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On 12/13/2001
Darren Lott
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Hi Guys,
The board you are looking at is the Lott "Speed Stick." It's my latest and greatest pegless luge. I believe it violates every Buttboarding rule. (Wait, it has standard bearings - in each of the 8 wheels on two custom trucks).
The fenders are made from thermoplastic. You use a heat gun to form them. I made wooden templates to help get the shape consistent. I also used the same plastic to make the rear number plate holder. When another luge rider tangles with it from behind, it will bend away before it spins me out.
It's about 21 lbs total and breaks down into a little golf bag (like what Bob Swartz was probably using in Guam). It's fast and a lot of fun.
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On 12/12/2001 hc
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hey darren, how you make those molded wheel fenders?
http://4.33.176.246/streetluge/images/misc/IMG_1932.jpg
that fender thing is good idea when group riding, cuz rocks and gravels get flung up from the back wheel.
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On 12/12/2001 hc
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that is dropped i beleve, so not legal,
a souped up buttboard, pegless luge, ....
being riding my buttboard, still thinking about adding handlebars to it, more leverage, can always take it off for racing.
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On 12/12/2001
david
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hc, thanks for the links.
is this a legal buttboard or not?
http://4.33.176.246/streetluge/images/misc/IMG_1932.jpg
whatever it is, it looks really fast, and it looks better than a luge!
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On 12/11/2001 hc
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chris's url
http://4.33.176.246/streetluge/boards.htm
(check out darren's boards)
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On 12/11/2001
hc
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check this from chris mcbride's page
http://4.33.176.246/streetluge/images/misc/IMG_1979.jpg
darren, I know, not a buttboard.
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On 12/11/2001
Bob Swartz
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Buttboarding hits Guam. I just got back from a work trip in Guam. This time I took my buttboard instead of my luge becuase it travels easier. All of gear fit in a golf club flight bag I got for $35.
The local lugers looked at the buttboard with little enthusiasm. They were not beleiving me that it could be as much fun as luge, but within 2 days one of the six riders hacked out a board spec'd off my Classic Lott and we were cruising down one of the sickest roads on the island with speeds the same as if on luge. They were shocked. Within just 2 runs 2 of the guys were hitting this hill with more confidence than ever. They already have plans for several buttboards of thier own design. In many ways a buttboard is much more suited for Guam. They lack access to good luge building materials and all the cars are small japanese type. For the first time, a couple of us were able to put all our gear into one Nissan Sentra and bomb the hill most of the afternoon.
The only side effect that buttboard caused for them.....and this is a good thing....is now they FEEL the need for leathers without the false safe feeling they get having a body pan under their shoulders.
look for more action from Guam
bob
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On 12/10/2001
hc
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satan, it's about weight distribution, your cg should be slightly behind the front truck.
Check Darren Lott's book "street luge survival guide"
and Buttboarding.com
any rider in San Jose, let's buttboard.
me and marc will be hitting the garage this week.
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On 12/10/2001 Satan on Wheels
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I only buttboard when I'm really bored but for some reason I can't go faster than about 7mph with out getting speed wobbles. Why?
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On 12/10/2001 Mario
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I tested some 70mm wheels yesterday with my buddy Derek. We went to a parking lot with one downhill curve, the rest pretty flat. The course is not by any means challenging, but it was a decent place to compare wheels back-to-back. The asphalt is a bit smoother than the hills I've raced on. The wheels:
Krypto green 82a (measured duro, not printed)
Alumninator 78a
Powerpaw 74a
Labeda 80a (72mm)
Side-by-side tests revealed that the fastest wheels on the straight were the hardest (duh), the green kryptos and the grippiest were the Powerpaws (another duh).
However, the fastest time was set with the Powerpaws in front and the Kryptos in the back.
Next fastest was the Aluminators in front and the Labedas in back.
Next fastest was Krypto greens on all corners.
After that was the Powerpaws on all corners.
We did not test all combinations, for example, the Kryptos on all corners were faster than the Labedas on all corners, but I don't really know how the Labeda's compared to the the Powerpaws.
I'd like to do a more scientific test next time on a bigger hill. But I will conclude that having softer wheels in front does seem to work. This helps to prove my theory that if you are maximizing traction (sliding) on the front wheels, the only way to increase grip is to take away some traction in the rear.
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On 12/10/2001 Mario
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Wether you wedge the trucks or not, I would advise that you leave them in one position until you can appreciate the changes. I had heard about this wedging thing so I tried using a Randal Downhill in the back and a R2 in the front. And it worked well. I have since switched to R2s front and rear with no wedges. And it works well. I'm not at the level where I can tell that a little bit of wedge here or there will change the way I ride, it has a lot more to do with where my butt is on the deck - closer to the front for more stability, closer to the middle for better traction. When I get completely dialed in on where I like to sit, I may then mess around with truck angles again. But of course that may send me back to square one regarding where I sit.
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On 12/9/2001
Chris Chaput
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Shane, I can't take credit for that setup concept. That goes to Darren Lott. The idea is that:
1. You ADD some steering characteristics by wedging the truck
2. You REMOVE some steering characteristics by flipping the hanger.
Apparantly the amount and way in which the steering is added and removed doesn't bring you back to square one, it improves the handling and stability. It's kinds of like adding 6 and subtracting 9 when no "3" wedges are available. I hope that makes sense.
