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On 10/18/2001
Chris Chaput
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Duros? I'm not quite sure, it depends on too many factors. I can however recommend the blue 70mm Kryptos and eXkate EZ Riders until something better comes along.
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On 10/17/2001 Ben
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What wheel duro is best for classic luge boards? (I can't bring myself to use "buttboard")
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On 10/9/2001
hc
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hey all, looks like we got critical mass for buttboarding/luging in the bay area. Any newbies interested, come and join us.
joseph, make wheel wells to prevent wheel bites. (they are kind of a pain to make)
good luck to john and marc in ohio!
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On 10/9/2001
Chris Chaput
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Stuart Bradburn at Hot Heels, Darren Lott and Dave Auld at the Dump Road. Unlike a streetluge where you stick your feet to the pegs, you swing your legs over to the opposite side. Lean into the turn with your shoulder almost scraping the ground. It's a blast.
The Board:
Darren's "Lott Classic" specs are freely given to all that ask. Take a 48" x 12" piece of birch or maple plywood (mine's 15mm-18mm thick) and round off the nose. Starting from the middle of the deck (the 24" mark), the sides taper down to 5" in the tail. You can use the stock R-II (Randal) truck, but many riders substitute a stronger grade 8 kingpin and the black & blue cushions found in their luge setup. This is also known as the "R-II B". Mount the front truck about 10 1/2" from the nose and the back truck about 1/2" from the tail. Use wedge pads on the front and back with BOTH of the skinny ends toward the front of the board (this adds steering to the front and takes out steering in the rear.) Flip the hanger in front so that you no longer see the "180" marking, this will put in a negative (trailing) "rake" or "castor". Cut out holes or wheelwells where your 70mm wheels would otherwise rub. Add "grab rails" on the underside of the deck along both rails for the entire wheelbase. Some people put a little foam pad on the nose for leg support. Voila! A competition tested design that you can win races on for less than $150.00.
p.s. For now, both the blue Krypto 70mm wheels and the eXkate 70mm EasyRiders are fine.
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On 10/9/2001 Mario
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Thanks Duanne, I'll forget the Yak Research order. But I'm still on the lookout for good center-set wheels around 70mm. Until Chaput makes a batch next year, what are my options? Are Labedas any good?
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On 10/9/2001 Duane
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Free 70mm Kryps at 'da Farm, thanks Jesse. One Buttboard, coming up. One question... is it allowed to modify or cut down the wheels ? I know they have to be 70mm to start. regarding cherry bombs, even at the same price, the 70mm wheels from Kryptonics will be faster, grip better, and wheel bite won't be as much of an issue. I'd steer clear of Yak, all the feedback here has been lousy.
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On 10/8/2001
Mario
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Jospeh,
From my experience this weekend, I would not get any wheel that didn't have a center-set bearing seat and a symetrical profile. The wheels can wear down so quickly and unevenly that you'll be spending twice as much, simply because you'll be replacing your wheels twice as often. If you're not competing, I think a big wheel is certainly better, as they'll last longer.
If anyone wants to go in on a $400 order of Yak Research wheels, bearings, etc. (http://www.yakresearch.com/a/ayak.html) please contact me. Among their center-set symmetrical offerings are Cajones at $1.95 (70mm 82a) and Labedas $3.95 (72mm 80a).
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On 10/8/2001
joseph
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are cherrys good on a buttboard? I am not racing in competitions so wheel size does not matter. How do i prevent wheel bite? I want cherries as i can get a set for the same price as a set of kryptonics 70mm.
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On 10/8/2001
RWR
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If you have not sent your entry form in yet. Do not send it now. Wait until you get to the race. We are leaving on Thursday to get every thing set up. We have had a very good turn out so far. This is sure to be a great race. We will have registration and tech open on Friday evening from 4-8 then again on Saturday morning at 7 am. Don't forget to bring cash if you are paying at the race. We will see you in OHIO.
P.S. Just received word that Ninja bearings will be there with podium prizes to add to the cash purse.
Rusty Riley F-6 Racing
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On 10/8/2001
Mario
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This last Friday, me, my buddy Sam, HC (you'll see his posts on NCDSA), John Fryer, Mark Johnson, and Ryan hit a secret hill outside of San Jose. While I've buttboarded before, I've never really "raced" before, so this was going to be a new experience.
The hill is 1 mile, very tight, and rough. We block it off with a car for safety. But there's barbed wire outside of some of the hairpin turns, and steep cliffs around al the others, so safety is a relative word.
John and Ryan were on luges, that was the first time I've seen one in person. Pretty damn cool, but I prefer the simplicity, easy portability, and inexpense of the buttboard. Instead of a purpose-built buttboard, I was using a Fluid Dragon with Seismic 157s w/ gold springs tightened down to the max, and Aluminator wheels. Good enough.
It was just a blast. We were drifting through the corners and dicing like mad. How much were we sliding it? Put it this way, after 3 runs of 1 mile each, my front wheels went from smooth and 70mm to chunked and 68mm. While Fryer was the fast man of the day, we mixed it up pretty well in the lower positions and were never far behind him. Put him on a buttboard and I think it would have been very close.
We're going to do it again soon, maybe two weeks, so if there are any buttboarders, or would-be buttboarders in the SF-SJ area, contact me or HC.
As a side note, I think one of the major advantages to a luge are the four wheels in front. After looking at my wheels, I have to think there is a better way of balancing front-rear traction. The front's are wasted, while the rears have little wear and no coning. I've got some experiments planned, and I'll post the results when I've completed them.
