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Some of my pumpin decks
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On 3/9/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
All but the lower two of these were custom made, here in the DR. The largest is 43" the smallest, 25". All the custom boards were made from Marine grade plywood imported from Brazil. I don't exactly know the composition of the wood, but the vaneer is very tight, strong and flexible. I used epoxy resin and a clamp mold to make the cambers and tails. Though the deck wood is probably not marketable in the US, I have found it to be very comfortable for LD pumping!
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The LDP shape...
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On 3/8/2006 silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
Uncanny indeed!
It seems that everyone is gravitating toward that basic shape and size as the ideal LDP pumping deck.
James any updates on your new Roe and LBL LDP designs?
Are they similar to or different from Erin and Munchh's decks?
Munchh and Erin I'd like to see those boards set up and hear about how they ride.
Al I'd like to see a picture of your deck where we can see the shape a bit better. Like a top shot or something. I like the other pic you posted on SF and here, but I couldn't get a good feel for the shape.
I had a nice hour long pump session yesterday. Fun, cramped up my front foot to the point of being barely able to walk.
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On a toe stop vibe....!
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On 3/7/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
Heres a simple fix,
I used a 7mm socket (that i know i will need now i've done this) and a pan head bolt that used to hold a lapper on an old pig (2" / 60mm).
It does the job, i thought the whole 4" long nose thing was a bit nuts, but i know now its the way to go, so this might save me a few knocks on the chin??
Hey SS,
yeah its a wide version of a shape i've been using a while, uncanny, right!!
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LDP Decks...
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On 3/7/2006
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
Erin I love the LBL! It's gonna be a sweeet ride!
I can't wait to see pics of it set up.
Munchh your deck looks awesome too!
Did you come up with that on your own or is it inspired by Erin's board?
James I'm looking forward to seeing your new Roe and LBL LDP decks!
Al if the posters name is in blue if you put your cursor on it their e mail address will appear at the bottom of your computer screen.
BTW how's everone doing? I've got sun and dry roads today!
The only bad thing is the sand, but I'm going pumping today!
Yeah!
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AW E-mail for Munchh
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On 3/6/2006
Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
Munchh, I don't have your E-mail address, so you can send me one and I'll respond. Thanks!
Al awlms@hotmail.com
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Calling 'Al Williams!'
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On 3/6/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(81.129.nnn.nnn)
Shoot me a mail please mate.
Cheers.
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'best' LDP shape(s)
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On 3/6/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Haha - its true Munchh, much can get lost in translation in the rapid-fire banter over the ethernet. Chaput's 'loaded deck' was referring ONLY to my video, and its over-abundance of CUTENESS (which was of course, my intent.) The contents being girls, skateboards, puppies, and Herb Alperts Tijuana Brass - all comprising some of the best memories of my childhood!!
As for decks, for skumping it makes perfect sense that clear across the world the best shapes evolve with uncanny similarity. Its always been my hope that the RoeRacing designed boards' evolution on my 'gear' page have exactly that influence and effect. To me the design of these decks is (mostly) an open book. I get hundreds of eyeballs every day on my pages that focus on LDP and on the 'gear' -- I just hope more people jump into the discussion, leave comments, etc...particuarly those who start pumping distances as well!!
One of the reasons I moved to a "Comet"-like shape very early on (fat in the nose and taper to the tail) was primarily my nose-centric stance, and yet I still needed longer wheelbase (28"+) for a distance cadence that matches the miles-long ride. Besides, I've always liked the aesthetic of nose-riding surfboards, and cutaways and tapers at the tail that imply a little more sportiness and speed.
Still, all that said, there are several pump stances and strategies, riders differ greatly in preferences. Take a cue from slalom -- Roe makes Bottle Rockets, S-camber cutaways, and decks that are wide from nose to tail, stiff to flexy. While the 'Comet' is so far my best shape, I'd expect skumping decks to have many variants someday!!
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loaded deck
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On 3/6/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.138.nnn.nnn)
I'm sure you know that a 'loaded deck' can also imply cheating?
Sorry for being paranoid, its normaly far past my bedtime when i first see your posts.
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hahaha
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On 3/6/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.138.nnn.nnn)
Sorry for being a bit thick, the crossover of some sayings dont quite translate, i'm sure i have used phrases in the past that you guys and girls have not really got??
