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Toe sides
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On 12/20/2004
Jogger
wrote in from
Australia
(202.63.nnn.nnn)
Hey Paul, I taught myself toesides about 2 months ago. I found that I really had to concentrate on turning rather than sliding. Get used to loading up the toeside edge of your board and gradually turn harder. When you go to grab your board I've found that if I grab just behind my front foot I can control the slide (slightly) better, cause there's more weight at the back. Be wary, with toe sides you have alot of weight at the front of the deck so the back flips around real quick. Good luck with it
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wheels
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On 12/20/2004
joseph
wrote in from
Australia
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thanks but unfortunately i already have the trucks so with the deck i'm using avila's are way to wide. gumballs are the widest wheels i can use. have you ridden strikers? it's between them and gumballs.
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Joseph
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On 12/20/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
Joseph,
I think the 88s are a little hard if you are looking for a good "soft" wheel. I think the same wheel in about 84 makes a big difference. For what I think is the best large soft wheel for grip that still slides well, try the 3-DM Avilas. Get the 80a set. It is truly amazing how well these wheels stand up to the abuse of sliding, without flat spotting. They will give you great life for your money. Remember, with any soft wheel, you have to scrub/slide off the shine on the wheels surface before you get a predictable slide. All it takes to do this is to hook your back shoe against the edge of your deck when doing your first few slides.
Good luck Joseph. Say hello to the crew in OZ.
Cliff Coleman
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mid range wheel
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On 12/19/2004
joseph
wrote in from
Australia
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just wondering what your favourite soft downhill sliding wheel is. i want something 70mm plus that is flatspot resistant and still has a little bit of grip and a smoothish ride. i am going to go for 88a gummies unless you have a better alternative?
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Costa Rica Surf Trip
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On 12/19/2004
Magoo
wrote in from
United States
(24.126.nnn.nnn)
Cliff,
The guys at Swaylocks.com should be able to help you out. Hit the discussion boards and post all of your questions.The aloha spirit is alive and well at that site and I would bet money that your questions about a Costa trip would be answered quickly.
Been lurking for some time and want to thank you for the good information that you share. I've surfed Costa several times but it has been with away from the mainstream areas - sorry I couldn't be of more help.
Magoo
Surf by Day,
Skate by Night...
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Slider Gloves
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On 12/19/2004 Bled
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
Gravity is going to start selling sergio yuppie sliding gloves
go check out the forum for more info.
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pucks rule!
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On 12/19/2004 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
cliff ,you just go to damn slow. Those gravity guys haul ass, they go so fast that if they get pitched , they've got plenty of time to get those pucks out of their pockets before they hit the street,recently they started using old style cellphones as slider gloves,they dial the "9" and a "1"at the start of a run and then they just got to hit a one on the way to the street:) Dis-claimer,no dis-intended, no way does this post suggest that i feel that the gravity dudes don't skate well.
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Thanx
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On 12/19/2004
Márcio
wrote in from
Brazil
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Cliff
Thanx for the pic links.
Have fun and slide hard!!!
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Marc F
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On 12/19/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(67.120.nnn.nnn)
Marc,
The "Bear Paws", are the most durable. It is a welder's glove with pucks attached with velcro. I use their other model. It is sleeker and better looking and works fine. It's a little more in cost because the glove that they start with is a more expensive glove.
What you saw on the Gravity video, was a bad example regarding sliding and safety. One of their team riders made himself a sliding piece/puck that was curved so he could hold onto it wwhile sliding. He would then sometimes puyt it in his pocket while riding but not sliding. If he were to be suddenlu pitched for any reason, he would never get to that puck in his pocket. He would also only use one puck and transfer hands when needed. If a rider gets pitched, he/she needs plastic on BOTH hands! Lastly, what happens if said rider were to drop the puck? As soon as he was past the speed that he can sprint, he would be in a lot of trouble.
