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Miko
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On 4/17/2004
GI Joe
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The 3DM wheels have got a radial edge, I suggest using 70 mm Kryptonics, in any color,they have a rounded edge and never flat spot. We wear them down to the core, using up about 30mm of urethane in the process. They start to mark up the road like crayons the further you take 'em down (fun). Switching up wheels is an excellent way to keep your skills sharp cause they all have a different 'breaking point. In Racing you can't be sure which ones you'll actually be on so practice on all of them. Miko, when you are going backwards (fakie) instead of trying to bring it back, just stand up for a second and gain control fakie, them the 2 hands down toe side slide will come naturally, and bring you back around to regular.
Bear Paw slider gloves take the most beating and give the most protection, and have replaceable pucks. We wear them OVER our wrist guards. Cliff is selling them at his clinics.
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East Canada
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On 4/17/2004 Scott S.
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CLIFF COME TO EAST CANADA
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Cliffy's Clinics
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On 4/17/2004
Michael
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Cliff's UK clinic is proving very popular. He kindly ageed to attend the Lush Longboards weekend, and to stay on afterwards and run a clinic on the Monday. The interest in this event has been great, all the more since word got out that Cliff would be coming. Whats great is that most of Lush's customers are, shall we say, younger, but have great respect and enthusiasm for sliding, and sliders. The Monday clinic was announced as the weekend places had filled to bursting point, and that too is now very nearly full. 3dm, Octane Sport and Lush are really looking forward to Cliffs trip, and I'm sure that if there are statesdide clinics the chances are that UK riders will want to make the trip, just to experiance the US scene in full. Have fun!
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Slide Clinics and this forum
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On 4/16/2004
Cliff Coleman
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Glad to see this forum for sure!!! Regarding slide clinics, the one in the Moro Bay San Luis area has been postponed for now. I am leaving May 5th to ride and teach at the Lush Longboard festival. Stay tuned for new address and contact information when I return from UK. It is then that I can help any of you that can get me to your area to teach. I'll post again when I return.
Thanks,
Cliff Coleman
p.s. A SLIDE FORUM, HOW ABOUT THAT! Thanks Adam.
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Jarad
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On 4/16/2004
Scott S.
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If you are just learning different slides personally i think it is best to learn with soft wheels...It helps youg et the proper form down...Once you get good change to harder wheels
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Explaining the wheel durometer
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On 4/16/2004 Pat Chewning
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The durometer is a measure of hardness for rubber/urethane type products. It is a scale such that the higher number is harder, and the lower number is softer. The "Durometer" is an actual name for a machine that does the measurement by pushing against a sample of test material with a controlled force and a controlled area/shape of pin. The distance the pin can push into the material gives the durometer reading.
How this translates to wheels is that usually a lower durometer wheel will give more grip (because it can deform into the riding surface easier). A harder wheel will give more speed (because less engergy is lost deforming the wheel). Wheel durometers in general are measured on the "A" Durometer scale and range from a low of about 65 to a high of about 110. Most longboarding and slalom racing is done around durometer 80 or so.
Here is a durometer: http://www.qualitest-inc.com/hpe.htm
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Wheel durometer
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On 4/16/2004 Jared
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Can someone briefly explain the wheel durometer.
Also, I have the heelside pendulum slide where I use both hands. I have some pretty soft wheels or so I think. If I was going to attempt the 360 should I get some hard wheels since I know they slide easier.
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sliding corners with 75a gumballs
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On 4/16/2004
david
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heres a little video of my and a friend sliding this fairly tight left hand corner....both grabbing rail and not grabbing...
www.geocities.com/sk8sanfran/slidingcorners.mov
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Santa Cruz riding...
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On 4/16/2004
Miko
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No sweat Everett... We should just get out and ride. Maybe I'll learn something about 360's! I'm clueless there. I'm also coming off a sprained right ankle/leg, so I'm trying to behave. I'm planning on slalom, 8:30am sunday. (call me for location.) Carving 3pm monday. Give me a call... 588.8162. No comps recently, so I'm looking forward to a couple big ones this year. Probably La Costa, Breck and Worlds.
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? for Scott S. Re.
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On 4/16/2004
Scott S.
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Backside 360's are a lot harder the frontside to learn, but once you learn them it just has more flow then frontside
Everything takes practise, the more you do it the better you learn...you can't expect it to come right away.
Here is a few things I did to learn flowed 360's...
1. Get a bigger board, I ride a 40 inch Brad Edwards Pro Model, lots of room for me to move my feat around but still gives you very fast spins.
2. Start the 360 at a slower speed, The slower you go the less distance you will slide and the more your wheels will grip once you finish the first half of the 3 forcing you to throw yourself into the second half of your slide. which leads you into step 3...
3. Be prepared to fall..I probally fell thousands of times before I could put this trick in my back pocket. If you are ready to receive a little pain then you will be more likely not to hestitate. If you hestite you will be more likely to fall on the ground and receive pain then if you go all out and are prepared to fall.
