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On 1/28/2002 Al
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...I have a picture of some sliding gloves that I just made with a little bit of a different technique for attaching the plastic but I can't post the picture because I don't have a website - I don't know if someone would like to temperarily "host" the picture so folks could see it???
Al
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On 1/27/2002
Hunter
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After stacking (no helmet) i got a Giro Semi, it's a great healmet, and covers the back of the head. It's hard to get used to it, but i'm sure it's worth it.
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On 1/16/2002 jonathan
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will a full face helmet just act as a lever to injure the neck? I'm sure this is a debate that has affected motocycle riders for years..
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On 1/4/2002 R.
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Steve, for more information on certification and reviews of bike/skate helmets than you probably want, check out the bhsi website (bicycle helmet safety institute). I think its www.bhsi.com, but you can search for it below.
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On 1/2/2002
david
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patio, sliding glovse have saved my hands many times. when i slalom, its just knee pads and slide gloves, when you fall, i naturally fall on my hands, and the gloves do their job, they don't slide out from under you.
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On 1/1/2002
Patio Mendino
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1) helmets:
the ProTec helmets are fine for parks and ramps, but anything where you're going over 20mph, you need a better helmet. one with full face. Downhill mountain biking/skiing helmet, or even better, a motorcycle helmet.
2) sliding gloves:
if you wipe out, and tumble forwards, and go into a tuck and roll, when you put your hands out to catch yourself, will the sliding gloves slide out from under your body and face, and you splat your face on the pavement? That's what I think would happen to me.
P@io
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On 12/30/2001
brad
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i was wondering if soping could give me some info on stoping after a big hill
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On 12/30/2001 alex
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I was wondering if any one could guive me some info on stoping after going down a huge hill.
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On 12/27/2001
Patio Mendino
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to all the emailers, YES!
that really did happen to me.
wear a helmet. I've bounced my helmet three times this year. all cushion, no !CRACK!...heh heh
I am the lucky one.
really.
http://www.patiomendino.com
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On 12/26/2001
Steve
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I checked out the www.pro-tec.net and read up a little on their helmets since you guys are wigging me out about safety, mostly concerned for my kids, plus that article in Longboarder was pretty scary as well. For some reason ProTec makes the same "ACE" helmets but with the bike style foam for the bikers and they are CPSC, ASTM, and EURO certified...but the "ACE" SKATE helmets are only CE 1385 standards. Not sure what that is so I emailed them and asked them to post something here on the site. $40-$50 bucks is a small price to pay for security. If anyone knows more about the standards/certifications please post here.
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On 12/18/2001
Johnoshei
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I crashed right on my head at Roosters a month ago and I wiegh 200 lbs. I was in a slalom course and was moving about 35MPH. I was wearing a Pro Tech Brian Patch and the thing saved my life. I've head-slamed at over 50 in a full face and that was no fun but at the lower speed the Pro Tech held up great. No really loud concussion sound, just a nice foamy thud. The Pro Techs are cheap too, just make sure that your padding is glued down and if it cracks toss it out.
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On 12/11/2001
The Boz
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bObO,
Never wore equipment in the day. Now I never leave home without 'em. Biggest adjustment/inconvenience was pushing with knee pads (restricting movement and bunching up behind the knee) and wrist splints (tough for rail grabs). But with young skaters at home, they need to learn about safety from me. They certainly won't learn it from other kids or skate mags. "Daddy, how come they don't have to wear pads?" Due to my over-average size, I went with Pro-Designed knee, elbow and wrist protection. Custom fit. Work well.
Tom Bosworth
Knucklehead Racing Team
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On 12/10/2001
bObO
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Just wondering, How many skaters out there have never worn
safety gear? I've been skating for over 10 years and never
worn any. Is it hard to get used to? I've always been anti-
pad & helmet, but time is moving on and so are my reflexes.
Good day.
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On 11/25/2001 The Safety Man
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Bell is a company that makes very good bike helmets and if you crack one in an accident you can send it to them and they'll replace it for free. Giro is another good company, but I'm not sure if they do the same.
I think it's a lifetime guarantee, too.
May your noggin stay in one piece.
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On 11/8/2001
R.
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hey todd and all,
if my memory serves me correctly, (I'm too lazy to actually go check) according to the BHSI, a lot of bike companies will actually exchange the helmet in the event of a crash. I don't know if it's free, but seems like it was cheaper than buying a brand new one. Don't know how it pans out in reality in terms of wait time and run-around, either.
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On 11/7/2001 todd carlson
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giro switchback is pretty cool - especially if you take of that BMX visor.
$180 is pretty steep, but it looks like it is CPSC quaality, with a jaw/face guard - now if it had a fllip down windscreen...
http://store4.yimg.com/I/skishop_1655_6219813
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On 11/6/2001 todd carlson
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http://www.altrec.com/shop/brand/GIR/
giro 9
$80
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On 11/6/2001 todd carlson
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regarding helmets, I've got a Bell that is the standard Pro-tec shape but a tad larger to accomodate the CPSC foam inside which is hard closed cell foam. This is the stuff that cracks (instead of your head) and then the helmet needs to be tossed. I recently bought a Burnquist model from protec because it is cooler looking but when I took it out of the box, it was a light piece of crap that I will only wear for low speed (sub 20mph), anything faster then that call for more protection.
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On 10/30/2001
Miko again...
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And yes... he WAS wearing a helmet. Didn't do a hell of a lot of good as loose as it was.