These are the reasons that I think that one particular puck design is dangerous and should not be tried, promoted etc.
Cliff Coleman
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Slider Gloves
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On 12/19/2004
Marc F
wrote in from
United States
(205.188.nnn.nnn)
Cliff, do you use the Bear Paws? I was also wondering if they sell the replacement pads? I saw on the Gravity video that some of the guys just had a big piece of plastic material in their hands instead of the gloves. What are they using? Thanks Marc
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Where to buy slider gloves.
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On 12/19/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
Marc F,
You can do a search using that function here on "ncdsa". There are a few companies that make them. My personal favorites are from "Timeshipracing.com".
Cliff Coleman
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Slider Gloves?
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On 12/18/2004
Marc F
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
Where do I buy slider gloves?
Thanks
Marc
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Answer for Paul.
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On 12/18/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
Paul,
I would learn the heel-side slides first. With heel-side slides, you are looking in the direction you are going. It's easier to see traffic than with toe-side slides. If you fall when doing a heel-side slide, you fall forward usually and can more easily get on your hands. If a rider falls in a toe-side slide, they could get thrown to their back and possibly to their head. All riders, wear your helmet, especially on toe-side slides. Paul, if you want to learn the toe-side slide, start in a parking garage. Do one after another until you get them down. If your shoulder is problematic, you could slide to the smooth concrete and stop, probably without hurting the shoulder if you start slowly enough.
Good luck,
Cliff Coleman
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Dislocating left shoulders
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On 12/18/2004 Pauliwog
wrote in from
United States
(64.5.nnn.nnn)
Hey Cliff, hopefully soon I'll get my act in gear and learn to slide "hands down" mostly as a speed control/safety issue. Frontside or heelside works OK with me, the problem is sliding toeside/backside and using my trailing arm (I'm goofy foot so we're talking about my left arm/shoulder). I can do backside Bertlemans on banks just fine, but that's with a stationary hand-plant. What worries me is downhill travel sliding toeside/backside using my left arm and it's unstable left shoulder. Would it be better to try to use both hands to learn toeside slides or just skip it and stay frontside/heelside where I'm not putting my arm into a bad position and learn to pendulum then slide backwards/fakie in order to make a left turn while sliding? Oh by the way, "The Big Hill" G/S spot is getting lots of Pine Siskins and the Oregon Grape still has some red fall leaves showing- just for you man. Later and good surfing -Paul
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way to go cliff!
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On 12/18/2004 Michael Brooke
wrote in from
Canada
(209.29.nnn.nnn)
Cliff
I am so pleased you have your own forum...it couldn't have happened to a more deserving person...Cliff Coleman is THE slide ruler!
cheers and happy holidays
Michael
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A Clinic for South San Jose.
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On 12/18/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(68.127.nnn.nnn)
Judy,
I'd be happy to run a clinic in South San Jose. I don't have my calendar set yet, but let's talk again about it after my trip. I'll be back and ready to schedule a clinic after 1-27-05.
Thanks,
Cliff
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Slide Clinic Nor Cal
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On 12/18/2004 Judi O
wrote in from
United States
(69.105.nnn.nnn)
Cliff,
Congrats on your slide safety section. I'd like to help get a clinic set up in South San Jose. Any dates available after your trip?
Have fun surfing!
Happy Holidays!
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Garage!!!
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On 12/17/2004
Miko
wrote in from
United States
(69.85.nnn.nnn)
Hey Cliff... We're doing the garage thing again sunday 7pm, meet ar Mark's. Hopefully we'll have Eli, Sully and crew down to make it competitive, and most surely, you and I need a rematch without all that extra traffic! Hope to see you sunday!
