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On 5/10/2002
Darren Lott
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Enclosing the wheels is good sense and not a matter of bypassing the "Fairing Rule." Wheels on luges have been enclosed since long before the Rogers made their first board. None of my boards have ever intentionally had exposed wheels.
Open wheels have a cool "Formula 1" look so guys copy what they like without thoughts to performance or safety.
Luges with smooth belly pans exist even in the "Open Wheel" variety. Rogers have done well with their previous luges, despite open wheels and poor underside airflow.
Dave has done a redesign of his luge and it is better and faster than before. The key is a shortened wheelbase for MUCH better handling, MUCH better wheels, and now "on par" airflow. Nothing is new or untried by others long before.
Dave should get credit for an excellent integration of all the good and effective things that are going on with luge. The rest of the Rogers team contributes greatly to testing. Everyone wants to credit his wins to new equipment. Dave's SKILL is the determining factor over and over again.
I know because I ride with him weekly.
Also this. On the 70+ mph hour we practice weekly, I can draft the new "aero pegless Rogers Luge" and pass at the finish ON MY BUTTBOARD.
Anyone who wants to claim foul needs to get out and PRACTICE.
Darren
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On 5/9/2002
stevep
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hi there - don't know where else to post this - i just got back from seeing a screening of the new ESPN IMAX movie. Extreme X (IMAX coverage of the 7th Xgames in philly)...great Street Luge footage (at least 6 minutes of footage in a 45min movie) - that looks like a bunch of fun...the rain must of sucked though. just thought y'all would be interested. Chris Chaput's name (on the back of his leathers) was very visible thru the footage down the course. 8 stories of screen - a good time. the other events were pretty cool as well (esp the motorcycle jumping) but the street luge gave the best expression of speed.
ok, going back to the longboard/slalom side of the site
cheers!
steve
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On 5/7/2002
Dave
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I guess only the designer knows if it is a fairing or not. Yes,the fender additions were "styled" in an aerodynamic fashion.... no hardcore fluid dynamics or wind tunnel testing....yet.
Adding weight helps in a straight line but hurts your push start and hurts you in the turns. Use the maximum weight that you can start and turn effectively. Add the weight near the board/rider CG or distribute it evenly over the board. The 45lb weight limit can be used to your advantage.
Dave
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On 5/7/2002
hc
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ahmmm, like Duane said, I know a fairing when I see it.
Also saw a similar idea in 93? laguna seca race (Rail).
Darren Lott got a similar deal going on his pegless. Whether it will be legal on not, well that's all politics, same deal with the peg vs pegless issue.
Anyways, great looking luge, wish i can afford one.
Dave, you mention weight being a critical issue, any tips on how much weight to add, where to add it, etc?
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On 5/7/2002 Dave
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Duane,
Our boards complied with all of the current EDI rules at the time of the race. (Rules are posted on ediracing.com) EDI rules have never required a boom or pegs.
The fender systems serve a number of purposes, however, their primary function is not that of a fairing. The primary function was to keep the booms and footpegs of other boards from hooking up with our new boards. A fairing is typically defined as "a member or structure whose primary funtction is to produce a smooth outline and reduce drag". The EDI fairing rule addresses fairings in front of the riders feet which these are clearly not.
As for a 10% drag reduction....not even close. The rider's body is still the dominant factor in the drag/speed equation. Rider weight and body shape play a much larger role. Rob Ruhman was the fastest qualifier at Barrett....he is also faster (terminal velocity) than John and I on our new boards when we test at our 70mph+ hill nearly every weekend.
The "fairing rules" (IGSA and EDI)are focused on fairings for the riders body not the board. I say make your board as "slick" and safe as possible.
Dave
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On 5/7/2002 fred
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I run a 12x36 laydown with an 18 inch front extension. the go-kart guys call this extension a porch.Is this whats referred to as a boom? And no, you cant have my 12 inch trucks.Well,okay since you said please.p.s. my 12x36 turns in a lot quicker than my old style luge .shorter wheelbase?do we have a trend brewing here?
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On 5/7/2002 mikez
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If IGSA had just had a riders vote at the DHX imagine how much trouble they could have saved themselves.
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On 5/7/2002 Danny Connor
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Hey Duane,
At the beginning of the day, they had a riders meeting (like always) but also had a vote to see if the Rogers Bros could use thier luges, and no one voted against it. I think democracy works better rather than just plain dis-banding an organization!Later
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On 5/7/2002
Duane
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Boomless luges: definitely the way to go in my (nuetral observer) opinion. The booms are simply a spear waiting to really mess somebody up. I was maybe 20 feet away at the Gravity Games this year when a fallen rider was struck full-on in the legs with a slower rider's boom.
