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On 3/27/2003
msk
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"...The US does not take a NIMBY attitude towards rogue leaders/killers, they have given financial and military aid to countries all over the world for decades. Whats wrong with that? If the US didnt, then you can be sure that this world would have many more wars going on, more famine, more killers/leaders, and more third world countries, is this what we need around the world?..."
One of the problems is that the US continually gives money, aid, and weapons to those "killers/leaders" as well. We financed and supported Hussein and bin Laden, because as bad as we knew they were, we figured their enemies were worse (Iran and the USSR, respectively). The same scenarios have been going on in South America for decades as well. Some of the wars and famine going on around the world are the direct result of our interventions...
"...Sometimes it takes action before a reaction. Had Clinton takin action against Binladen when he had the oppurtunity then we wouldnt be reacting like we are now..."
Once again, our problems stemmed from our interventions. If Reagan and Bush had taken action against bin Laden in the 80s, or at least never supplied him with weapons, money and training in the first place, he might not have ever been a threat. From the beginning he made threats against the US, but we still considered him an ally and continued supplying him, because he was against the Soviet Union. Our government knew that he would direct his attentions toward the US after the Soviets had been driven out of Afghanistan, but we continued to support him. "An acceptable risk" is what the CIA called him. I'm sure that's a comfort to the families of the victims of 9/11...
"...We dont need Iraqs oil, we dont need a vast wasteland of sand, what we need is the peace of knowing that Weapons of mass destruction isnt gonna be used on anybody, includeing France, Germany and Russia. These country have put $$$$$$$$ signs above peace and freedom, If I was you I would be upset that my country has forfited my life for $$$$$$..."
Iraq has these weapons of mass destruction partly because we (or at least a few of our major corporations) *did* put $$$$$ above peace and freedom. American Type Culture Collection sold several shipments of anthrax and other biological toxins to Iraq between '85 and '89. Phillips Petroleum and Alcolac International sold Iraq the key ingredients to make mustard gas (used against the Kurds in 1988). The US Center for Disease Control and Prevention sent several shipments of West Nile virus in '85. Other components of these weapons were sold by companies headed at the time by the likes of Cheney and Rumsfeld. Once again, a hands-off approach probably would've been in our best interests...
"...I live in Southern California, our water supply comes from 12 hours away in Northern California, All it would take is less then 1 ounce of one of Saddams many weapons of mass destruction to wipe out Californias water supply, we would loose all of our crops, and California would become a baron wasteland..."
Iraq isn't the only threat. There are disgruntled people in every country in the world, including ours, that are capable of terrorist attacks. Oklahoma City and the east coast anthrax attacks are proof of that. Some experts believe that Iraq doesn't pose as much of a threat of terrorist attacks as disenfranchised Americans do. While I can't complain about the goal of taking out Hussein, the reality is that this could very likely result in more terrorist attacks against us. If not from Iraq, then from sympathetic countries or organizations. Despite Bush's claims to the contrary, we are probably (at least for the near future) going to be less secure, rather than more. As long as our business interests continue to drive our foreign policies, history will likely continue to repeat itself...
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On 3/27/2003 Ross
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Arab, I understand the threat posed by terrorists far more than you. I happen to live in a town that has been bombed by the IRA serveral times. I also live next to a main military town in the UK that has also been bombed. In the UK we have lived with real attacks, not just threats, for years (and no, this is not relating to 911 in a 'we have more attacks than you' way, just that we have a long history of terrorists here). My argument with this war is the reason the troops were sent in; if it had been stated that it was to free an oppressed people then I'd be more inclined to to support it; but no, the official reason for the war has always been the UN resolution issue, nothing else. While various people have tried to link Iraq with terrorist groups this has been unfounded (so much so that the UK security services even denounced it as spin). If Iraq happened to be in Europe (like the balken states) then I'm sure the reasons would change. As I stated before I'll continue to support our troops, but I would like our government to stand up and give us the REAL reasons for the war and not just the UN crap. As for Russia and Afganistan, how about Vietnam (yet one more huge waste of lives on both sides)?
