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vendor wannabee
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On 6/11/2007 tim kienitz
wrote in from
United States
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PSR,
Freecarving does not get that respect. When I show my friends videos of some of the best carving they think it is interesting but just controlled falling. Or when I am riding down a run and I hear cheers and remarks of admiration, they see what I am riding and are confused. Am I on a snowboard? They think I am riding a mono ski. It can't be a snowboard because my stance is so forward and I am wearing ski boots. I am not accepted as a normal snowboarder. My main point is how different things are frowned upon in snowboarding too. If freecarving was that respected wouldn't there be more people doing it? It's not hard to do the basics and if you are serious you can find the equipment.
Concerning the square tail in Boardercross, were there more than one accidents involving real square tails? I have seen people get hurt by round tails also. Because the square tail is different and strange was it given an undeserved bad rap? Since the accident involved an Asymetrical board and not a real square tail then perhaps the more pointed asymetrical shape could cause more harm. Then MAYBE asymetrical boards are more dangerous but real square tails are safe. There needs to be more proof but since the FIS/USSA has no such rule then it seems to me that square tails are safe enough for them and should also be for ISF.
Is the 6 wheeler weight trade off worth it? Maybe not but it should be my right to ride the best or WORST equipment I choose. I just want the freedom to ride what I want and have fun while I am at it. The unnecessary politics in racing takes away the fun.
I miss the venders forum. HaHa!:)
Tim
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Racerboards, tails, and such
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On 6/11/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
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This is for Tim K., and is about alpine racing, Bx and snowboarding.
The square-tail boards are still out there. Racing is too. In Slalom/G.S., even split-tailed snowboards are still allowed (and I've even seen split-nosed raceoards!). What's gone (has been since '90 or so) is Downhill/Super-G, with the last major ISF sanctioned Super-G's being run in '96.The boards were Too Fast, threatening Skiing's place as the 'Faster' racing, so when the ISF got lawyer-whipped by the USSA/FIS/IOC block, the fast, fun Big Guns(200cm anyone?) became a footnote in Racing history. Freecarving is an art unto itself, but gets no-to-little media attention, though it gets respect from anyone watching it happen. Laying on the snow at 45 mph mid-turn will definately garner a little approval if the witness has any appreciation of riding skill.
But the Square-tailed ban in BX is an ISF rule, and it had a Reason. That seperates it from the 6/4 wheel debate C.C. re-introduced in reaction to the upcoming Worlds ruling. Square-tails had been accepted as proper raceboards, and were allowed to race in BX thru mid 1995. But Gordon Robbins boldly made Rounded tails the Rule after watching an entangled wipeout of multiple riders that left the sharp-pointy tailend of an Asymetrical raceboard impaled into another racer's chest cavity. He (G.R.) reacted appropriately, and in that ruling created several board varitions that manufacturers could still make (such as Prior's 4WD, Volkl's Cross, or Palmer's Carbon Circle) to use on Race Day that didn't actually lose any Performance compared to 'pure' square-tailed raceboards, at least if racing in a BX course. BX is safer because of this, at least when it's run within USASA. The FIS/USSA have no such rule. Why? Because they'd have to apply it to Skis also, and there are too many square-tailed skis out there that might be used in a Skier-Cross event. Logical, eh? Of course, it does have the side benefit of incresing the chance of carnage at Skier-Cross venues. ;-)
The lack of Logic behind the DHB's descision (heck, the lack of logic in Micheal Stride's rants!) and the looming possibility of further illogical, limiting, anti-creative-thinking rules worries me also. My 6-wheelers lean-steer like any other skateboard, and in some situations, do it better. But 6-wheelers in Slalom face weight and manuverability penaties inherent in adding parts to any vehichle. Is the trade-off worth it? We may never know, at a Race, anyways.
BTW, this also means that Lonnie Toft, at least from what I glean from M.S.'s arguements, Never Made a "Skateboard" Pro Model with Sims. Tragic, that, as it'll take Ebay years to sort out the resultant confusion from Vintage Skateboard Buyers!
