standard reverse kingpin Randal/Gullwing design. Second, the narrower hangar and split axle means a very positive, snappy turn, and I like the fast control for avoiding last minute things like pine cones, potholes and dogs. As loose as I keep them with double barreled white Khiros, the effort of turning the front is almost nil -- mostly I'm powering off the stiffer rear truck and just pointing the nose, alternating directions with each pump. It feels almost effortless, but I do sweat, so I know there's some ergs expended somewhere.
The CX in contrast with its wider hangar (around 160mm?) lends itself well to a wider, more relaxed pump especially at 'higher' speeds, which in flatland is about the 15-20mph range. It requires more riser because of how the hangar swivels, but since pushing is rarely needed, it isn't too big an issue. Its got a unique surfy feel and is an incredible deal at around $50 for the front/back whereas the Split setups gonna run $200+. I think it thrives in the higher gears because of its width, and the way the turns are a little more laid-back, not as 'instant' as the split-axle, so it might seem to take a little more energy getting it up to speed -- but once I start overthinking this stuff I remember - 10% gear, 90% rider...
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pumping
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On 9/12/2006
Chrys
wrote in from
United States
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So I have truck questions for James Peters and others.
What is the difference in ride from the Carver CX's to the Splitfires as far as effort in to pump / return on effort?
Which is harder or easier to pump?
Which is more suited for advanced pumpers or beginners?
Is anybody else riding the Splitfires instead of or in addition to the Carver CX's like James is?
Do tell.
Thanks.
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Just checking in.
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On 9/7/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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Wow, long time no post! Good to see you guys are doing a grand job of keeping the long distance pump stoke going. I've spent a good part of the summer travelling and then, with batteries sufficiently recharged, returned to the intense and relentless Vancouver real estate scene to resume our househunt. As an aside, for those of you not familiar with Vancouver, it is an extremely desirable place to live and as such buying any kind of condo within the city itself is a challenging task. Competition is swift and fierce. There isn't much time to view a new listings, offers are taken sometimes the same day and no subjects are the rule if the prospective buyer wants their offer to even be considered. Ok, right, this isn't the Vancouver condo buyer's support group....so I won't go on and on.....only to say that last week we finally captured a condo. However, this project is only half complete now as we still need to sell our current place. The loft should go quickly in this market nevertheless preparing to show and reviewing offers will have its own thrills.
Suffice it to say, this project has cut back my available skate time...but not completely. I was just out for a great seawall pump this afternoon. It is, as most of your already know, such a great stress reliever and wonderful work out. Well when our move to the West End of Vancouver is completed in late October we will be living even closer to Stanley Park and one of the world's best and most scenic flatland pump routes, the seawall.
I'll check back her occasionally but for the next little while the distraction of selling and moving will continue to limit my computer activity.
In the meantime, keep up your great pump energy and the intriguing ldp equipment and technique discoveries.
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abdominal pumping
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On 9/7/2006
tarin
wrote in from
Denmark
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as opposed to abominable pumping..
i feel my abs being worked most when im pumping uphill, or im trying to accelerate quickly, when i clench my abs in order to get tighter and faster oscillations. but generally, they still perform the bulk of the work even on flats. my feet get sore too but are less and less so as i get more used to pumping, especially the longer distances on a good day when i relax more and use i use my body more naturally and find a good rhythm.
also, make sure you're taking gesmer's advice about keeping your back straight and lifting your upper body out of your hips, that makes a lot of difference and keeps minor muscles from doing most of the work
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Pumping Videos
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On 9/6/2006 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
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Check: pavedwave.com
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How to Pump
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On 9/5/2006
Alan
wrote in from
United States
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Hey, I was wondering if there were any videos on how to pump, been reading all the guides and they help a lot, and I think I can kind of do it, but any videos that really show pumping well or if anyone is on Oahu and wouldn't mind a pumping training session I'll buy you lunch.
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abs not sore?
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On 9/1/2006 mark
wrote in from
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Hey guys, I think I got the hang of this thing. But, I remeber reading posts about people with sore abs. The only thing that gets sore for me are my feet, and maybe the left side of my left hip. And the feet soreness depend on my stance and tempo (whether I'm twising or pushing out). Primarily from tilting the board back and forth trying to accelerate for uphills and against the wind.
What're y'all doing to work those abs? Maybe my abs are already too powerful? Yes that must be it. :)
I have a feeling I'm missing an important gear.
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New LDP Prototype
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On 8/28/2006
lonerider
wrote in from
United States
(65.249.nnn.nnn)
Hey peters, I saw you posted a photo of your new Roe LDP protoype, I love it's lines, hopefully it's as functional as the "current" Roe LDP. Have you been able to do some test runs on it yet?