Nice to see that you can actually post without insulting everyone, keep it up.
Ross
Taekwon!
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On 3/26/2003
Arab
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Nima-"Let the darn Iraqis fight their own war of liberation... "
Think we shoud have done that in the previous wars we fought in? Had we not, all of Europe could just as well of been called Germany and the UK Hitlerville today. We didnt have to go there or anywhere else, The US does not take a NIMBY attitude towards rogue leaders/killers, they have given financial and military aid to countries all over the world for decades. Whats wrong with that? If the US didnt, then you can be sure that this world would have many more wars going on, more famine, more killers/leaders, and more third world countries, is this what we need around the world?
Ross-"The troops are not giving their lives so that I can be free, I am free now, Iraq poses no real threat to me or my country. "
NIMBY?
I live in Southern California, our water supply comes from 12 hours away in Northern California, All it would take is less then 1 ounce of one of Saddams many weapons of mass destruction to wipe out Californias water supply, we would loose all of our crops, and California would become a baron wasteland, being the fact that Californias ecomomy exceeds 90% of the nations around the world, this would be a devestaing blow to not only california, but to the world. You have to look at the big picture, which most people in these debates fail to do. I think you should be extremely greatful that your govt and its leaders have sent troops to Iraq, afterall had the President not made the decision, then your life would be in danger, though it is anyways, lets hope that Saddam hasnt supplied some terrorist with Weapons that could waste your whole family in one fell swoop. Reality sucks I know!!!!!! Sometimes it takes action before a reaction. Had Clinton takin action against Binladen when he had the oppurtunity then we wouldnt be reacting like we are now. Had Bin Laden not have killed 3000 people in 4 different terrorist attacks, then we wouldnt have had to go into Afghanistan to find him, Had Saddam gotten rid of the Weapons that the UN told him to get rid of, we wouldnt be in there right now. If you are a US citizen, you have a target on your forhead, you my friend are an infadel, you are not safe anywhere, not because of your president, but because you are an American. Reality Sucks Again!
J. Hughes- God Bless You!!!!!!!
Dom-"How many colarteral victims for that????"
What do you call the hundreds of thousands of Iraqis that Saddam has killed? What do you call the Hundreds of thousands of Kurds he Gassed? Are these just more collateral victims?
"Americans are jalous of France, Germany and Russia just because they don't leave enough place for those poor little Americans companys in Iraq"
If I remember correctly, The US economy exceeds these 3 countries. We dont need Iraqs oil, we dont need a vast wasteland of sand, what we need is the peace of knowing that Weapons of mass destruction isnt gonna be used on anybody, includeing France, Germany and Russia. These country have put $$$$$$$$ signs above peace and freedom, If I was you I would be upset that my country has forfited my life for $$$$$$. I would also be thankful that the US and UK along with its allies are out protecting you and your country and your neighbors and his neighbor and so on.
I'm happy that Germany didnt get involved though, They need not after what they went thru just some 50 some odd yrs ago.
I'm Happy the French didnt get involved because the White flag would have come out already and we would have had to save them again.
Russia couldnt even take out an unorginized Afghan military.
Leave it to the Proffesionals!
I'm going to go have some Freedom Fries!
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On 3/26/2003 Nima
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Our troops give their lives and take lives because they have no choice. They do it because they are told. They are soldiers and disciplined and that is their job. The don't have the right to question an order--on the other hand, us the citizens have the right to question the decision made by another civilian in charge of the military. There is no question in my mind that whether you are for or against the war, the support for those boys and girls who are sent there in the desert is un-questioned. The support for the Civilian in Charge is another question...
n.b. As a patriot, I like to see all the military personel brought back home safely and in one peace. Let the darn Iraqis fight their own war of liberation...