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Stopping and Sliding
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On 12/17/2006 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(75.68.nnn.nnn)
MXC, here's two items I dug up from using the 'search' function and using "footbrake" as my criteria. These are from awhile back, like 3 years or so, but There's More, much More deeper yet in the Archives here! Nonetheless, I hope this helps out a tad. ;-)
Footbraking and Sliding On 5/6/2004 PSR wrote in from 24.52.xxx.xxx:
There's a place and time for both types of slowing/stopping.In a race,a slide can be a bad move,as your nearest competitors may have other plans for that piece of the road,so footbraking is a safer bet for all in tight quarters.At a Race's End,that's a really good place to footbrake,as slides will cause collisions easily.In urban traffic,footbraking is KEY to surviving the surge and flow.It also is good when you want to preserve some momentum,but with the Possibility of stomping on the binders.{(I noted that back a few posts,someone mentioned using a "heel-first" approach.That's fine,but please try for light contact of the entire shoe.It's more effective,and your shoes stay on your feet during long stops.I know,I've lost Vans slip-ons from heel-dragging,and stopping one-shoed is by far worse...)} However,I've noticed that certain pitches make you really think twice about footbraking.Above an 8% grade,sliding is a better means to burn off speed,as it's more predictable in and out of turns.Turning on steeps does slow you,but there times that it's not possible to keep fluid carves going AND still burn off speed.In those spots,footbarking will upset your turn rythym and timing,where Sliding can just be another part of the turn.When sliding is just an extension of your planned turning rythym,then it becomes a very useful skill to own. I mentioned earlier that grabs combined with footbraking is pretty potent in adding pressure to the feet.Grabbing while sliding can add both Style points and aid in stability.If you revert during a slide,a timely grab can pull things back in line very nicely.Obviously,grabbing the rail mid turn,and pushing into a drifting slide is a move everyone who bombs hills should be aware of.Maybe that's not 'stopping',but hey,any speed that's shrugged off smoothly counts. Last word on this: always try for a return to the board's center to maintain control. If you hang out too long in a "pose",you'll get stuck,and not be back in the flow with your board.
Footbraking vs. sliding On 5/27/2004 Shredder wrote in from 132.230.xxx.xxx:
I think the main difference is that when footbraking you are standing, while in a slide you're crouching, meaning you are closer to the ground. This means in case of a crash, your impact on the road is less severe when you slide than when you footbrake and fall from a standing position. It is also true that slides are MUCH more fun! But I still believe that the footbrake has many advantages, too. You can hit the footbrake faster while or after airbraking, you'll stay in your line, which is mandatory when racing or when too many buddies are around and you won't trash those expensive soft racing wheels. The main problem with the footbrake i.m.o. is that it needs a lot of practice and still can be risky. So I go for honing my skills in BOTH sliding and footbraking to have all the options :-)
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stopping/falling
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On 12/17/2006 snoball
wrote in from
United States
(72.185.nnn.nnn)
MX, check out Cliff's sliding thread and learn how to do that and don't go down hills without gear on before you learn. And if you are going to fall, learn how to drop into a squat first ( as soon as you feel wobs, no later ) because falling from a standing position at 30mph is a lot worse than if you're rolling off your board from a squat. Some people are comftorable dragging a foot at high speeds, but they're usually very experienced downhillers. I don't think they'd recommend it to a newbie.
Longboards are generally built to be fast, not just smooth. People often forget that. You can be as prepared as prepared can get, and still wind up doing a Superman. Would you rather have pads on in that case or not?
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Stoping
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On 10/29/2006
MXC
wrote in from
Australia
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I just recently bought my self a new Arbor pin longboard(i've never longboarded before). Anyway i was going pretty fast down a hill, and i didn't no how to stop. so i jumped off, and trimped over when i did so running. So what i wanna know is how do you stop safely and easyily?
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Stoping
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On 10/29/2006
MXC
wrote in from
Australia
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WTF?
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On 10/23/2006 sven
wrote in from
United States
(68.171.nnn.nnn)
Daniel, what the hell are you on?
But, all crazy broken penises aside.
This site is more about longboarding than anything else, or so it appears to me. I suggest that if you like serious speed, pick up a long board and bomb some hills.
