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solstice pumping and pushing
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On 6/20/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
hey airin, the entire burke gilman trail is completely pump-able, at least that's been our theory and this year Munson has proven it correct! His approach on the solstice was a complete no-touch ride and he almost nailed it. My goals were 1. to get more people racing, and 2. to go for a consistent MPH and blast the whole thing whichever method works best at the time - probably 10-20% of the trail requires pushing if you want to keep up a fast clip.
The best thing was seeing some new guys hit the trail, one of which had rode with me only one time previous -- its great to see more people stoked. Most bailed because distance seems daunting, but the weekend sessions are a good way to discover that 10-12 miles is entirely do-able after a couple times! Hope we can get out on a ride or two prior to July 31 event, the weekend rides are really where the soul of this thing is. -jp
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soltice skate?
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On 6/19/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(154.20.nnn.nnn)
So how did the Soltice Skate turn out? How many skaters were there and did you get some fast times? Was it mostly pumping or did you find a lot of kicking was needed for the route? Looking forward to your 'skate report'.
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peters pump deck info
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On 6/13/2005 vaitus
wrote in from
United States
(24.225.nnn.nnn)
Thanks Peters, that's some good info there
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Alex's pump-rig
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On 6/12/2005
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
I've got mine set up with a German Seismic 135mm in front, wedged with a C.Yandal F RadPad & Yellow springs. The rear truck is a 135mm Geezer-X modified SureGrip Invader offset that I currently have mounted flat. I ride this setup with all kinds of wheels: Avalons, Avilas, Manx Gumballs, Flashbacks or Grippins; all of them fit fine with no wheelbite.
This is probably gonna be my GS ride at Hood River...but it's a great pumper as well. If I were only gonna cruise and pump it at the speeds you mention, then I may consider putting a more active steering on the rear, 'cuz the GXSG maybe stable & sticky, but it's not much for slower speed pumping.
I got an extra 34 x 9" CYa deck in shrink wrap that I'm thinking about re-locating.
-=S=-
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vaitus- pump deck opins
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On 6/12/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
vaitus - if you can, get both a flex/cambered lightweight longboard, and a shorter Skaterbilt-type stiff deck (maybe their longest one) with concave. That way you've got more options depending on the trail. Stiff decks with shorter wheelbase are better pumping up steeper hills (I ride a 36" Roe or 41" LibTech) and longer flexy/responsive decks (45" Insect) for maintaining higher top speeds on flats and downhills. Steve at Insect will get your deck dialed just the way you want -- I had him throw in an extra sheet of carbon fiber to keep a longer POP life...
The Loaded feels too squishy for flatlanding...maybe others have had better luck, but mine is a dedicated butta-smooth downhill carving board. jp
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Correction to my post below
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On 6/12/2005 Alex
wrote in from
United States
(71.65.nnn.nnn)
To correct my post below:
I mis-spoke about the size of CYa's deck. I'm referring to the 34 x 9 "Wreckreational Cruiser".
Thanks,
Alex
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Setting-up CYa's 32x9 Deck
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On 6/12/2005 Alex
wrote in from
United States
(71.65.nnn.nnn)
This is directed at Chris Yandall, and anyone else who has set-up one of his 32x9 decks. Chris, I'm going to purchase one of your decks. How do you recommend setting it up for being able to skog, pump, and bomb hills (30 mph or so)? Is there any one set-up that does all these things well? Interested in specifics about trucks, bushings/spring rates, wheels, bearings, spacers, etc. FYI, I weigh-in around 200 lbs. Thanks for all your input!
Alex
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Portland Pusher #4
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On 6/11/2005
Eastside Rollers
wrote in from
United States
(24.20.nnn.nnn)
Looking for a good time on a Sunday morning? Look no further...
http://www.ncdsa.com/contest_registration.asp?ContestID=190
Fun! Prizes! Skateboarding!
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airin - next time!
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On 6/11/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Airin, not at all - take care! Hope things improve quickly there. We'll miss having you for sure -- but we're still looking forward to seeing you guys on July 31st at the Multiple Sclerosis Skate! -jp
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pumping questions
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On 6/9/2005 vaitus
wrote in from
United States
(65.184.nnn.nnn)
what would you pumping freaks suggest as a flatland pumping deck for a beginner/intermediate who's over the learning stage, a stiff board with no camber like the skaterbuilt, a stiff board with camber like the bozi gs. or a cambered controlled flex deck like an insect or loaded? also has anybody set up a board with rt-x both front and back?
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Back to work.
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On 6/8/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
FINALLY! After 3 months I'm back to work! I'm tuning up my CY 38" and plan to start rehabbing my skating skills this weekend. Short rides to start, getting progressively longer. I hope to be skating to work by September 1st. I've got to learn to pump all over again and this time I'm going to try it just using my hips and legs. Skogging as usual will come second after I get my CrashPads..
