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On 1/6/2003
Big Ears
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It states in the rules that non-aerodynamic stiffening rails are permitted on a buttoard. My question is ....am i able to use 2 angle rods running the length of the board??? if so should i fix them to the board with rounded top bolts that dont poke out below the deck or wood screw?? any info would b much appreciated.
Big Ears
BE GOOD-HELL COULD BE FLAT
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On 1/3/2003 Mario
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E.K., there's one other factor involved in your crash, an off-camber turn.
I got the race site well ahead of time and walked the course. The first thing I remarked was that the extra layer of hay bales were in the wrong spot for turn 2. Not only was this obvious from a casual walk-by, but even one of the race organizers said that when a luger crashed there in testing, he crashed down by the port-a-potty (at the bottom of the turn, near where you crashed). That's where the double layer of hay bales stopped!
I made a bet with John Fryer about where people would crash on the course. The first couple of guys did indeed crash at the top of turn 2, where Fryer thought they would crash. After that everyone crashed at the bottom of the hill. I stopped counting but I'm sure I won the bet. That turn claimed one accident in the dry. In the wet, if you got even a fraction to the outside in turn 2 you were headed for disaster. When I went through that turn I hugged the left edge so hard I was practically in the grass, and I still wound up shooting to the outside. Though not as far as you did...
Anyway, good to hear you are doing better. Next time they hold the race there I'm going to mention this to them, perhaps a second layer of hay bales would have you up and around right now.
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On 1/3/2003
jason
wrote in from
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instead of my legs*
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On 1/3/2003
jason
wrote in from
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last time i slid inmto the bales, i took the advice of bob swarts and only snapped the front end off my luge instead of my luge, i know that this isnt buttboard but its handy for buttboards too, #1 if you think your going to crash, do not fixate on what your going to hit, instead look where youirTRYING to go, and look at the way out of your situation, uif you fixate somewhere, your gonna go there, fixate on the way out, theres a chance on getting out, that brings us to #2 never give up trying, dont bail.....untill you actually crash, theres still a little more chance left you can make it out without crashing, keep turning even tho your sliding, hang onto that board till your already in the hay, wich brings me to my 3rd point, #3 no matter what your riding, use it as a shield, if your gonna go into the hay from sliding sideways thru a turn, keep turning even if it means tipping the board onto its inside edge and sliding worse, #1 it slows you more, #2 you MAY make it out if you get enough weight on the inside wheels, #3 if you dont make it and tip over, STAY behind the board and use the buttboard as a shield when you hit the hay, when i was racing in front royal on my pegless luge, i wass doiung over 55 thru a 90 degree left , on a course with SNOW on the road, i slid sideways full speed into the hay and ripped up the front end of my luge, but i came out without a scratch or bruise from it, because i kept trying to turn untill my handle was on the ground sliding and my board went POOF right into the hay and i held fast to it, and when it was over, i was left laying on my side, still sitting on my board, but the board took the impact, not my body.
ive tried bailing...theres no point unless your headed straight for a stationary object with no WAY or no WHERE to go, a rare situation, thats the only time i can think of that bailing is logical, oitherwise, hold on, and keep trying to make it out, more than not, youll make it if you hold on tight enough, i highsided 3 times at GSI race #1 at the bottom of turn 3 and and i did 3 highsides in a row, but held on as hard as i could and ended up coming out of each of the 3 highsides i did and made it home to the finish line unhurt.
EK hope you heal fast.
keep an eye out for the new g-v's they will rock, 4 in one's
peace
jason
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On 1/3/2003
EK
wrote in from
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Howzit Guys!!!!
Well process on the leg is going great (still using a wheel chair for long "walking" trips through the neighborhood)and feeling stronger. Still a couple of months before I can "push" it. Now thinking back on the crash and what caused it, here's some insight I would like to pass on to those of you who are thinking of getting into the sport: gain as much "low speed" road time on different road situations (i.e. rough, dry, straight, curves, wet of course, etc.) for mental input and give yourself time to gain knowledge before pushing to the higher speeds.
