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Pumping advice for Arin
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On 11/7/2005 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Arin,
The only qualifications I have in pump carving is the 20k I did last Summer and can give a few insights on that set-up. First I used a custom-made 43" longboard with no concave and just a little flex. The longer length boards are better for long distance rides because you can change position during the ride after the ankles and knees get a little tired from the redundant exercise of over an hour or two. In my opinion one of the most important elements to good torsion pumping is the length of spacing between the trucks/wheels and I I used about a 27" separation between wheels on a 43" board, with about a 6-6 1/2" nose. In general, its good to have a long nose on the deck because most of my type of pumping is done on the front half of the board, usually with one foot a little over the front wheels. I use the back half only when I get tired. Also, I change styles of pumping, during the rides, sometimes riding as if I were slalom skiing with my feet very close together. Othertimes, I separate my legs abit and use different muscle groups.
I never pumped much with Randals, although I have ridden them a bit. I now only use Sidewinder trucks, as mentioned in the previous post. Actually, for the 20K, I used a modified, or beefed-up version of the Sidewinder, removing the rear riser pad and inserting 2 Sidewinder parts into the rear truck to give even more flexibility than normal to the back trucks. I think I also used at least a few Independent conical bushings, but don't exactly remember the bushing set-up. This created a 3 bushing, 3 pivot rear truck, which was a bit heavy but seemed to work very well. The extra weight of the rear truck actually helped keep the rear end down, as it balanced somewhat the forward riding style. I also kept the front trucks a little tighter than the rear, and in general used the rear more for stabilizing the board than for propulsion. With the Sidewinders there is enough propulsion drawn from the front trucks to keep the momentum going for about 80% of the ride. Also, the wheels are important for long distance riding and I found the best, so far, are 3DM Avalons, 68mm on normal 7" hangers. On smaller slalom boards I reduce the distance between trucks even farther with a separation between wheels of about 24-26", but use wider trucks of 8 or 9". So, in general, I think the proper distance between trucks, a nose of about 5-6 1/2 inches, medium flex with no concave, forward pump style, good Avalon wheels (White ones) and good riding surface make pumping pretty easy. Oh..I almost forgot...a skinny board will probably make your foot collide with the wheels if you aren't careful, since most of the riding is done directly above the front wheels...And worrying about this ruins the ride. Anyway, this is the best set-up I've found for long distance torsion pumping. Hope it helps.
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pumping set up thoughts
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On 11/7/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
I've been experimenting a lot lately with flatland distance pumping set ups. So here's a few questions I have:
1) Would it be a bad thing to have a slightly narrow deck for pumping? With loose trucks a narrower deck would help reduce wheel bite, eh?
2) I usually use 180 R2's, soft bushings and run the trucks very loose for pumping. I wondering about trying 150mm R2's. How would they differ in terms of going the distance?
3) Slightly stiff seems better than too flexy in a deck, right?
4) Longer boards seem to carry the momentum better over the long haul. So I'm thinking a 48 inch deck would be preferrable to a 30 inch deck over the course of a 10km pump, for example. Your thoughts on this?
any other ideas on creative gear set up ideas for long distance pumping?
thanx
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Advanced pumping trucks
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On 11/7/2005
Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
If anyone wants good pumping trucks they need to demo a Sector9 Hydra board with sidewinder trucks. Personally speaking, I used these trucks to pump a little over 16miles in 2hrs. 15mins. non-stop, without putting my feet on the ground. I planned on trying to do 10k but kept going when I found I wasn't too tired. Anyway, the Sidewinders are new and revolutionary for the art of pumping, and even beginners can learn in a much shorter time how to pump cruise.
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pissing
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On 11/5/2005 brad
wrote in from
United States
(142.167.nnn.nnn)
pissing you pull it out and let it ripp mabey even spell your name if you get god enof
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trucks
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On 11/1/2005
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Cheers Peters,
just gotto get some now.
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the mile
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On 10/31/2005
hc
wrote in from
United States
(168.149.nnn.nnn)
peters, got a LDP PR for the mile? anyone else?
how about a skogging mile personal best?
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wedgie
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On 10/28/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
hey munchh, X in front, S in back, and IMHO I'd use 2 angled risers both front and back. Here's Chaput's diagram (go with configuration #2) Experiment with more/less angle until you find what works for you.
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slalom trucks
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On 10/28/2005
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.137.nnn.nnn)
Hi, looking at buying some Tracker RTS/RTX trucks, can anyone enlighten me?
To set them up slalom style, will they need wedging, or are they ready to go and thats the whole point????
Cheers.
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Flipping Randals
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On 10/10/2005 Jim R
wrote in from
United States
(68.221.nnn.nnn)
Hey all...
as far as flipping randals-- don't touch the baseplates ... reversing them might be dangerous....
what ya do is pull off the hangers and flip them over--- but this will make them LESS turny...a bit more stable; but probably not that good for pumping....