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard!
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solstice skate a no-go for me
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On 6/8/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Hey guys, sorry to let you down. I had to cancel on the Solstice Skate (especially pains me after pulling off a real smooth 22km skate just yesterday). Anyways, a relative is in the hospital...serious stuff. Gotta stick around and help. Another time though,eh?
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monitoring progress
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On 6/3/2005 Many beards
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(80.65.nnn.nnn)
Another newbie question i'm afraid... I've got the jist of how to pump i'm just finding it hard to tell if i'm generating or maintaining speed so if any of you have any tips on how i can monitor progress i'd be very grateful
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Carving the Pump
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On 6/2/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Many years into this thing of generating speed on the flats is a passion. Thanks Steve for pushing this arena of skateboarding. The competition end for me is not the real passion but the feeling of flying like a bird on the cement is compelling proof that the motion is worthy of partaking in.
With the advent of these new boards that promote cranking turns for that sweet arc to perpetuate motion. I'm ALL over it!
WWW.PUMPYOURDECK.COM
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Cross-forums
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On 5/31/2005
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
For all of you Pump-a-holics:
Don't forget about "The Trap" forum!
Update your FASTEST time through either an 88' or 176' FLAT area.
The 44' area is just too small, and is going to be PHASED OUT.
The Trap is pure speed by ANY means...Push, Pull, Tug, Tow, Pump or Fart.
There are and will be other contests for pure pumping, but only The Trap will answer the question, "How fast can you get that thing goin' under your own power?"
I'm making my first run at it on my 38" Yaya once I get it set-up and gripped. Sorry it's takin' so long, CY...Race just turned 3 mos. old and has his first fever. Bleh.
-=S=-
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Skogging, Gesmer how to article and feet cramps
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On 5/31/2005 vaitus
wrote in from
United States
(24.225.nnn.nnn)
Hola CYA, sorry no video at the moment but I'll try to work on it.
On a different note lately I've been working on my gyrating tecnique using as a reference the famous Gesmer how to article. It's an excellent guide but I feel it should include arm motion as well, I got that from the slalom footage on the Surf/skate/ski movie "Go for it" by Hal Jepsen and it really helps the abdominal/hips part of the gyration.
On the feet cramps I got that sometimes too, imo other than the arch problem it may depend on conditioning and especially on using your legs more than your abs.
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Mem Day warmup for Seattle pump race
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On 5/31/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Nice show yesterday dooders - it's lookin' good for the Seattle Solstice. Looks like Airin's signed up with a friend - that rocks!...be sure to drop a line when you get in and we'll get you all squared away on the race start, etc. It looks like there will be more sign-ups on the 13-mile coming soon.
Highlights of yesterday's 10-miler:
Ken's wicked TannisWatson/Originals/85mm Flywheels carve-a-licious setup
Chad pumpin @ new mach speeds on the Insect
Downhillin' at Cascadia (gotta show this hill to the slalom crowd...)
JP finally nailing the uphill at Cascadia
The poo board
The disappearing Dycus
Derek's no-touch rides up ALL the "TRAIL VERT" -- WHAT NEXT?
If everyone's recouped and the weathers not crap we'll be doing another this coming Sat/Sun.
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caught Flat-Footed
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On 5/31/2005 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
As someone who has to deal with people's feet (and the whole litany of problems from Feet) all the time, I can vouch for doing this right...
I'm a Snowboard Instructor and Race Coach, have been for 17 years now (been riding 27 years on snowboards), and have seen the impact of how footwear affects rider's performance. In the various duties I've done (Including running rental shops,and being a Tuner)I've worked also in a few Ski shops, and learned how to 'Fit' boots correctly, and over the years have ended up working with a few boots companies as they've developed their products. With that 'short list' of some of my credentials outa the way..
Those that have 'Flat Feet' and incur pain, cramping, or soft-tissue stress from pushing/pumping a skateboard, get 'partial' footbeds(from the heel to forefoot, Not under the toes), ones Molded to Fit YOU. Your feet are flat, then please don't aggravate them by imposing an artificial amount of arch under them. Your customized footbeds should Let your feet stay relatively Flat, but Supported nonetheless. A soft-foam arch, one that 'squishes' might be good support under the impact of pushing a skateboard, but would impede with how the board feels when 'pumping' the board. Using a flat, soft shoe like a Converse makes some sense for just everday skating, but the soft sole will not support the foot in pushing over long distances. You'd want a stiffer shoe, but one that does not have a high-arch footbed inclusive in it's profile. Padding under the toebox is a good thing in general. People who have high arches are either 'on tip-toes' or are vigorously hard on the heel as 'heel strikers'. People with 'flat feet' almost always 'roll through' their stride, putting down a solid heel, but bending the crap outa the foot while walking, doing worse things (bending wise) while running or pushing a skateboard. Hence,the ankles and knees take a share of the load that a normally-arched foot would absorb. Soft shoes only make this pressure distribution worse in althletic endeavors.