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Powerslides
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On 10/21/2006 Sven
wrote in from
United States
(68.171.nnn.nnn)
For powerslides, the durometer of the wheel is very important. If you are interested in repeated, easily created powerslides, get wheels with a durometer rating of 82a or above. 82a is the softest wheel i've ever seen anyone do a powerslide with, effectively. My wheels (krypto 80mm, 76a) will NOT slide, unless i coat them with glass or some other smooth, hard material.
Anyways, I suggest for anyone who wants to powerslide effectively, get 90a wheels.
Gravity actually has a slide wheels line, although some wheels from another one of their lines actually have a higher durometer rating.
Sliding gloves are also very very very important, unless you like having NO sking on your hands.
Helmets are good too.
So, in summary: get hard wheels, sliding gloves, and a helmet, and a medium sized board, nothing too long. Hope this helps
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POWER SLIDING TO STOP
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On 8/24/2006 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
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You can do a power slide to stop with your wheels. You have to shift more weight off your board and onto your sliding hand. Check out the tutorial at silverfish: http://www_silverfishlongboarding_com/articles/longboarding-101/how-to--the-coleman-slide-900-16.html
Best wheels for sliding are of course hard ones.
Austin: A month of training is not a lot. Keep practicing. Best way to learn a slide is to look for an empty aslope road with enough secure space for a turn. Then ride and turn, walk up, ride and turn, walk up, ride and turn, ride faster and turn, repeat until you find out at witch speed and pressure your board will break out. And of course, read the article.
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Sliding HELP!!
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On 8/4/2006
Austin
wrote in from
United States
(63.198.nnn.nnn)
So, i got a longboard like a month ago, and i got really interested in sliding just the only problem is, whenever i attempt a slide i wipe out horribly or i just make a sharp turn. I've done some research and looked at all the websites that say "How to Slide" and that sorta junk but i never find any of them to work. I wanted to know if there was anyone who lived in the Bay Area, like San Francisco who would be willing to teach me (for cash) how to slide. you can email me (austinbagby@hotmail.com)
-Austin
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WHAT TYPE OF WHEELS ARE GOOD FOR POWER SLIDING TO STOP
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On 8/2/2006
VALENTINO
wrote in from
United States
(67.32.nnn.nnn)
I RIDING SECTOR NINE NINE-BALLS 70MM/75A AND I JUST DONT SEE THEM DOING A POWER SLIDE. THEY GRIPE LIKE CRAZY. ANY SUGGESTIONS?
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Road Rash
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On 6/23/2006 Tim
wrote in from
United States
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Big doses of vitamins E and D. will help it super quick
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pavement pizza
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On 6/16/2006 grindmaster
wrote in from
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treat with liberal application of aloe vera gel....buy an aloe vera plant plant, break off the leaves and get the goo that oozes out on the area.
try not to use the aloe gel that comes in bottles from the chemist/health store, its full of alcohol and other nasty preservatives....
sunlight is good too, do'nt cover it up unless you're working in food prep.
better yet, buy two plants, put one in the ground for later....
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road rash
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On 4/23/2006
clumsy skater
wrote in from
United States
(71.213.nnn.nnn)
Does anyone have a secret road rash treatment?
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SHANANIGENS
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On 4/4/2006 KEVIN
wrote in from
United States
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I'M CALLING SHANANIGENS ON ALL YOU FAGGOTS GODDAMNIT!
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Riding Safety
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On 2/26/2006
Steven Xu
wrote in from
United States
(69.234.nnn.nnn)
yo longboarders ive gota serious question
i jus tried a longboard today and it was hella fun going down the hills
i jus went down this steep hill
i didnt kno how to stop
so i had to jump off and i scraped my arm really badly
does anyone have any advice of braking
and be specific
like powerslide
how do u powerslide
or like slide
how do u slide
like give me instructions
thanks
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Hey
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On 1/3/2006
Daniel
wrote in from
Australia
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Hey guys, you all seem hell good at skating:) Nice to meet you all -waves- Im Daniel i live in Aussie and im 12 years old. i learnt how to kick-flip 3 or 4 weeks ago and its pretty cool. i can land them most times but not always.... anyone got any ideas of what i could start trying after a kick-flip... so far i can pop shove it,kick-flip,180,ollie (ofcourse)fakie, i can cave-man... and i can boardslide and 50-50... my friend Harry learnt how to do a kick-flip to manual into a tray-flip then a heel flip into a 900. he can also drop into a 20 ft Half-pipe with 10 foot vert. he broke his penis while f#@!ing a chick while skating. he is very very magical.