But, as a point of debate: how did the Rogers brothers get away with those front and rear fairings ? Boomless has nothing to do with it, those fairings could be fitted with or without the boom. For those who might say those aren't fairings: I know fairings when I see them are those are it. Very innovative.
Air flow under, and behind an object is more important than air flow over or in front. On a high speed course, you might as well hand over the checks. Probably a 10% reduction in drag, or more, compared to a regular luge.
So why do I care ? If I build a luge this winter, a certainty, I'd like to make sure its both competitive and legal. As for me I like the fairings, but the rules need to be clear on what is and is not legal.
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On 4/30/2002
william
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Hi everybody,
www.streetluging.net is updated with 2 riders + a giveaway.
I've just launched a monthly giveaway, this month you can win a Rocketluge Go Fast Sports tshirt, a hat, and energy drinks.
Go to the englidh version by clicking on the english flag.
See you
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On 4/30/2002
Mat Holroyd
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Any UK or European riders wanting custom luges building contact me for details.
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On 4/29/2002
Chris Chaput
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Rob Ruhman leads Biker Sherlock, Pamela Zoolalian and John Rogers out the critical second hairpin in the semifinals at Barrett Junction yesterday. Rob held on to cross the line first, John had good exit speed and went from fourth to second. Pam also passed Biker and crossed in third.
Dave Rogers had a big lead on Rat Sult, Gerek Maddox and Waldo Autry. Dave, John, Rob and Rat met in the finals.
Although it's hard to see, the Rogers Bros were on their pegless luges with fenders. EDI allowed the pegless to run and they finished #1 and #2. Good move guys.
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On 4/28/2002 DT
wrote in from
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Reed,
Why dont you buy some insurance first.
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On 4/28/2002
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
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EDI's Barrett Junction Streetluge Race
Top 4 Amateur Class:
1. Pat Moody
2. Brent DeKeyser
3. Jeremy Kahn
4. Andy Lally
Top 8 Pro Class:
1. Dave Rogers
2. John Rogers
3. Rob Ruhman
4. Rat Sult
5. Waldo Autry
6. Biker Sherlock
7. Pamela Zoolalian
8. Gerek Maddox
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On 4/28/2002
Guy J
wrote in from
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Here is a testimonial of Warren Focke, he flew out to NM to ride NM536, heres what he said:::::::
Sounds pretty darn fantastic to me. Especially the part about hanging out with Peter and Elaine. They're pretty entertaining.
Were there any hairpins that required hard braking maneuvers? Cross traffic? Did you have to pass or be passed by cars. Scott Peer and I got passed by a motorcycle on the front side of GMR last weekend. It was mortifying but we didn't have any throttle to twist and so had to accept our fate with seething humility.
By the way I'll be in town this coming Monday for the skate. I have a meeting in Los Altos in the morning and will hang in SF in the PM. I'm really looking forward to skating with you guys again.
Warren Focke wrote:
Executive summary: f#@!ing epic.
More details:
14 miles
+ 117 turns
+ 3800 ft drop
+ 1 skater
+ 25 minutes tuck time
= 1 big grin + 1 sore back
The pavement has a kinda rough surface, but is mostly in good shape as far
as potholes and such are concerned. There's a 1/4mile, 100 foot uphill in
the middle (by the ski place), so i'ts really 2 7-mile runs. Skated over
the middle bit the first time, skitched the next two.
There is surprisingly little air at 10700 feet.
I braked for most of the hairpins in the top half on all my runs.
Probably many of them could be done w/o braking with more experience on
the road. I braked once in the bottom half on my first run (Sunday), not
at all on the later two (Tuesday).
Top speed was 42.
Here's a map, it cuts off a bit at the bottom 'cause maptech has limited
scaling options:
http://mapserver.maptech.com/homepage/index.cfm?lat=35%2E19658&lon=%2D106%2E407&type=1&scale=100000&zoom=100&icon=0&
Note the ski lifts running alongside the top half.
This is the road where the EDI race is happening June 22-23. I don't know
where on the road it will be, though. More likely in the top half, since
that is more technical and is a deadend.
Major props to Justin Franklin (local luger) for rides up the hill and
bringing the place to my attention in the first place, and Peter and
Elaine Hebard (friends of George) for a ride and much hospitality. Turns
out Elaine and I went to the same elementary school (not at the same
time).
w
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On 4/28/2002
Reed
wrote in from
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What Im looking for is an alluminum channel type, long enough for a 6 foot 2 guy, Me. thanks
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On 4/27/2002
Reed Lowry
wrote in from
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I told My friends that I would never be one, but Ive been thinking about it alot lately. Id like to buy a used streetluge, complete or not. Help? Reed.
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On 4/26/2002
Gonzalo
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En Chile tenemos las medias bajadas, el que busca siempre encuentra.