If a 'custom' partial footbed is beyond your means, then look for Spenco footbed products. They're made of dual density foam, and come in arch support partial foot beds, heel pads, and 'fitness' or 'workboot' insoles, which usually have a gelatin component added to the foam. They're usually available at better pharamacies. I recommend them over Dr. Scholls simply because of the resilience and quality of the products, but also because they offer partial footbeds, and heel cushions that Are Flat, not curved to 'cup' the heel.
In picking shoes, yeah, buy what fits. But, note whether the shoe's inner sole is removable, maybe bring Your insoles along when trying them out. Look at the 'bend' support the shoes provide, and cushioning as well. Be aware of width sizing as well, as a 'flat foot' needs only a bit of expansion, but usually is already 'spread out' a bit just dealing with daily impact stress. New Balance is a great shoe company in regards to fit and sizing.
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flat feet (cont)
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On 5/31/2005 pg
wrote in from
United States
(198.151.nnn.nnn)
My feet point slightly outwards too. My skating front foot points outward slighty more. When I stand normal it like I am standing on my board. At 41 my legs have started hurting bad after skating. I went to the doctor and they could not find anything wrong. I remember as a kid my doctor told me I might experience leg pains as a adult due to my flat feet. I been told & read many conflicting stories regarding flat feet since. But I do know when I wear my arch supports the pains in my legs are not as bad. Oh well.. I just skate till I can't skate no more...
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Another Flat-footed Pumper
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On 5/31/2005 Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
Count me in the ranks of the Flat Footed Pumpers.
At 40, my knees are also on the way out, and I pronate (my feet are more comfortable pointing a bit 'out' than straight forward. It's for this reason that I'm much more comfortable on a skateboard or snowboard or a bicycle with well-fitted clipless pedals than regular skis or toeclips, which force your feet to face forward while your knees get tortured.
My advice: Try everything and skate more.
-=S=-
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flat feet
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On 5/31/2005 will j
wrote in from
United States
(70.114.nnn.nnn)
flat feet don't affect your balance or much of anything else for that matter, haven't to me, and my doctor when i blew my knees out said they didn't and wouldn't affect me either. i'm as flat-footed as they come and had no problems growing up or now from it. i've been skating for 20years and in school i played about every sport i could: track(long distance), tennis, football, and soccer, even marching band. NEVER had a problem related to my flat feet, and i always wore flat shoes(vans or converse almost exclusively). anytime i would wear an arch support, my feet, shins, and knees would ache.
balance is in your inner ear, not your feet. and 99% of what people say about flat feet is WRONG. most things people attribute to flat feet are old wives tales and are more attributed to bad posture than anything else.
try a good insole with and without arch support and find which works best for you, if neither work, see a pediatrist, you may have a problem other than in your arch.
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pain in the arch
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On 5/31/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Try switching stance regular to goofy or vice versa, and pumping the other way -- it's like learning to pump all over again! For some people it might even come natural.
If you need arches I'd put them in a flat shoe, the flat sole lets you crank and pump the deck more efficiently. Other things...depending on asphalt condition, a softer durometer wheel helps for extended rides, anywhere past 2-3 miles. Also keeping your feet just behind the front truck, if it tends to slide up on top of the trucks' bolts where the vibration will lead to either a numb or pained foot when you step off.
If you're anywhere near WA state would be great to have you join the Solstice race... we're longboarding either 13 or 26 miles, and will try to pump as much of it as possible!
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flat feet
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On 5/31/2005 pmg
wrote in from
United States
(198.151.nnn.nnn)
I have tried to skate w/o any arch supports too. wearing my original vans.
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no arch/ouch - flat feet
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On 5/31/2005 pg
wrote in from
United States
(198.151.nnn.nnn)
I do wear arch supports since I have flat feet. I have always thought my flat feet maybe part of my problem. Maybe better/stronger arch supports are needed.
btw... how far can most people pump? 1 1/2 miles with little change in grade is what I can handle at the moment.
on a related subject.. I was always told flat feet can affect ones balance. I think this becomes evident when I foot brake. I have a hard time foot breaking with my heal contacting the pavement 1st. I know this is the safest way to foot break, but I am more comfortable letting my toes come in contact 1st. At higer speeds foot breaking for me a very scarey experience. Any other flat foot skaters out here?
pg
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How to Pump