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On 10/30/2001
Miko
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Ok... so me and my son show up at the birthday party, and I can allready see kids buttboarding fairly fast on the awesome 150 foot long and steep driveway. (Good runout)
I've got both my skates and as I walk up the hill, a dad says to his kid, "Next time don't use your feet as brakes and go as fast as you can!"
So a bit later the dad prompts... "Hey, why don't you see if you can beat Miko?" So we push off together at the top and I see the dad give his son a HUGE push!
I yell hang on! And see him begin to wob, and finally topple off his board. I run up the hill to find him with road rash on the top of both his hands, his knees... and 2 large rasberries on his FACE! Damn... I'm sorry I had ANY part in that...
All I can say to you DADs out there is this... Let your kid make up his own mind about WHEN to put on the brakes! Don't throw your kid off a cliff in your own enthusiasm for adventure. Get you damn self on a skateboard and grind your own flesh. (This dad can't begin to skate, so I know I may be preaching to the choir here. It was really sad to see this little guy all beat up... he STILL wanted to make it to his soccer game too!)
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On 10/28/2001 R.
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yeah, the EVA foam vs. softy foam issue is why I got myself a TSG instead of the Pro-Tec. I think if people look for BMX/Skate helmets they should be safe. Or anything with the CPSC sticker.
I still want to know why my idea of an aerodynamic neck roll is bad. Aerodynamics + more safety = good. Maybe it would restrict head movement too much or something. I don't know, I'm not a downhiller.
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On 10/28/2001 Duane
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The problem is, R. that essentially none of the widely distributed skate helmets have the rating. Round shells, yes, but very poor foam. In fact the article specifically states to beware non-rated skating helmets as a specific hazard. I would bet that is 90% of the "skate" helmets out there.
Another warning therein: against helmets with aero projections which can snag on the ground, twisting the neck or ripping the helmet off. Here they are talking about the rear point on bike helmets, but a Gofast or Landingham helmet is much worse. It is my opinion that aero (and all)helmets for downhill skating should be required to have a snell rating, thin break-away aero shells could be added for the final heats. Once the mold is made, thermoformed shells could be made to fit a good helmet, like the Bieffe GPR, for maybe $10 to $25 each. Would it be as fast? probabaly not it would be a little bigger. But considering I paid $130 for this helmet, how many would try it for under $200? A lot, I would bet. I hate to say it, but a serious injury caused or contributed to by an aero helmet is inevitable.
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On 10/27/2001
R.
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I hate to be redundant, since I posted on this in the safety gear forum over yonder, but I have to take issue with the skate helmet comments.
check out the bicycle helmet safety institute at
http://www.bhsi.org/helmet01.htm
It's a great resource for bike helmets--although mostly the open-face kind, for some reason. Anyways, according to them, CPSA certified skate helmets (the ones with EVA or hard foam) are in fact usually far superior in protection to most bike helmets with their doodads, cutouts and whatnot, and you can't tell me that bikers don't crash in excess of 20 mph. They list any number of companies which make CPSA cert'ed lids, although they're usually stocked as bmx, not skate lids. there's even some companies (i.e.: bell, specialized) which have tried to improve the shape of the old Pro-Tec mold.
helmet enforcement is a whole 'nother issue, although driordan's comments on the cops and parents' double standards are on the money, though... and I think pad companies should listen up and break out of the "Pro-Tec paradigm" which has dominated the helmet and pad world--something more comfortable and easier to move in would be definitely nice. I think there actually was an industry guy interested in all this type of feedback quite a while back in this forum or in Safety products, so maybe you can all email him your thoughts.
What surprises me, though is how much of a culture of masochism there is in new schoolers. Maybe even more than back in my highschool days (80's), it's all core (and highly entertaining for others to watch) for you to dislocate/break a few bones or impale your nuts on a rail slide. hell, there's even a story over at monsterskate.com poking fun at the "pad-apes" old-timers wearing pads at a poolskating comp. I realize risk is the edge of the sport, but still... So maybe a case can be made for limiting people's eventually debilitating silliness?
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On 10/27/2001
Mitch T
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I had an unexpected spill flat on my ass and can't remember if the back of my head smacked the pavement or not, but I'm glad I was wearing my helmet and I'm sure it would've saved me from some damage. Actually I think a helmet would've helped Bobo on his spill, I'm sure he wasn't going really fast, it was just a completely unexpected slide out. I've been using a Rollerblade helmet that looks like a bike helmet with a little bit added to the back of head. I also have a Protec that I use at the skateparks, when they won't allow me to use the other helmet. I don't look for my helmets to protect me at speed, but rather those completely unexpected falls. I never step on my board without a lid, I've heard too many horror stories. This wasn't the case when I started skateboarding, I only started wearing helmets religiously. when I picked up rollerblading and read stories of people falling back on their heads. Asphalt bites, wear the gear.
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On 10/26/2001
john Gilmour
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No helmet used by skaters currently would protect us from a frontal collision over 20 mph. While some helmet is better than none, how would a motorcyclist feel if he found out his helmet was only got for a 15mph impact?
We have been had.
I wear my Jay Adams Flyaway helmet- only because of style- at the speeds I find myself at I know it will just stop abrasions.
I need a helmet that will work- is not too heavy- and has a chin protector/removable face guard. It should be dual purpose with closable vents and exchangeable insulative padding for snowboarding and skiing. It should not block my view when I am in a tuck.
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