I'm pretty amazed that with the amount of miles between us, that 2 decks could be so similar, although i think the art of skumping was always going to need one dailed in shape?
Hey Peters, how about that oak veneer, that would be the biz!
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Figure of Speech
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On 3/5/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.116.nnn.nnn)
A "loaded deck" is an expression used to describe something that promises good things, such a deck of cards that you get to control. I understand that "deck" can be misleading. Same thing with "loaded".
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Flatwave
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On 3/5/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
munchh, keep us posted on your plans with that prototype - great shape, looks like there's a trend here! Maybe with a darker stain and your artsy griptape cuts like on your other decks, you could chop out a few - this could go a long way to getting a few more skumpers up on your boards over there!!
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Just like flying?
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On 3/5/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.138.nnn.nnn)
The girls have got it down,
i remember that feeling.
Wicked.
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pupping deck
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On 3/5/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Decks, clothes, stickers, and dog walking accoutrements, all thats needed now are some pink wheels -- shameless indeed! ;-)
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That deck?
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On 3/5/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.138.nnn.nnn)
What u mean??
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Pupping
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On 3/5/2006
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
United States
(66.116.nnn.nnn)
Skateboarding, girls, puppies, and the Brass's Spanish Flea? Tell me you didn't load that deck!
Shameless
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'Flatwave' fatboy
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On 3/5/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.138.nnn.nnn)
I Do feel i go on too much about my decks, but as you asked, its 43 3/4" long and 9 1/2" wide, the wheelbases need changing and im gonna fit the front truck further back on the nose, so anything from 25" to about 28", although its a little flexy to go any longer, its not as pretty as the LBL, but thats the life of a prototype?
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Munchh is so there!
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On 3/4/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Munchh, can I ask you to share your latest long distance pumper? I think others would be interested in and impressed with your board building skills too.
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pupping!
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On 3/4/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Oh my gawd, that is so good James!!! We must've watched your clip ten times. Sweet! And great choice of music for it too!
Pupping rules!
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alternative to pumping
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On 3/4/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
PUPPING
Erin, I figured you'd probably appreciate this one the most. ;-) Can't wait to hear your upcoming 'piper impressions!
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LBL Sandpiper YOWZA
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On 3/4/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
That is some amazing "performance art" -- nice job Erin and Larry!! I had to change parental controls on my browser to view it! ;-) I'm also replacing my drool bucket every 15 minutes or so, as Larry's currently cutting out something similar that I hope to pick up in Salem -- I really dug the pop on his 43" cruiser and shot mods over to him a while back. Erin, we have GOT to meet up on a trail on these, in a month or so!! Congrats on your upcoming pumpilicious arrival!
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LBL
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On 3/4/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.138.nnn.nnn)
Looking sweet Erin.
Oh yeah, Oh yeah!
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Sandpiper? Psh... SandPUMPER
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On 3/4/2006
Mr. Zogs
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
Rockin' fabric choice! The deck looks saweet! Looks to be an awesome shape for skumping and your setup is gonna rock! So when is LBL going to start a team? Cause you and Peters are seeming to be the first members he would add!
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LBL Sandpiper
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On 3/4/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
I'm about two weeks away from planting my feet on this new LongboardLarry long distance pumping deck. But I just had to sneak in a preview of the board for you guys here.
Larry has patiently worked on this design for a few months now. He tried quite a few variations until we/he came up with a prototype that we think will work well for this new disciple.
The deck should come in at around 43 inches with three wb options allowing me to customize the flex. The board in the photo is baltic birch although Larry is also experimenting with bamboo birch combos to see how the bambirch will work for skumping.
I think Larry intends to add this board to his line up but for more info you could contact him directly.
The board is in the mail right now and undoubtedly it will be held up at customs for a while as the guys there just can't resist a beautiful longboard and they tend to marvel over it for a while before releasing it to its rightful, and impatiently waiting, owner.
I will be sure to give you a complete review of how the board skates as soon as I get it and have it set up with my Carver CX's and big, fat, soft Avilas.
Let me know what you think of it so far.