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On 3/26/2003 Ross
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The troops are not giving their lives so that I can be free, I am free now, Iraq poses no real threat to me or my country. They may be giving their lives so that the Iraqi people can be free of Saddam, but that is not what the war is meant to be about, it is meant to be about punishing those who break UN resolutions, something Israel has done more times than Iraq (68 I believe) yet the USA increases the aid to Israel rather than bomb it. I have no love for Saddam and no hatred for Israel but it does just seem a little bit like dual standards.
And for the record I will support our troops whatever they do, but I won't support the government that sent them there.
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On 3/26/2003
J.Hughes
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WAR::: No matter if you support the war or not, SUPPORT the Men and Women who are giving their lives so you can be FREE.
REMEMBER: YOUR FREEDOM IS NOT FREE, Someone gave their LIFE for YOU>>>>>> GOD BLESS AMERICA.....
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On 3/26/2003
Dom-de-mars
wrote in from
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Arab
Are you trying to tell us that it's a war against the interest of all those countrys, or maybe that the Americans are jalous of France, Germany and Russia just because they don't leave enough place for those poor little Americans companys in IRAQ.
No for sure, they are just fighting for freedom....
and after that war, the Iraq people will be free:
To acclaim the Americans soldiers
To love USA
To drink Coca Cola
To listen Britney Spears
to eat at Mc Donald that greassy food.
and all that for just few tons of petrol
How many colarteral victims for that????
I remind you that your governement has already signed a contract with an American Company for the reconstruction of the port of BASRAH.
I know that you don't have the same news as the rest of the world. CNN is no more in Bagdad for few days now.
I am not against USA, I love your country, that I visited many times, I went to the winter Olympics games last year and spend a small fortune just to support the tourism of your country witch was in bad shape beacause pleople were affraid to take an airplane.
But please open your eyes. A war could'nt be all good.
To finish I am sure that France and USA will still be friend in 2000 years. The freindship betwen our country dates from Benjamin FRANKLIN, and if even sometimes it's not easy, France is not your ennemy. France is also a land of FREEDOM, Benjamin Franklin knew that...
PS: exuse my poor English, It's not easy to translate perfectly my mind. But I am sure that you understand me .
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On 3/26/2003 Nima
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Just FYI:
http://power.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.forbes.com/home%5Feurope/newswire/2003/03/06/rtr900049.html
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/6/24/80648.shtml
http://www.public-i.org/story_01_080200.htm
I just find it intereting...
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On 3/26/2003
Mike
wrote in from
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Hello
Very nice site . I have already bookmarked it. Best wishes for You, Mike
Me
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On 3/25/2003 ross
wrote in from
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As Arab is so keen on facts, here are a few more on who kept Saddam in power. I'll only post the link as the material is under copyright (also means you get to see all of it rather than selective bits).
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A52241-2002Dec29?language=printer
And before I'm shot down in flames, I don't hate the USA (in fact I don't hate any country, but I do despise certain governments) and have no love for Saddam; I do like to see the whole picture before jumping in the deep end though.
Ross
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On 3/25/2003 Tommy Jefferson
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Quoting the Herritage Foundation for "facts" is a lot like only riding a popsicle stick and toe-flipping all the time...sure it might be fun and align with yer point of view, but it isn't very all encompasing now is it?
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On 3/25/2003
Arab
wrote in from
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Facts on Who Benefits From Keeping Saddam Hussein In Power
by The Heritage Foundation
WebMemo #217
February 28, 2003
France
According to the CIA World Factbook, France controls over 22.5 percent
of Iraq's imports.[1] French total trade with Iraq under the
oil-for-food program is the third largest, totaling $3.1 billion since
1996, according to the United Nations.
[2] In 2001 France became Iraq's largest European trading partner.
Roughly 60 French companies do an estimated $1.5 billion in trade with
Baghdad annually under the U.N. oil-for-food program.