I feel that a combination of things caused my accident: choice of wheels (kryto greens?), road condition (wet!), operator's decision (misjudgement), and mental status (too relaxed or overrly confident). They said that I was clocked around 45 mph upon impact... sliding sideways into the hay bales... right foot trying to brake away from hay bales... which took the main part of the impact... causing three "open end" fracture of the lower leg (called a 'tib-fib' fracture in the medical world) and also a separation of the foot from the ankle (torn ligiments, no fractures). No other injuries sustained (thank God...). I was pretty lucky compared to what I could have received. The reason I am e-mailing this long ass post is to tell those of you who are thinking about getting into buttboarding or even to those who are currently riding recreationly is that things can happen and when it happens it can be bad. Hey... even in a organized event, s#@! can happen. And don't think it happens only to the other person, use some real mature thinking. Really be picky with your equipment and check them very closely, wear full leathers and full-face helmet, choose safe areas to practice on, and if something doesn't feel right to you don't agnore the feeling. I maybe out for a time but I will still be riding when I am cleared. I love this sport and now have a deeper respect for the "dangerous" side of it. You know that saying,"Broken bones heal, chicks dig scars" well they don't tell you that "Broken bones 'take time to heal' and chicks 'don't dig facial scars'. Ride safe.
Thanks for you support Mario and hope to see you at the next buttboarding event.
Peace. EK
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On 1/1/2003
jason
wrote in from
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the problem with anything wider than 10" is it becomes undesireable for a speedboarder, im trying to find a happy medium, im thinking theres a way to use "grip rails" modified a bit to create a gripping surface that is actually 12" wide in that location, but im not sure if its legal, i need to check with both igsa and gsi.
anyways
thanks for the input
anything further is appreciated
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On 12/30/2002 hc
wrote in from
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not dub, dump, duh..
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On 12/30/2002 hc
wrote in from
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yup, dub the 12, make it 14, tired of sitting on my thumbs
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On 12/30/2002 Mario
wrote in from
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Jason, others might, but I would not buy a 10" wide buttboard. I wish the rules would allow me to use wider than 12": better leverage, more comfortable. Anyone else want to weigh in?
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On 12/28/2002
jason
wrote in from
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oh yea, ive discussed the legality of a wood luge run in EDI,
EXPECT YOUR NEW G-VEHICLE TO PASS TECH AND BE ALLOWED TO RACE IN EDI, I will continue to raise the standard on wood gravity sports products, and expect to see my luges in edi right next to darrens!
peace
jason
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On 12/28/2002
jason
wrote in from
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stiffening rails and coatings and s#@! are included in the rules for buttboarding,
im not trying to do this for recreational purpooses only, im trying to produce a board that ANYONE can take to a race and it will pass in all the diff tech inspections,
i know about sliding in the rules, i race every year. but i also buttboard tech inspectors are very strict, and im also aware of rule changes in GSI, i study the rulebooks before designing anything, so i know that every one of them i sell will pass tech when its in the condition i sell it at.
these board will be produced for sale, not just for myself
so if someone could give me an answer on the 10" wide buttboard, good or no, that would be great
thanks
jason
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On 12/26/2002 Mario
wrote in from
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Jason, I wouldn't be too worried about the rules, just build your speedboard with an add-on front leg support and I bet they'll let you run it. The IGSA rules state that boards must be made out of one piece of wood, but I saw a few boards with stiffening rails, and EK's boards have fiberglass over them. And there are other transgressions (ceramic bearings, spin-axle trucks) that get overlooked at Tech, so if you want to make a stink about the rules you'll find that nearly everyone bends them a little. I don't, or at least I haven't found a creative way to do so yet. I was going to make flexy boards that would ride lower than 3" when laden, but I've been convinced this would be folly.
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On 12/25/2002
hc
wrote in from
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jason, i got a similar idea, but it's more for general practicality.
it's a buttboard <-> pegless luge combo.
essesially a noseoverhang bolt on.
this allows me to fit the 'luge board' in the trunk of my explorer (sideways). (hate folding the back seat)
could be converted back to a buttboard for the parking garage.
I think you are trying to combine too many things, but then i don't really plan on racing.
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On 12/24/2002
jason
wrote in from
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im "harvesting" information on design for a 10" wide up front 9" wide rear "speedboard" tail shaped, buttboard nose shaped, speedboard/buttboard combination.
this will be used in conjunction as the base for an add on pegless bolt on system to turn the board into a low and fast wooden pegless luge, then it will also be able to bolt on a boom extension also, so now youve got a full blown luge
anyways, my origioinal design included making the buttboard extension bolt onto the speedboard, prob is gsi and igsa rules state Buttboards must be single piece, wich throws that idea out, so now im trying to find a happy medium for it
let me know
jason
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On 12/20/2002 Duane
wrote in from
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The c shaped padding keeps your butt on said buttboard. Sliding off the front is a real possibility, considering I did it twice inside of 20 minutes.