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On 10/7/2001
Chris Chaput
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I'll post some more soon.
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On 10/7/2001
Chris
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Would someone send me a pic of a butt board
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On 10/5/2001
joseph
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I am setting up a lugeboard and am putting a pair of indy 215's on it what hardness of bushing should i use? please reply by e-mail if not to much trouble
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On 10/4/2001
Tommy
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Hey, smashing !!! I'm very much appreciate the new forum ! Buttboarding on NCDSA - finally ! Chris, I quite like the idea with the name: "lugeboarding" but I think "Classic Luge" is not bad either.
Hey out there... I'm building a new luge(long)board as well and I can tell you: in case it will be faster than my old longboard that I've used in the past then watch out, could happen that I'm gonna steel some points off you ;-)
Best wishes and marvelous rides to all butt/classic-luge/lugeboarders out there ! cheers Tommy
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On 10/4/2001
Leo
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Chris, dont worry we have learned how to be patient. :)
i know that u want to produce 1st quality products and that takes time/money/effort to do it
take care
Leo
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On 10/3/2001
Chris Chaput
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Leo, Yes. A 70mm wheel is in the makings. No, a 74mm wheel would not be tolerated. I hate to put a date on it. Everything always takes longer...
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On 10/3/2001
Leo
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HEy Chris, one question, are u going to make some 70mm abec11 for buttbaording? or u think that the 74mm will be accepted?
Leo
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On 9/30/2001
Chris Chaput
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A buttboard (classic luge) is a board that is designed for lay down skateboarding. In racing it is limited to 48"x12", 11 lbs, four 70mm wheels and 2 trucks. Go to Buttboarding.com for pictures and more info.
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On 9/30/2001
Surfinstead
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This is going to seem like a dumb question but what is a buttboard?
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On 9/29/2001 shnitzel
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the dropped board will have to wait until the race legal one is finished first.... and Kigs, ...... love the pics but you better belive it won't be flat... heh heh.. thanx anyhow.
shnitzel
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On 9/29/2001
hc
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shnitzel, make the dropped buttboard, I'll buy one, I bet others are interested as well, would need handles like luges cuz the rails would be too low to grab.
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On 9/29/2001
Kigs
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Schnitzel,
Here's a link to the IGSA Rules:
IGSA Rules
The Buttboarding Rules are as follows:
CLASSIC BOARD SPECIFICATIONS (Buttboard)
The BASIC PREMISE is that any rider should be able to put together a competitive board from skateboard shop supplies for about $200 complete. A rider may spend more on a board if they wish, however, advancements which require a higher investment to be competitive, will be banned.
1. DECK: Must be made of wood. The deck may have molded features such as a kicktail, but must be one piece. No dropped boards. It may be any shape within the size limits. Nothing may be added to the deck except for the following:
1. Foam padding to the top.
2. Non aerodynamic stiffeners to the bottom.
3. Skateboard-type grip rails underneath.
2. WEIGHT: The complete board must not exceed five kilograms (5Kg / 11lbs).
3. LENGTH: One hundred twenty-five centimeters (125cm / 48") maximum.
4. WIDTH: Three hundred five millimeters (305mm / 12") maximum.
5. TRUCKS: The trucks must be lean steer activated. They must be commercially available* skateboard trucks. Trucks may have a rolling axle.(Z-Rollers, Randals, THX) They must not exceed three hundred five millimeters (305mm / 12") wide, as measured from the outside edge of the axles. The board must use exactly two (2) trucks.
6. TRUCK MOUNTING: Trucks must be mounted to the bottom of the deck. Base plates that drop through the deck or routered out deck bottoms are not legal.
7. BEARINGS: Standard steel 608 skateboard bearings only. No ceramic, Mini-mizers, 9 balls or other high performance or exotic bearing types.
8. WHEELS: 70mm skateboard wheels only. They must be commercially available*. The board must use exactly four (4) wheels.
*Commercially available means the product must have been distributed to at least 24 people outside the company.
See my previous post for step by step instructions on building a competition legal board.
Good Luck!
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On 9/29/2001 shnitzel
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i may be building a buttboard for a friend of mine in the near future but i want to make sure of all my "limitations" before i begin... so i've heard i'm not allowed to drop the riding platform any ;( ......
what are other rules that may limit my design? i want it to be able to compete so i have to fit all the regulations. i see most buttboarders custom build there's so fill me in!
shnitzel
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On 9/26/2001
hc
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mario, I'll get in contact with you.
I drove Marc Johnson and John Fryer at Santa Teresa park.
We got nine runs in, John was maching on his luge and buttbrd.
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On 9/26/2001
Mario
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I buttboarded (assboarded?) down King's Mtn Road yesterday. That is one sick ride! Anyone in the SF Bay Area is advised to take that run. King's Mtn starts up on Skyline and ends up on Woodside Rd in Redwood City. There must be 100 turns in the 5 miles or so of road, including some gnarly hairpins, some flat out sweepers, and a a couple fast straights. There are hardly ever any cars on the road, but usually a fair number of bicyclists.
My buddy following me in the car was speechless after the run. He'd never seen that kind of speed or 4-wheel drifts on a skateboard. The only thing he could mutter was "get...camera...take...video....got...one...of... those....for...me? It was awesome. I think I might make a custom buttboard to see if there's any real difference. I was using a homemade 44" deck with R2s (square bushings, flipped kingpin, flipped rear hangar) and Aluminators.
Buttboarders in the Bay Area, please email me. I'm in San Carlos, about half way between SF and SJ.
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