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box plans?
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On 10/8/2005 Kris
wrote in from
United States
(24.151.nnn.nnn)
does any one have free box plans or know where i could get them?
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pumping gone bad
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On 10/8/2005 Jon
wrote in from
United States
(69.108.nnn.nnn)
i fell off my skateboard today at HB trying to practice how to pump on flat land and u know what happened? ... i fell off my skateboard infront of people because i think i did an unexpected power slide or something.. most embarassing moment of my life. some guy was laughing at me and i wanted to kick his ass but i didnt, because he was with his friends. most embarassing moment though.. but i still want to learn how to pump and nothing wont stop me trying. can anyone give me some tips.. i have the stinger board by skatedesigns inc. 27"X10"
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Link. Fixed
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On 9/27/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
I hate these damn UI's wioth their own syntax for links! GAG me. :D
http://www.cyask8.com
well does old fashioned HTML work? let's see!
cYa
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Pumping vs Skogging Threads
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On 9/27/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for buying a deck! I've only made a couple of hundred. Not out to make millions with them. Just decided that turning people on to my pumping and skogging is a cool way to share my skateboard heritage.. I'd like to go into great detail about my pursuit of skogging but it aint right here. Could someone push(no pun intended) to get a new "skogging" thread going. The potential of something so simple going mainstream as a "skateboard" additive is HUGE in my estimation. It's perfect since most of the skateboard industry today laughs at this kind of stuff. F*CK 'EM . iT'S HEALTHY EXERCISE, GETTING A GOOD SKOG AND PUMP has its own merits. My videos on my site suck. I got a pro that will do my next set. I'm getting crazier on the skog turning one footed stuff and skogging backwards at times makes it a real treat to see down the Mission Beach boardwalk. My GF rides her blades behind me and shakes her head hearing many people saying, LOOK! THAT'S COOL. HE'S NUTS. LOOK AT HIS TORSO GYRATE AND NOW HE'S SWITCHIN FOOT TO PEDDLE. WTF? OMG? ;D
when they get a skogging thread going, i'll camp out here often :D
cheers mates. keep strokin it and remember, the key to skogging is forward foot placement and body aimed down an imaginary fall line that is your absolute direction of travel. Think body postioned at 12 oclock, slightly leaning forward and matching strokes on both sides getting your arms to comfortably glide. OK. video coming soon. i'm stoked!!! Maintain 15mph for 2 miles and breath deep as you shed pounds and have an exhilarating ...
Click here for link
cYa
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back side
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On 9/25/2005 Ianf
wrote in from
United States
(66.93.nnn.nnn)
thx, I have read the article like a billion times and it helps a TON. I still need advice on my backside turn.
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risers diagram and study vids
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On 9/25/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Ian, recently I've uploaded a link to Gesmer's 1989 pumping article (silverfish recently re-posted it), and list of links to some short pumping clips. Download and watch as many slalom vids as you can (search the slalom forum for "video") - that's relatively low cost study if you have a good connection.
I also put up Chaput's angled-riser diagram toward the bottom of the 'Gear' page which should visually clarify the proper wedging for pumping and carving.
Flipping the Randal baseplates from their standard config, you'll get some weird results. If you eventually want turnier pumping over fast downhill stability, I'd see if someone will swap their 150 hangars for your 180s, the narrower width will be instantly easier to pump. -jp
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I need a bit more
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On 9/25/2005 Ianf
wrote in from
United States
(66.93.nnn.nnn)
thanks for all ur help guys but I still need alittle more. I am starting to get the hang of my front side turn but I cant do a backside for the life of me. also, a little while back I thought a reads somthing about flipping randal trucks around (they are faced outwards right now on mine) so that that work better and also somthing about angled risers
thx
-ian
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pumping a big board
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On 9/20/2005
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(129.133.nnn.nnn)
loosen the trucks (or buy some new bushings, Bones have great rebound) and wiggle rhythmically
check out Chris Yandall's pumpyourdeck.com for some inspiration
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ya...but no
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On 9/20/2005 Ianf
wrote in from
United States
(66.93.nnn.nnn)
that would be great do get another board that would be better for pumping but I dont have that kind of money so i am stuck with my bomber.
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how do you pump?
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On 9/19/2005 Ianf
wrote in from
United States
(66.93.nnn.nnn)
I have been lonboarding for about 6 months, I am not that good and i just learned about pumping. I really really need to learn to do this. can anybody give me any tips or tricks on how to do it? I have a standard sector 9 bomber with randal 180's I think, is that even pumpable?
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Longboard
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On 9/2/2005
Marli
wrote in from
United States
(68.220.nnn.nnn)
Hi,
I just got a LB and cannot get enough of it. However I recently injured my left ankle (I ride goofy). I was wondering if anyone had tips on how to keep the board moving on flat land. I don't have a lot of money for equipment either.