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splat!!!!!
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On 11/30/2005 nikki
wrote in from
United States
(67.67.nnn.nnn)
one time i was skateing next to my pool and i was trying to do a heel flip and when
i tried i landed it ( FINALLY )! i fell and my board went in the pool it was so not cool
i mean at all , but the next day i got a new board (THANK YOU LORD)!!!!!!!!!
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grinding
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On 11/28/2005 cassie
wrote in from
United States
(67.67.nnn.nnn)
one time i was trying to grind and instead i fell flat face on the pole and then on the ground
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Handbrake
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On 11/19/2005 Jesper
wrote in from
Sweden
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Well your foot is a good option and if you practise you wont get wobbel..
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slide stopping
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On 8/21/2005
Kanufi
wrote in from
Australia
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When going for any slide which is over 60kms you usually speed up at first when you lay it down and then your wheels take over and they start to grind you to a slow stop.
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Slide Stoping skaters
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On 8/6/2005 Stevan L. Hemingway
wrote in from
United States
(64.12.nnn.nnn)
You skaters that are stoping with slide technequies are 1 step away from employing a gravitational stop. Want to learn how the faster you are going the more cake work stoping becomes? Want to learn get the full force of gravity to stop you at 8.6 meters a second? Want to get Hooked the f#@! up to learn? Call me @ (541) 317-4701 ask for Stevan Hemingway or Panton (same person)
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I have SEEN the light!
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On 6/8/2005
Tom M.
wrote in from
United States
(164.227.nnn.nnn)
Amen, brother!
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I have SEEN the light!
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On 6/8/2005
Greg 'Smitty' Smithwick CLBC
wrote in from
Canada
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New to road riding (at least in the last twenty years), and have learned some ugly lessons about stopping my board. The absolute WORST thing you can do is step off. I have been injured twice since getting back on, and BOTH times, it was from stepping off the board. If you are going too fast to foot brake, you are going too fast to step off.
The answer is SLIDING. I know it looks and seems terrifying to a new skater (and that is what I consider myself), but it is easier than you think. First, get the right safety gear!! Having bailed out of a few bad slides, the helmet, gloves, and pads saved me much trauma.
Get so you can squat down on the board in motion...practicing while stopped didn't work for me...the board in motion is MUCH more stable. Remember when you first learned to ride a bike? You learned right away that at a slower speed, you had less stability, right? This is like that. I learned this on a nice gentle slope. From that squat position, pull some turns. Reach out and let your GLOVED hand skim the surface. Do this till you feel comfortable with it. Take the same run, repeatedly. Each time, use a little more downward pressure. Eventually, the wheels will break traction, and the rear of the board comes around. I haven't yet reached the point where I can stand back up and keep on riding, but I CAN STOP SAFELY. I can slide in a frontside or heelside turn, though frontside is easier for me.
I spent some time with Cliff Coleman and Patrick Rizzo when they came up for Danger Bay 4 (in British Columbia), and I saw Rizzo ride hills I would never have dreamed of riding! Sliding, as far as I've seen, is the safest way to stop a board at speed...and at the speeds we are going on the road these days, STOPPING RIGHT NOW is what matters!
As an added benefit, if you DO fall, you are much closer to the ground, at impacting at a much lower angle. That is a good thing. Work your way up to bigger hills, and my personal rule is NEVER RIDE IT UNLESS YOU HAVE DONE RECON!! All pilots learn early to always look for a safe place to land, and this is a dangerous sport. Drive it, walk it, check it out before you need to stop in a hurry.
More experienced riders should pipe up if I said anything stupid.
Greg 'Smitty' Smithwick
CLBC Hillbomber Recon Sqn.
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hand brake
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On 6/6/2005 evan
wrote in from
United States
(71.0.nnn.nnn)
Has anyone ever created a handbrake for a longboard. something that uses friction on the ground, not by slowing the wheels because that would cause your wheels to have a flat spot. Im thinking something that could also cure the wobbles.
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