[3] France's largest oil company, Total Fina Elf, has negotiated a deal
to develop the Majnoon field in western Iraq. The Majnoon field
purportedly contains up to 30 billion barrels of oil.[4] Total Fina Elf
also negotiated a deal for future oil exploration in Iraq's Nahr Umar
field. Both the Majnoon and Nahr Umar fields are estimated to contain as
much as 25 percent of the country's reserve.
[5] France's Alcatel company, a major telecom firm, is negotiating a $76
million contract to rehabilitate Iraq's telephone system. [6] From 1981
to 2001, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research
Institute (SIPRI), France was responsible for over 13 percent of Iraq's
arms imports.[7
Germany
Direct trade between Germany and Iraq amounts to about $350 million
annually, and another $1 billion is reportedly sold through third
parties [8] It has recently been reported that Saddam Hussein has
ordered Iraqi domestic businesses to show preference to German companies
as a reward for Germany's "firm positive stand in rejecting the
launching of a military attack against Iraq." It was also reported that
over 101 German companies were present at the Baghdad Annual exposition.
[9] During the 35th Annual Baghdad International Fair in November 2002,
a German company signed a contract for $80 million for 5,000 cars and
spare parts [10] In 2002, DaimlerChrysler was awarded over $13 million
in contracts for German trucks and spare parts. [11] German officials
are investigating a German corporation accused of illegally channeling
weapons to Iraq via Jordan. The equipment in question is used for boring
the barrels of large cannons and is allegedly intended for Saddam
Hussein's Al Fao Supercannon project.[12]
Russia
According to the CIA World Factbook, Russia controls roughly 5.8 percent
of Iraq's annual imports.[13] Under the U.N. oil-for-food program,
Russia's total trade with Iraq was somewhere between $530 million and $1
billion for the six months ending in December of 2001.[14]
According to the Russian Ambassador to Iraq, Vladimir Titorenko, new
contracts worth another $200 million under the U.N. oil-for-food program
are to be signed over the next three months.[15]
Soviet-era debt of $7 billion through $8 billion was generated by arms
sales to Iraq during the 1980-1988 Iran-Iraq war.
Russia's LUKoil negotiated a $4 billion, 23-year contract in 1997 to
rehabilitate the 15 billion-barrel West Qurna field in southern Iraq.
Work on the oil field was expected to commence upon cancellation of U.N.
sanctions on Iraq. The deal is currently on hold.[16]
In October 2001, Salvneft, a Russian-Belarus company, negotiated a $52
million service contract to drill at the Tuba field in Southern
Iraq.[17]
In April 2001, Russia's Zaruezhneft company received a service contract
to drill in the Saddam, Kirkuk, and Bai Hassan fields to rehabilitate
the fields and reduce water incursion.
A future $40 billion Iraqi-Russian economic agreement, reportedly signed
in 2002, would allow for extensive oil exploration opportunities
throughout western Iraq.[18] The proposal calls for 67 new projects,
over a 10-year time frame, to explore and further develop fields in
southern Iraq and the Western Desert, including the Suba, Luhais, West
Qurna, and Rumaila projects. Additional projects added to the deal
include second-phase construction of a pipeline running from southern to
northern Iraq, and extensive drilling and gas projects. Work on these
projects would commence upon cancellation of sanctions.[19]
Russia's Gazprom company over the past few years has signed contracts
worth $18 million to repair gas stations in Iraq.[20]
The former Soviet Union was the premier supplier of Iraqi arms. From
1981 to 2001, Russia supplied Iraq with 50 percent of its arms.[21]
China
According to the CIA World Factbook, China controls roughly 5.8 percent
of Iraq's annual imports.[22]
China National Oil Company, partnered with China North Industries Corp.,
negotiated a 22-year-long deal for future oil exploration in the Al
Ahdab field in southern Iraq.[23]
In recent years, the Chinese Aero-Technology Import-Export Company
(CATIC) has been contracted to sell "meteorological satellite" and
"surface observation" equipment to Iraq. This contract was approved by
the U.N. oil-for-food program.[24]
CATIC also won approval from the U.N. in July 2000 to sell $2 million
worth of fiber optic cables. This and similar contracts approved were
disguised as telecommunications gear. These cables can be used for
secure data and communications links between national command and
control centers and long-range search radar, targeting radar, and
missile-launch units, according to U.S. officials. In addition, China
National Electric Wire & Cable and China National Technical Import
Telecommunications Equipment Company are believed to have sold Iraq $6
million and $15.5 million worth of communications equipment and other
unspecified supplies, respectively.[25]
According to a report from SIPRI, from 1981 to 2001, China was the
second largest supplier of weapons and arms to Iraq, supplying over 18
percent of Iraq's weapons imports.[26]
[1]Central Intelligence Agency, The World Factbook 2002, at
[2]Jon Talton, "French Ideals and Profits in the Iraqi Triangle", The
Arizona Republic, February 23, 2003.