Thanks for the advice!
Marli
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Alex's pumper
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On 8/11/2005 Bugs
wrote in from
Japan
(59.167.nnn.nnn)
A quick way to get a board that will be a good flat-land pumper is to buy a Chicken Dagger complete from Pocket Pistols or Sk8kings. It'll come set up with Trackers, Manx wheels, and with the trucks already wedged and adjusted so it's ready to ride out-of-the-box. I can pump this thing forever on the flat as long as my legs/lungs hold out.
It's pretty similar to the setup that Lonerider is suggesting, but it's all done for you.
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pump-a-holics!
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On 8/8/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the props Gareth! Everyone went home stoked, especially Derek for running all the inclines "clean" and Matt who's parents made a Seattle weekend of it. This year's turnout made a great impact for distance longboarding!
Can't thank the skateboard sponsors enough 'cause that really helped generate more interest this year -- Roe, Insect, GravitySports.com, K2, and t9.com. Working on getting longboards formally on the MS 2006 program, and looking forward to some P-town bros to make the trip up!!
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Alex's New Slalom Board
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On 8/5/2005 lonerider
wrote in from
United States
(65.249.nnn.nnn)
Hi Alex, I was only two when you took your break from skateboarding - but I too had a very long break myself (I crashed into a pickup truck when I was 6 years old while buttboarding and didn't skateboard for nearly another two decades). So I had a Loaded Vanguard 38" and I too just couldn't keep it going for more than about 50 ft... so I went out and bought a Insect Sidewinder 30" (Hybrid Slalom Deck) and set it up with Tracker RTX/RTS truck at 19.5" wheelbase, sanded Radikal Bushings, 7* Tracker Wedges and 81a Grippins. After only 20 mins I was suddenly pumping for EVER... even up slight uphill grades! I highly recommend the Insect Sidewinder (www.insectskateboards.com) which are made by Steve Hopper (who also makes Roe PS slalom boards). The Sidewinder is great for hybrid/gs slalom runs as well... much better than the Bahne Backhill and even some of the Roe models I've tried... you'll probably have a tough time getting the bushings... but everything else you should be able to buy and have shipped to you in the UK. (Seismic give you more energy for pumping, but are a bit "dodgey" for offset slalom courses).
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Alex's momentum
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On 8/5/2005
SinAZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
Welcome to the forum, Alex.
Before you retire that G&S 44" Pintail (which is a sweet deck), there are a few things you can do to keep your speed.
First, be sure to read down a few pages on this forum! There are many, many posts & links that will help.
Second, make sure you're running your trucks on the inner most holes available, shortening up your wheelbase. Run your trucks a little looser, and consider getting a more sensitive pivoting front truck, like an Indy, the Tracker RTX/Axis, or perhaps a Randal or a Seismic. Keep the B2 on the rear.
Finally, you may have to work on a more compact, "power" pump vs. the deeper "carve" pump. The former refers to having your feet much closer, if not right on top of your front & rear truck mounts. Instead of using the flex of the deck for your carve, you literally push & pull your feet across the surface of the deck...much like how you generate speed on roller skates, by using the sideways traction of the wheels to propel you forward.
I'm sure you'll find more in this forum. Be sure to keep us to date on your progress, and check out the UK forum as well!
Cheers. -=S=-
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Maintaining momentum on the flat.
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On 8/5/2005 Alex
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(195.92.nnn.nnn)
Hi out there, great web site . I've recently got back into skateboarding after an absence of roughly 23 years , I basically stopped during the end of the original boom in the uk at the end of 1982 ( I'm nearing the big 40 ) .My question is simply this ,near where I live ( Swansea , South Wales ) we have 5 miles of ultra smooth asphalt running alongside the bay . I currently own a G&S 42" Cutaway / Tracker B2 / 70mm Classic Kryps . I was hoping that this set-up would allow me to "pump" the board along the aforementioned course due to it being completely flat ( but smooth ) . Unfortunately the set-up won't maintain it's momentum and every 30yards or so I'm forced to push it once more . I have tried 80mm Kryps ( a little better ) and most recently 68mm Turner Avalons ( no real difference ). I realise that the set-up is reasonable for downhill carving as it is very responsive/stable and for that reason alone I wouldn't part with it . I would however like to achieve continual momentum as I believe that it is possible , I seem to recall seeing the "Tracker Truck" founder maintaining his momentum whilst slaloming on the flat . I am considering purchasing another dedicated slalom deck as I believe that this will give me the best chance to maintain the momentum that I am after . Could anyone out there suggest a G&S slalom deck that would suit me and would it be suitable to set it up with Tracker RT-X (front) and RT-S (back), I would really appreciate somebody's help as the UK Slalom scene isn't as knowledgable as that of the USA's , thanks in advance.
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How to Pump