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How-to-Pump update
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On 8/23/2006
Daniel Gesmer
wrote in from
United States
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Derek and Peters, many thanks for your very kind remarks! Please feel free to circulate the PDF as much as you wish.
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how to pump
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On 8/23/2006
derek
wrote in from
United States
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dan-
that's beautiful!
nice work on the PDF. thanks for laying it all out like that. i dig the way you think- your ideas and products just keep getting better and better.
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How To Pump update
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On 8/22/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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Dan thats a sharp lookin update. Nicely crafted, boiled down to the essentials. I always point people to your original essay link, when talking through the complicated physics or especially starting to explain in text form, it feels like just re-inventing the wheel -- this PDF is The Wheel!
And with the new pics, could be a future in Gesmer desktop themes...
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How-to-Pump article by Daniel Gesmer
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On 8/22/2006
Daniel Gesmer
wrote in from
United States
(71.211.nnn.nnn)
For a recent issue of Naphte (the bilingual longboard magazine published in Montreal for which I serve as Senior Editor), I completely re-edited and updated my 1989 "how to pump" article.
A PDF version of the Naphte article (including photographs and diagrams) is now available for free download by clicking on the button towards the upper right of this page.
This is a substantial improvement, so I encourage anyone who liked the original 1989 version to check it out.
Many thanks to Webmaster Adam for setting up the link!
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james' fatboy
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On 8/19/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
that think looks like a samurai sword.
nice work on that board jp- and good job pumping that thing to a 3:58 mile in the wee hours of the morning...
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Assym 41.5
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On 8/18/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
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Here's the latest, a fun, pretty stiff 'boo deck from Fatboy and I'm diggin on it!
Commuted it the other day, playing with foot placements and tweakin' the brain. Testing it on Cyber Mile tomorrow 6 a.m. at Redmond Velodrome, Stryker and Munson will be there, any other locals game!?
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thanks
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On 8/18/2006 clem
wrote in from
United States
(66.75.nnn.nnn)
hey peters, thanks so much for the info!
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wheelz and cx
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On 8/18/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
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clem i moved up from 65/70 mm sized wheels to 75/76 mm, but only after getting really comfortable pumping smaller ones consistently and building up to longer distances. for quick slalom runs I still use 66mm and sometimes 62mm cambrias, but for a trail pump of any significant distance I bump that way up. you'll find the smaller ones to have a lot more "pick up" right off the line and easier to climb hills, but you'll know to increase wheel size once you feel like you're pumping at max speed all the time, and start jonesin' to maintain a faster pace.
kris - that's crazy what happened to you man!! glad you're okay. you can get the single CX front at solidskate
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CX front truck?
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On 8/18/2006 Kris
wrote in from
United States
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Anyone know of an online vendor that sells just the front CX truck?
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Wheel size for pumping
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On 8/17/2006 Clem
wrote in from
United States
(66.75.nnn.nnn)
Hey guys, i just "upgraded" from 65mm 82a wheels to 70mm 78a wheels. it seems like i go slower when pumping with the bigger wheels. is it cuz i AM going slower (as a result of it being harder to pump with big wheels?) i have original trucks and a 35" board.
i'm definitely having a higher top speed when i'm kicking off with my foot regularly.
by the way.. where i live, there are like..no hills. so yeah. flatland pumping is what i just learned to do :]
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Ravns CX
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On 8/17/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
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Greg, its a carver CX - the hangar swivels behind the kingpin.
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Ravn your truck is on backwards!!!
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On 8/17/2006 GregOlsen
wrote in from
Canada
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Ravn,
How on earth do you skate with your truck on backwards??!!
Note the roadside sign and skate in front a few posts back.
Greg
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wedge link
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On 8/17/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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Here's C-block foam wedges off the sk8kings site... WEDGES
the rolls bearings are same as any other, but a couple years ago I was testing some sealed german made bearings they sent over that seemed to hold up a little longer. but in the end, sealed or unsealed, water's going to get in there, so maybe the open/exposed thing is the way to go.
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rain riding
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On 8/17/2006
tarin
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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im thinking of getting some snowskate grip tape - have been looking online for it, and seems there's this company, fuse, that makes a foam 'grip tape' thats suitable for winter conditions. now im looking online for the pps foam blocks too.
how does the rollsrolls wheel/bearing system deal with puddles?
i use clear bike chain lubricant with ptfe to blow out my bearings. i think that works okay.
derik - are open bearings different kinds? presumably, you cant just take the shields off the bearings.. you have to get a kind that doesnt require a shield? where does he get those?
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How to Pump