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On 12/6/2001 Shane Jones
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Chris, I got to thinking and I guess I don't understand why you flip the hanger on the front truck. On your website you say you use this setup on the rear of your speedboard. Why do you do it on the front of a buttboard?
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On 12/2/2001 SHane Jones
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Thanks Chris. I really enjoy your website, tons of useful information. Very informative for a novice to the sport. Later. Shane Jones
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On 12/1/2001
Chris Chaput
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Shane,
Darren's "Lott Classic" specs are freely given to all that ask. Take a 48" x 12" piece of birch or maple plywood (mine's 15mm-18mm thick) and round off the nose. Starting from the middle of the deck (the 24" mark), the sides taper down to 5" in the tail. You can use the stock R-II (Randal) truck, but many riders substitute a stronger grade 8 kingpin and the black & blue cushions found in their luge setup. This is also known as the "R-II B". Mount the front truck about 10 1/2" from the nose and the back truck about 1/2" from the tail. Use wedge pads on the front and back with BOTH of the skinny ends toward the front of the board (this adds steering to the front and takes out steering in the rear.) Flip the hanger in front so that you no longer see the "180" marking, this will put in a negative (trailing) "rake" or "castor". Cut out holes or wheelwells where your 70mm wheels would otherwise rub. Add "grab rails" on the underside of the deck along both rails for the entire wheelbase. Some people put a little foam pad on the nose for leg support.
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On 11/28/2001 Shane Jones
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I am interested in building my own deck for buttboarding. I was wondering if anyone can tell me what the wheelbase is on the Lott buttboard. Any other tips would be helpful.
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On 11/22/2001
Tommy
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Hi David, its workin' fine on mine... (22th Nov. 9.12 GMT)
cheers Tommy
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On 11/21/2001
david
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is it just my computer or is buttboarding.com not working?
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On 11/19/2001
Darren Lott
wrote in from
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Thanks to all those who provided rapid feedback on the FAQ! I've made all the minor fixes.
I also a received help from a few of the Brits and added coverage of the Traws event in Wales. There is even a QuickTIme movie at the end of the report that isn't to be missed.
Please keep up any feedback. It's really helping improve the site.
ButtBoarding.com
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On 11/19/2001 Mario
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Darren, the FAQ looks great. I learned a lot, thanks.
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On 11/18/2001 Leon Smith
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Hi all!
just interested to know if drop thru trucks are legal or not? i know igsa say no, but dont some guys race them?
(dave rogers) or not?
Or is a modified buttboard fit under street luge (which it doesnt seem to according to igsa) or is it another divison?
also darren on buttboarding.com i dont get thru to this message board... hmm then again this all could just be me n my mind
cheers leon!
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On 11/18/2001
Darren Lott
wrote in from
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I've written a book on Buttboarding. At least it seems that way.
For the last few weeks I've been writing furiously on an FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) for the sport. It's added to Buttboarding.com under "What's a Buttboard?" The quiz is still there along with text version of the rules.
I cover technical questions like 'What trucks should I use" and political issues like "Why such a silly name?"
I also prepared (doctored) photos to help wiht the discussions and added many new links.
Since I'm hoping we'll be referring new riders to it frequently, I'd really like feed back on what I currently have. You can post here (maybe start a lively discussion) or email me your more controversial ideas.
-Darren
ButtBoarding.com's FAQ
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On 11/17/2001 Duane
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Loud crash from the next room, my five year old knocked over all my board, domino-style.
Dad: "I told you not to skateboard in the house! " Son: "But dad, I wasn't skateboarding, I was buttboarding! "
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On 11/13/2001
Darren Lott
wrote in from
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There is an update and South African event coverage at ButtBoarding.com.
Is that really Flash Gordon?
-Darren
ButtBoarding.com
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On 11/13/2001
Tommy
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Hello Mojo,
thats an excerpt from the IGSA Rulebook...
addtitionally see http://www.gravity-sports.com/rules/rules.htm
...have fun riding ! cheers Tommy
CLASSIC BOARD SPECIFICATIONS (Buttboard)
The BASIC PREMISE is that any rider should be able to put together a competitive board from skateboard shop supplies for about $200 complete. A rider may spend more on a board if they wish, however, advancements which require a higher investment to be competitive, will be banned.
DECK: Must be made of wood. The deck may have molded features such as a kicktail, but must be one piece. No dropped boards. It may be any shape within the size limits. Nothing may be added to the deck except for the following:
Foam padding to the top.
Non aerodynamic stiffeners to the bottom.
Skateboard-type grip rails underneath.
WEIGHT: The complete board must not exceed five kilograms (5Kg / 11lbs).
LENGTH: One hundred twenty-five centimeters (125cm / 48") maximum.
WIDTH: Three hundred five millimeters (305mm / 12") maximum.
TRUCKS: The trucks must be lean steer activated. They must be commercially available* skateboard trucks. Trucks may have a rolling axle.(Z-Rollers, Randals, THX) They must not exceed three hundred five millimeters (305mm / 12") wide, as measured from the outside edge of the axles. The board must use exactly two (2) trucks.
TRUCK MOUNTING: Trucks must be mounted to the bottom of the deck. Base plates that drop through the deck or routered out deck bottoms are not legal.
BEARINGS: Standard steel 608 skateboard bearings only. No ceramic, Mini-mizers, 9 balls or other high performance or exotic bearing types.
WHEELS: 70mm skateboard wheels only. They must be commercially available*. The board must use exactly four (4) wheels.
*Commercially available means the product must have been distributed to at least 24 people outside the company.
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