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dream LDP setups
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On 3/3/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Sean that's pretty close to whats comin' up on the next 41" RoeRacing deck! Also appears to be some rumors of a truck that should be very "fluid" and maybe flow like "water" in the near future, right?? ;-) Until then the CX or Splits with Khiro white barrel/cone combos are sweet. I've tried some nice hourglass stock bushings from the GUS truck, the "poor man's Radikal", but only in T/S so far.
The toe stop/foam pad thing can be combined if you like, that gets really into personal prefs and fortunately is one of the least expensive mods to play around with! My Roe LDP deck has PPS wedge in the back heel and front toe making a "custom camber" - and the front wedge, plus a hand-made bolt-bushing toe stop also acts as a good substitute for the TNR, just not as adjustable. But LOCKED in!
Well, you've got snow on the ground, I'm on the injured list for the moment, long posts are good ;-)
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Best LDP Setup Ever?
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On 3/3/2006
Mr Zogs (Sean C)
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
Hmmm... This is probably going to be pretty darn out there... anywho
Deck -
Turner SummerSki type Construction - Light Weight; A small yet effective Camber that is EXCELLENT for Fast & Long Term Acceleration; Mild Concave; board length around 40" or so by around 9" give or take; 26" - 28" wheelbase; at least 3" of wide nose
Trucks -
Radikal Dragon Claw + Carver CX = Crazy Hybrid Breed Truck
or maybe a Splitfire type Carver CX? That'd be nuts as well. Well, why not go for it all... Bearings in the pivot and bushing seat... Just for style points... then again, what would that feel like when pumping? Much smoother and flowier? Of course the truck should be cnc milled or forged to be light weight and have 8mm axles as well
Bushings -
Hmmm... What style in this case? I've heard Holey bushings' hourglass shape is incredible in that it allows for a super deep turn, while still offering great rebound. Then again, it can't have the same rebound as a deep thick barrel, can it? So for the bottom bushings, I'd say an hourglass or barrel bushing poured in some high rebound thane such as the Reflex stuff. For the top, I personally like barrels on top because they seem to allow a nice deep carve better than a conical, but thats just my opinion. also that should be in a nice high rebound thane such as reflex stuff.
Wheels -
76mm Lotta Thane wheel; Duro from 75-78a; Sounds alot like Chaput's future 77a Reflex Gumballs... HIGH GRIP AND HIGH HIGH REBOUND
Bearings -
Ceramic (just for the hell of it, also there would be less likely chance of friction building up in the bearing after like, 3 hours of nonstop pumping) Biltin style bearings, with a thin fast lube; The bearings would have deep inner races so that they really accelerate a noticable amount in each pump, while still having a high top speed; Seals instead of shields for ease of cleaning, and delrin ball retainers?
Griptape -
Gritty Gritty Gritty tape -> The tape that comes on insects and roes... That stuff RULES
A toe stop? -
TNR Adjustable toe stop... or maybe one that you can actually move somehow while your riding; move it into position for an uphill climb, then back for flatland; as we all know, ease of changing stances and positions on the board is a must
Foam blocks anywhere? -
Maybe a gradual "gas pedal" type foam block on the kick? I always like the feel of my back foot supported in a pump... then again, it could get annoying after awhile...
Rimz? -
Gotta keep them fancy schmancy bearings clean. Also a plus -> Added style points!
Oh, another must - Shock Pads! -
Gotta keep the ride smooth; Those fat hunks of thane called wheels are great for cushyness, but a nice thick shockpad under each truck does wonders
Okay, I'll admit, alot of this stuff is outrageous and crazy, but who cares! I'm sitting here at home, with snow covering the ground AGAIN, having nothing to do but ramble. Still neat to think about it...
Oh yeah, Chris, I just got some 70mm Lemon & Lime ZigZags and I must say. Holy hell, THEY ROCK!!! Having a set of Manx, Hotspots, Grippins, and ridden sets of Avalons, Avilas, Cambrias, and even back to Hyper Stradas, this things take the cake for best slalom wheels. The grip is amazing for the duros, and the rebound is excellent! Definitely excellent wheels. I also got my 2nd set of Biltins, this time Abec 7, once again I have to say great product. There's no match to built in spacers as far as precision goes (well, in terms of ease of use - nobody really feels like trying to track down precision spacers for like, 15 bucks for 4). Why can't the skate community be full of companies that care more about making an excellent product rather than just making money?
This post is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too long... Yeah welp.
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