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On 12/19/2002
Dan
wrote in from
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i was wondering if you couls explain the c shaped padding on the nose of buttboards i have just begun and would like to know where to place padding and what kind to get
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On 12/19/2002
hc
wrote in from
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ek, hope you are feeling better, got a video of your crash, email me if you want a dub.
saw this on the net,
http://www.sshs57.com/photos/JPEGS/08Aug%202002/Margaret%20Leg.JPG
(a high-tec russian invention, 20 adjustable screws!)
btw the lady fell off a motorcycle...
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On 12/19/2002
Mario
wrote in from
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The weather in the Bay Area isn't cooperating either. We haven't had a dry day in weeks and it looks to continue for some time. So I'm going stir crazy as well.
I've thought about all the myriad ways I could "improve" my buttboard, but now I think I'll just leave it as is. It's cheap, it works, and that's what buttboarding is all about.
At the next SF race I want to race in grav bike and standup (yikes!) and maybe even luge if I get around to building one.
The new "unlimited" class in the IGSA really has my gears spinning trying to come up with a buttboard-zilla. I'd like to stick to the basic idea of a buttboard but make it 16" wide, longer in wheelbase, and as heavy as rules allow. For inspiration I've been looking at ice luges. Imagine an ice luge with a rear fairing and that's where I'm going. The design will owe a lot more to buttboards than to street luges. I guess that's why I'm posting this here.
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On 12/18/2002
EK
wrote in from
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Well just dropping a line to you all from "confinement" (my wheel chair... ha!) and meanwhile bored out of my mind. Just got back from the doctor's and he says that "I need to relax and let my leg heal"... Boy, easier said then done(or to do!). Check out the San Fran Gravity Fest pics at the Gravity Bike site (www.gravitybike.com). I'm bummed out but really anxious to get back riding. Well lucky me that it is snowing in Utah right out (lucky ski slopes) so maybe this is good that it is. Well nothing really to say but I am alive and getting healthy. I'll see you all laters.
ek
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On 12/11/2002
Petter Osterling
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A huge thanks to Scott and all the other people that arranged the competition @ west LA college this last sunday.
Both me and Dan had a blast. We will try to appear at as many contests as possible while we are here.
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On 12/10/2002
Scott Peer
wrote in from
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EK, glad to hear you're out of the metal shop healing well!
We missed you at West LA College on Sunday, but it's good to hear that you'll be back. See you next year!
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On 12/9/2002
EK
wrote in from
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Howzit!!!!!!!
Yea... I know... is he still alive or what?! Well this is EK (aka "Da Halopino"... dubbbed by Mad Mac in the GB world) and I am alive and kicking (of course by one leg for now... ha!). Yea... it was a big let down for my big crash into #2 turn at the San Fran Gravity Fest. And it was only a practice run! Oh, well... just wait brahs! There's next year and for now my doctor says I'm healing pretty good. I am bummed out with all the physical down time I am doing... but I have been looking at the mistake of wheels I used and what other types I am investing for next year.
Hey my brother Mario! thanks for your righteous spirit and sportsmanship. This guy people is the example that all of us should be like. And Mario, I am looking at that board you unselfishly gave me at San Fran. I have alot of ideas and you will see them in real time next season and of course with me racing on it. Well thanks to all who gave me your good wishes and came to see me at the "metal shop" (note: I like to call my stay at San Fran General Hospital as the "metal shop" due to the titanium rod they put in my leg... ha!). And brother Mario, keep on riding and I'll see you next year.
Laters.
EK
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On 12/6/2002
Mathew
wrote in from
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PSR -
Thanks for helping me find my own ass.
;-)
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On 12/2/2002
Mario
wrote in from
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Anyone heard about how E.K. is doing? Hey Eric, if you've recovered, give us a shout.
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On 11/26/2002 PSR
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Mathew,your tailbone is 'roughly' 3" behind your hips when laying on the board.I really didn't want to use the word 'Crotch' in conjunction with buttboarding.Too many Pervs lurk here as it is...
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