[3]Jon Talton, "French Ideals and Profits in the Iraqi Triangle," The
Arizona Republic, February 23, 2003.
[4]Kenneth Katzman, Iraq: Oil-for-Food Program, International Sanctions,
and Illicit Trade, Congressional Research Service, September 26, 2002.
[5]Kenneth Katzman, Iraq: Oil-for-Food Program, International Sanctions,
and Illicit Trade, Congressional Research Service, September 26, 2002.
[6]Evelyn Iritani, "Hussein's Government Signs Lucrative Contracts,
Especially with Nations that Oppose the U.S. Led Effort to Oust the
Regime," The Los Angeles Verdana,Arial,Helvetica, November 11, 2002.
[7]Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
(SIPRI), "Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001,"
[8]David R. Sands, "France, Germany Protect Iraq Ties," The Washington
Verdana,Arial,Helvetica, February 20, 2003.
[9]David R. Sands, "France, Germany Protect Iraq Ties," The Washington
Verdana,Arial,Helvetica, February 20, 2003.
[10]"Africa Analysis-Trade Points Way to Peace", The Financial
Verdana,Arial,Helvetica: Asia Africa Intelligence Wire, November 19,
2002.
[11]Faye Bowers, "Driving Forces in War-Wary Nations: The Stances of
France, Germany, Russia and China Are Colored by Economic and National
Interests," Christian Science Monitor, February 25, 2003.
[12]"Helping Saddam Rearm," The Wall Street Journal, October 11, 2002.
[13]Central Intelligence Agency, The World Factbook 2002,
[14]Testimony provided by Ariel Cohen to the House International
Relations Committee, "Russia and the Axis of Evil: Money, Ambition and
U.S. Interests," February 26, 2003.
[15]Nelli Sharushkina, "Russia Plays the Field in Iraq-Mixed Signals
Worry Baghdad," Energy Intelligence Briefing, February 5, 2003.
[16]Dan Morgan and David B. Ottaway, "In Iraqi War Scenario, Oil Is Key
Issue," The Washington Post, September 15, 2002.
[17]Dan Morgan and David B. Ottaway, "In Iraqi War Scenario, Oil Is Key
Issue," The Washington Post, September 15, 2002.
[18]Scott Peterson, "Russia's Newest Tie to Iraq: Moscow Is Set to Sign
a $40 billion Economic Pact with Baghdad Next Month," Christian Science
Monitor, August 20, 2002.
[19]"Mideast Tensions to Delay Iraq Iraqi-Russian Signing," Energy
Compass, April 19, 2002.
[20]Dmitry Zhdannikov, "Russian's Grim About Working Under Saddam," The
Houston Chronicle, April 14, 2002.
[21]Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
(SIPRI), "Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001,"
[22]Central Intelligence Agency, The World Factbook 2002,
[23]Trish Saywell, "Oil: The Danger of Deals with Iraq," Far Eastern
Economic Review, March 6, 2003.
[24]Kenneth R. Timmerman, "Rogues Lending Hand to Saddam," Insight on
the News, March 4, 2003.