4. The hardest thing for me when i was learnign backside 3's was the second half of the 360... To learn that I go on my board so i was riding switched and then just practised the second half of the 360 until I got it down, once I had both 180s with ease I started to try to put them together.
I hope this helps at all,
If you want more descreption email me and then ill send you a longer write up
what kind of wheels are you riding?
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Pictures
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On 4/16/2004 Scott S,
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How do you put pictures on the forum?
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jelly roll
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On 4/16/2004 psYch0Lloyd
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...quitcher bellyachin'
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stopping
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On 4/16/2004
goad
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who whants to stop? not the daggers, we roll.
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? for Scott S.
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On 4/16/2004 Everett
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Hey scott i know you guys up there must being doing some amazing stuff so i thought you would know whats up with my question here. i learned how to do frontside 360 slides from advice on the gravity website but the backside 360 seems a bit harder. i have tried it my own way and never come close. huge slides but not the fast roation that i desire. i was wondering what you guys up there thought. oh and bluntslides man that is really rediculous. how is that layback slide (sliding with your uphill hand only) into the blunt. hard or what?
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scared
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On 4/16/2004 Everett
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i don't know about that. i mean, dude, you go waaaaaaaaay faster then i do. right now i am riding a sc oldschool 31.75" with 60mm 99a wheels. badass i must say but most likley a bit to slow for your taste. i am totally down to skate though just consider yourself warned of difference. oh, how have the comps been going?
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Backwards stuff and Santa Cruz!
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On 4/16/2004
Miko
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Ha Joseph! Yeah... it's a good feeling, but when I'm feeling like it's going into a 360 slam on my back, it's a bit of a rush. Still haven't put any time into working the double handed thing. I'm more of a soft-wheel downhiller who slides rather than a devoted slider. I still love long drifts around corners and the feeling of a long, fast, well-exectuted pendulum though!
Everett! So you're still around? I've been riding with a new UCSC guy Steve Wu who likes to charge. We should maybe hit some hills together. I'm trying to get him out for some riding monday around 3pm. Wanna go? I'm driving... shoot me an email with your ph#!
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whats up miko
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On 4/15/2004
Everett
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Hey miko,
i'll tell you there are some others sliding around town. do you still live in sc. i'm always seeing someone new on water and soquel hills around ocean with gloves doing some turns. other then that its only been a few with gloves and i have never met any of them. but i must say miramar is still the best. pavment isnt the most ideal ever but screw it the angle is just fine. you still live on the westside.
everett
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cliff/sergio
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On 4/15/2004
joseph
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i am well aware that they do other forms of riding and i said that in myt post but sliding is what they are really famous for. even if they are great all around riders they are known for there sliding more than anything and would be sponsored even if they couldnt do any other form of riding.
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Gloves
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On 4/15/2004 PSR
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Nick,look over at BOZI longboards,they have Valeo Wristwrap Sliders.The Harbingers you have are a good item,But not really good for heavy-handed sliding,as mere leather Will get WORKED on repeated pavement encounters.If you modify the Harbingers to include slider pads of UHMMW plastic,then you'll have a decent glove.Or you can try Alan Sildo's over-the-glove slider pad kits with your gloves.His site is 'slidegear',but I don't know if his stuff is in the 'links' here.
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Sponsorred..
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On 4/15/2004 PSR
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And I always though Mr. Coleman was sponsorred because of his good looks!! :-) Hmm,I guess it could be his overall riding,couldn't it? I mean,Cliff Rocked when I was a Tadpole...And STILL DOES..
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sliding gloves
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On 4/15/2004 nick mildmay
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has anyone used the harbinger wrist guard gloves as sliding gloves as i like the idea of having wrist protection as i am only just learning to slide and will be falling over a lot or are they just not up to the job?
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sliding/Cliff C and Sergio
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On 4/15/2004
wax
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Sliding is part of why those guys are sponsored, but if you have ever seen either of them skate or know much about eithers contribution to skating at all you would understand it goes far deeper than just being able to slide.
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stopping
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On 4/15/2004 newschool stop
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you can allways use the short boarders apraoch and that is called a f _ ck car. Thats when you slam into the side of a moving car. Its stops you really fast.
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just a slider?
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On 4/15/2004
joseph
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definitely! look at cliff coleman and sergio yuppie. they probably do some other forms of riding but they are sponsored for there sliding abilities. its like asking a shortboarder whether or not you can sponsored for just being a trick rider. its downhill freestyle and if you can do stuff like 360 slides and 540 slide pendulums stand up slides etc... i would see it being very easy to get sponsored!
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slides
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On 4/15/2004
joseph
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airin if your not grabbing and have your hand in the air try not to rotate your torso so quickly by slowing down the swing of your arm (which causes your body to follow) and try and keep the slide at about 45 degrees to avoid flatspots. if you slide at 90 degrees you will flatspot!
miko is there something wrong with floating backwards? i love the feeling and try to prolong it as long as i can. at the same sort of speeds as you. i usually slide double handed to make it easy to stay backwards.
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