Pure downhill
Aloha Chad Barbas
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On 4/24/2002
Chris
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This is the second event to take place in Aviemore, the perfect setting offering a friendly community, superb scenery and the awesome Glenmore mountain road.
This is a World Championship race all the best riders will be there.
There are only 25 entry places left for the Highland Wheels Extreme so its now or never to get your entry for in this years race.
This is NOT an IGSA race.
This road is not for the faint hearted you will reach speeds of 70mph.
We will provide transport from the Hotel in Aviemore to the race road and to the start.
Everyone will get 3 days of riding and you won't get kicked out if you have the slowest time you still get to race on Sunday.
Pegless luges will race with the standard sleds with booms this is where we find out which is best or not as the case may be.
Full rules and specs will be ready in a couple of days.
Leathers and full face helmets are compulsory if you don't have these you can not race.
For more info on the race you can download highlights of last year and take a 3d ride down the road.
www.Gravitysports.co.uk
For those in the UK its worth getting that extra sports insurance cover. I know Chalky would like you to have it. Go to
www.SportsCoverDirect.com
Also this year Mark is putting a program together for the race and spectators.
What we need from you if you have entered are a few basic details and pictures which you have to e mail Mark.
m.warrender@btoo.com
We have to have this info in the next 14 days or you won't get in.
If anyone one wants to advertise in the program e-mail Mark prices start from £25 for 1/4 page.
Name.....
Age........
Country...
Events Entered.......
Injuries.........
Words to live by...... (Be polite please!).
Sponsors............
I will also need a passport type photo, preferably a head shot(clean pics only) and also picture of you in your leathers (action pic) this will give the spectators an idea of who you are.
If you want to send more info that's fine,I'll see what I can squeeze in.
Cheers dudes,
Chris & MC
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On 4/23/2002
Steve Pearl
wrote in from
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CAN YOU TOP THIS?
On Sat. 4/20/02, Guy Morrow of Wild Fro Racing LLC put in a timed run on the Dinosaur Point Road, in Pacheco State Park, CA of 2:59:64.
The previous best timed run was put in by Josh Smith at the 2001 FunDay 7/29/01. His run was timed by Manu and was 3:02.28.
At the same FunDay, Chis McBride (using his GPS) reached a speed of 75.6, if I'm not mistaken. (Chris correct me if I am wrong). Guy's top speed (on odometer was only 72 mph)
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On 4/23/2002 hc
wrote in from
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clark, buttboarding.com
www.geocities.com/sk8sanjose
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On 4/22/2002
Clark
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I would like to try luge but i need a board for cheap. I don't have much money and can't get money quick becuase I am only 13. I would also need equipment could you please tell me where i could go in Michigan or just help solve my problem.
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On 4/15/2002
Justin
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If u are aware, EDI is holding the Sandia Downhill Classic in hew mexico on June 22,23rd. If u want the freedom of riding all 14 miles instead of riding 1 mile for the race and want to be able to ride it all day without having to deal with race structure, email me. There is a rider from Delaware flying out in june some time, if u want to schedule a ride for a a few days preferably on weekdays ( sorry for the inconvience) then email me. Denne?, Jason Breault from Delaware says u may be riding with us ans u todl him u may come out to NM with him. Whats the deal on that, do we need to schedule a day to ride or do u guys have tha figured out already. Really looking forward to riding with u deene and anyone who is interestted. Just a short note, the road is 14 miles long, has 117 turns, and an average7-11% grade all the way down plus we have special permission from the state highway dept and sherrifs dept to ride the road whenever we want to as long as your riding with Team Nemesis.
Justin Franklin
Team Nemesis
TeamNemesisRacing@Hotmail.com
1-505 -890-8504
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On 4/2/2002
LugeForce
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For those who have not seen us visit http://www.lugeforce.com . You can now post on the LugeForce Calendar upcoming events to keep everyone informed.
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On 4/1/2002
Nemesis
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So out of curiosity, is anybody wanting or planning on riding the newmexico luge hill that doesnt want to race and wants to be able to ride all 14 miles of it all day long with us on behalf of the state highway dept and the sherrifs dept. If there is write me an email at TeamNemesisRacing@hotmail.com . I have a place for at least 4 or 5 people to stay at a time if they want to give it a shot. A little details, its 14 miles long, 117 turns, 7-11% grade all the way down and 3 lanes in some places. Plus i have permission from the state highway dept and the sherrifs dept to ride it whenever i want to as long as its preferably on a weekday like a thursday or friday morning. Email me and we will make a plan. TRUST ME ITS EPIC AND A BIG DAMN LUGE HILL, JUST ASK BIKER SHERLOCK, HE RODE IT LAST SUMMER!!!.
Justin
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