[25]Kenneth R. Timmerman, "Rogues Lending Hand to Saddam," Insight on
the News, March 4, 2003.
[26]Information from Stockholm International Peace Research Institute
(SIPRI), "Arms Transfers to Iraq, 1981-2001,"
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On 3/25/2003
Arab
wrote in from
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RE-ASSESSING THE THREAT: IRAQ WAS … ?
A Threat that required military action
Now
61%
3/7-9
50%
A threat that could have been contained:
Now
32%
3/7-9
41%
Faced with a possibly lengthening war, one in three Americans would take even stronger action against Iraq than the U.S. military is right now. Though a majority says the U.S. is using the right amount of force in Iraq, there was a jump among those interviewed on Sunday in the share that thought the U.S. should be using even more force. This sentiment is particularly strong among men: 40 percent of men now think the U.S. should use more force, while 27 percent of women do.
U.S.’ USE OF FORCE IN IRAQ IS…
Right amount:
Sunday
53%
Saturday
58%
Too much:
Sunday
5%
Saturday
10%
Not enough:
Sunday
33%
Saturday
20%
While they are starting to wonder about the length of the war, Americans overwhelmingly believe it is going well. 88 percent say it is.
HOW IS WAR GOING FOR U.S.?
Going well
88%
Going badly
9%
SUPPORT FOR THE WAR
Americans still overwhelmingly approve of U.S. involvement in Iraq and the goal of removing Saddam Hussein from power – and that sentiment appears to have increased a bit on Sunday. 80 percent of those interviewed on Sunday said they approved of U.S. military action to remove Saddam Hussein from power there. Approval of action had remained stable at 76 percent for the first three days of fighting.
MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAQ
Approve:
Sunday
80%
Saturday
76%
Thursday-Friday
76%
Disapprove:
Sunday
17%
Saturday
22%
Thursday-Friday
20%
Americans also retain their belief that removing Saddam Hussein from power is worth the costs of the war – both the financial costs and the possible loss of life. Two out of three Americans continue to say that.
REMOVING SADDAM HUSSEIN WORTH THE COST?
Yes:
Sunday
66%
Saturday
66%
Thursday-Friday
62%
No:
Sunday
28%
Saturday
27%
Thursday-Friday
30%
More than two-thirds, 69 percent, also say they are proud of what the U.S. is doing in Iraq.
THE PRESIDENT’S APPROVAL RATINGS
As the battle rages in Iraq, Americans are rallying around President George W. Bush; his approval ratings continue to rise. This is even the case for the non-military aspect of his job, handling of the economy.
For the first time since July, a majority of Americans approve of the way George W. Bush is handling the economy. Three-quarters approve of his handling of the situation with Iraq.
THE PRESIDENT’S APPROVAL RATINGS
Overall:
Sunday
71%
Thursday-Saturday
67%
Last week
58%
Handling Iraq situation:
Sunday
75%
Thursday-Saturday
70%
Last week
55%
Handling of the economy:
Sunday
53%
Thursday-Saturday
48%
Last week
38%
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On 3/21/2003
Brady
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While I still have a few more minutes east coast time to post on the latest topic, I`d like to offer a theme as we go into the all kids, all girls (women) weekend.
I propose the we adult skaters make a concerted effort to bring a youngster to skate races, contests, events, if even as mere spectators.
My plans for tomorrow is to take my 14 yr old daughter up to Oelsner and see thier contest tomorrow. And she is excited to be going. Funny thing since she isn`t much of a skater. Mostly just takes my longboards out for a spin with her friends. But she has this thing about vert, park style skating that she can sit forever and just watch it.
Just an idea for all kids, all womaen (pc correct) weekends theme.
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On 3/21/2003
Brady
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Arab may have faux pas`d his post at it`s end, but I don`t read into it as tying religion into war. I think he was trying to answer two posts with one.