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sliding
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On 12/17/2004 herbn
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
DH sliding became part of my skating around 82 or som,i'd seen someone do it even pror to the powell vids. Around that time i started making custom wrap around tailskids for my self and custom shaped skids for all the hammerhead ect ect shapes of the daym,rails and risers too. All out of uhmw or HDPE,i definitely remember my first DH sliding work,it was a piece of uhmw molded with a torch into sort of a wrist guard looking shape then holes were drilled on either side of the wrist section and those fat shoe laces were laced through,mi just slipped my hand through and hooked one loop with my thumb,that tightened everything up a bit and off i was. Slidestyle has two variations;race style, putting down a hand while entering a corner,ideally as light as possible just to stabilize things if the wheels drift a bit out of control. Then there's frestyle sliding "freesliding" ,all slides ever done on banks or vert or reg street,can be drawn out on steep hills,every slide can be done reg and switch,speed is a matter of nerve talent and willingness to execute your wheels. For many years i only did slide style when i had a set of wheels that needed killing. My favorite slide is one that i'm pretty sure i invented ,perhaps someone did an unknowing paralell invention ,but for quite a few years now i've liked the bertailslide;you throw a long slide close to a curb and stretch it into a tail slide or aim to ram the curb,you come out before stopping. I have accidently gone into grinds and lipslides. You use the wheels you would normally use to dh for racestyle. While cliff seems to prefer 95a i see that point ,but i can work with the traction of some of the new vert wheelsm,i like 60mm ricta burnquists.These hard as rock wheelsare like 60d or whatever, they let you transfer from one slide to the next seamlessly,combo slides.
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Cliff needs vacation help.
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On 12/16/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(67.120.nnn.nnn)
Who can guide me to a hookup with the right people/places for my up-coming vacation to Costa Rica? I'll be there from 1-12 to 1-26. I want to surf and it's been a long time! Anyone here know someone that runs a surf shop there? Is anyone in Costa Rica reading this? Would you like to hang out during my visit? Let me know.
Come on guys, hook me up please.
Cliff Coleman
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Dave's set-up.
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On 12/16/2004
Cliff Coleman
wrote in from
United States
(67.120.nnn.nnn)
Dave,
Your set-up sounds fine for learning. I'm not sure about your wheels, some have said the Bombers chatter/skip some when sliding. If that happens to you, just change to a better wheel and try again.
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Starter/gear
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On 12/16/2004 Dave
wrote in from
United States
(67.168.nnn.nnn)
How well would my old park
gear work for learning to slide?
33x9.5x15.5/64mm bowl bombers PF/166 Indy's
Would a longer deck 36" be better? I will not be
going fast while learning.
Thanks
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The UK is Slide tastic mate!
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On 12/16/2004
Alex
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(62.3.nnn.nnn)
Yo yo congratulations Cliff the Forum is awesome.
Sliding is reaching new hights down here in Cornwall we were walking into town the other day and saw a car park of about 20 kids (Boys and Girls) all wearing slide gloves and practicing their slide moves. WE WERE TOTALY STOKED!
For all of you out there, we are working on a new website were you will be able to view new movies, new tricks, slide products, Slide and DH skools, forums, galleries etc.
If you want to view some video's and pictures of Cliff's excellent slide clinic here in Cornwall check out, www.faltownskateboards.com and www.darksliders.com. If you can get extreme TV on cable look out for GEN-Ex on 15th and 16th of January 2005 for a feature on Cliff in Cornwall.
Cliff hope to see you end of january in Berkley I'll try and give you a call mate.
Best wishes and seasions greatings to you all
Alex and Chris (Faltown Skateboards)
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oops
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On 12/15/2004
Civ
wrote in from
Canada
(24.141.nnn.nnn)
http://tctf.mine.nu/vid_gal/index.html
try this link.
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540 slide
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On 12/15/2004
Civ
wrote in from
Canada
(24.141.nnn.nnn)
Here is a link to to little clip my girlfriend shot of a little 540. This was just after I lerned how to do them. I can post a 360 too if anyone wants.
http://tctf.mine.nu/vid_gal/Various%20new%20s#@!!%20540.mov
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