As for those that don`t believe in something, go outside, take a deep breath, look around, and give it any title you like. Call it god, or God. Call it reality. Call it whatever you like. Good and bad, it all exsists. Some put names on it and others are threatened because those others do. But to say there is no god is limiting your interpretation of the word.
Even if you took all of the symantics out, there`d still be wars. I still say I don`t like them but I do know they exsist.To say emphatically that no war should be, is plain silly, we ain`t evolved enough for real peace.
I know...I should be skating instead if posting...heh heh!!
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On 3/21/2003 Thomas Jeffreson
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Yes, Dom-de-mars, Arab speaks for everyone in the USA. We are all in lock-step behind president BunnyPants and his agression. And, we are all fun-da-mental-ist christians as well.
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On 3/21/2003
Dom-de-mars
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Arab
Are the American people becoming so racist?
Do you really think that this is a war against a religion?
are you really making fun with that situation, when probably even hundreds of children will die?
or are you just stupid?
I don't understand you.
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On 3/21/2003 mystery poster
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hey i remember scrumpy he was f#@!ed up totally!!!!! i remember him doing 12 hour shifts and, instead of going home to get a hard time off the wife hed just go to sleep on a pile of air hoses in the paint shed. 100% hardcore dock + dole!!!!!!!!!!
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On 3/21/2003 Chaquito fan
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Craig Chaquito!!! he reminded me of a guy who I used to work down the Docks with, he was called Scrumpy and regularly was seen drinkin rough cider or tequila at 4am on night shift then operating heavy machinery...
Scary stuff an alcoholic dock worker in charge of a fork lift...
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On 3/20/2003 msk
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"the member of Jefferson Starship/Airplane who used to bomb hills... chicano lookin fella?? Now he had style with a capital STYLE...."
Craig Chaquico!
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On 3/20/2003 Guy Fan (not homosexual!!!)
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Hot Dawg!!! Guy Grundy my goodness The footage of Guy on magic rolling boards where he gets a speed wobble and rides it out is incredible Plus he is riding the longest flexiest board ever with tiny trucks ...
You da man Guy....
I think Jonny and Arab should take it to email or stay in the gong show, amusing as it is. Personally I'm not into the whole supreme being lark but hey everyone needs their crutch as lucifer said on the Gong show.
Jon your statements are actually quite offending to the types that have let jesus into their lives for their sins. (be it because they have something they feel guilty about, were mentally unstable, too many drugs or they were conditioned that way) to them it's like saying stuff about yo momma!! Jon picture being deeply offended by remarks about your dead imaginary friend..... Still it does kinda lower the tone of the forum to sewer level. Its a debate that cannot be won and will go on forever.....
It's not their fault that self enlightenment for them needs a figurehead for them to feel good about life and themselves.
I am stoked for you Arab that you have such a sense of patriotism and are so sure that the War is the right thing to do. I wish I could. feel the same way...
As for all the Sexual preference stuff going on earlier remember you are not really gay until you take it, giving it is OK but taking it is just plain dirty...
I am trying to get the subject back towards our wheeled wooden friends. Hell those PVD trucks may be the mutts nuts but you wouldn't wanna go out with one if they were a chick, ugly as you like and expensive and intricate to get working.
Also Who was the member of Jefferson Starship/Airplane who used to bomb hills... chicano lookin fella?? Now he had style with a capital STYLE....
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On 3/20/2003 jonnyx
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iwill if you will!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On 3/20/2003
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Jonnyx... I'll ask you to kindly keep your Jesus remarks to yourself... I am finding them to be very offensive and out of line in your attempts to bait arab with your anti-christian comments.
Attack arab about his weight, his breath, his general hygene, his skating, his hair, his spelling, or whatever you choose to... just leave Christ out of it... HR
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On 3/20/2003 fact boy
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Actually Jesus died because the religious leaders and political leaders of his time didn't like his message.
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On 3/20/2003 jonnyx
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arab- JESUS DIED FOR HIS OWN SINS - NOT MINE
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