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On 4/12/2004 Scott S.
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Aaron I read your post and I think it is great that you are learing how to slide.
I was wondering what level slider you are because I think all people when they are just learning how to slide that they should learn with soft wheels because you get the proper technique....BUT if you are comfortable with your sliding techniques I think it would be worth going out of your way to buy harder wheels!
Hope that helps a little.......
Scott S.
www.ecosurf.org
Everyone check out my brothers site, he lives in San Diego and he has an Organization to save the coral reefs! He is really big into surfing and right now he is on a vacation in Ausitralia
www.ecosurf.org
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On 4/12/2004 vaitus
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Hey Aaron, I'm a big fan of Belgian blondes....both the beer and the women that is....and of other color belgian beers and other hair color belgian women as well...vive le framboise!
the drawbacks of having softish (what's the durometer on your flashbacks?) wheels is that it will take you more speed to break into a slide and they will cone fast, so after a while you would have to replace them anyways, unless you have access to the proper tools for reconditionig them (like a belt sander)
I won't go into more deatils because there's a ton of information about this on ncdsa and all you have to do is use the search feature to retrieve it.
good luck!
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On 4/12/2004 Aaron
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Hey, i've been reading some of the posts on here, on this section, and i was kinda wondering. My setup is a S9 pintail, 49 inch i believe, with Randall 180s, and 75mm Flashbacks. The flashbacks are pretty soft, and i'm working on learning to slide well. Would it be a good investment to pick up a harder set of wheels?? Or would it work with what i have?
The next problem would be, i live in Belgium, and there is a serious lack of skate shops, i know of 3, none of which stock longboard parts. This would make buying harder wheels (in the propper mm) downright difficult. I could order off the web, from a british store as well. Anyway, i was just wondering if it's absolutly nescessary to pick up new parts to learn to slide.
Thanks.
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On 4/9/2004 Scott S.
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Oh ya, about the fire....burned my hand nicley hahahaha and my neck
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On 4/9/2004 Scott S.
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Yo HC that's so cool how you have my sliding page as a link on yours....except I deleted my site, I didn't like it at all.
We dont know what the slides are called so we just name them ourselves
hahahahahahaha
But mainly we do pedulams (one or more in one depending on the trick you are doing)with different grabs.
Spins - 360's, 540's, 720's and so on.....One thing I ve noticed about a lot of homegrown websites is when they do 360's the basically are doing 2 180's, it is not a fluid rotation. Do you think agree with me? or do you think I am expecting to much and it should be a 360.
We do Bluntslides (when you lift your nose or tail in teh air during a laybackslide and slide on 2 wheels) We do them sergios way when you drag a knee and without the knee drag.
Ive slide through a patch of 15x6 Gasoline fire...WOO SO HOT,hahahah I wasnt in the fire for long because i was going so fast but when I was in WOO SO HOT.
Alright Im going skateing right now
peacce
What are slide names?
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On 4/7/2004 hc
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Hi Scott, I remember you now, I believe I got your link on my sliding page.
Glad to hear there are more guys sliding up there.
What kind of slides do you guys do?
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On 4/7/2004 Scott S.
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HC whats up man!
I used to come to this forum all the time, I live in Nova Scotia and sliding is become a form of a trick There is over 15 different slides that we know of. We might even be putting a local competition on during the summer.
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On 4/6/2004
hc
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ScottS, not sure how long you been checking out NCDSA, but this Technique forum have been popular for questions about sliding. Creating another sliding forum might be good, I don't know.
I still like the idea of an FAQ for sliding on the top this page. (Adam, if you are listening.)
BTW, Scott, what's your sliding background?
hc
www.geocities.com/sk8sanjose/sliding.html
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On 4/6/2004 Scott S.
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Does anyone agree that NCDSA is an awesome site but is missing a "Sliding" section?
How can I contact the manager to ask him about this?
Thanks,
Scott
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On 4/3/2004
Jammin
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Yeah Ok that makes sense that it would take a while to get good at sliding with any set up and reliably so that you can count on it in a potentially dangerous situation. Gotcha, I think I'd be happy to have that level of skill sliding in that amount of time as well.
I have really only been working on my cornering techniques for the past few weeks and hoping to get sliding gloves going soon so that I can start learning to slide. So I guess to be honest, I haven't even started to practice sliding yet !
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On 4/3/2004 vaitus
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Jammin, I was actually pulling slides after two months, but it took me 8 til I got the skill at a good enough level so that I could slide with pretty much any set up and use it as a safe way to stop. I couldn't do any better than that by practicing once a week. Hope you can catch it as fast as hc. How long have you been trying by the way?
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On 4/3/2004 Paul
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I actually have a 37" S9 with indys that I bought for all around cruising and transportation. It sounds like this would be a better board than my 45" with R2s for learning to slide.
I will give that a try.
I imagine that as my carving ability improves, it will be easier to learn sliding. More fluid control of my body and all that.
I should have never watched all of those videos of people bombing and racing down steep hills. Now I dream about it night and day.
How long did you ride before you felt comfortable bombing a hill at 30-40 mph?
Have any of you done this without being able to slide to stop?
I would rather know that I could stop fast if I had to.
Plus, I already have my "reward board" picked out that I will buy myself when I get sliding down.
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On 4/2/2004
hc
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It really depends on the individual. Most people can learn to slide to a stop fairly quickly. The pendulum slide takes more time to learn.
Coleman slide and especially pendulum slide are easier to learn on short boards and hard wheels. Less speed needed.
I learned the pendulum slide on the flats with my short board and hard wheels. Took me maybe a week.
It seems right now there are more new skater starting on longboards with very little to zero experience on a short board.
All I can say is bite the bullet and get a pool board. Bowl riding is carving is the 3rd dimension.
hc
www.geocities.com/sk8sanjose/sliding.html
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On 4/2/2004
Skategurl
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Probably been covered to death already but here goes anyway: I'm riding a Landy Drop Carve with 78a Flashbacks (70mm). I am just starting to learn cornering with this board and really liking how the wheels stick for sharp turns and deep carves. So if I want to learn to slide on this set up is the soft duro going to cause me trouble? I'd rather slide with the set up that I am going to be skating on day to day with but is it a good idea to have a harder set of wheels for just learning to slide?
thanks
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On 4/2/2004
Jammin
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Wow, that's a lot of practice time to learn to slide! I am just starting to learn sliding myself and I only really have Cliff's how-to as advice seeing as I don't have a handy slide teacher to tutor me! Hope I can catch on a little faster than 8 months as I think I will likely get pretty discouraged if it takes that long.
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On 4/2/2004 vaitus
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Airin, your set up is certainly not the optimum but it can be done, the first times at the concrete park I was on a flexy s9 cosmic 1 with 75a flashbacks, slow as hell compared to a real park board. After some practice I was able to carve the tight bowl allright. To complete the carve on those soft wheels you'll need quite a bit of speed to start with, bend your knees, rotate your torso more and more in the direction you're going, while pointing and looking in the same direction. Tendency will be to stall but you should make it.
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On 4/2/2004 vaitus
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Coleman slide: took me about 8 months (with a month and a half break due to knee trouble) practicing for about 2 hours a week. I think it would have taken me less time and frustration if I had followed the Cliff Coleman how to article thouroughly since the beginning.
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On 4/2/2004
Airin
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Hummm, interesting that there is no space for the topic of one's post in this section, why is that I wonder?
Anyways, I want to ask for some tips for longboard riding in skate parks. Its not like I plan to make this a regular habit but there are some very nice skate parks around Vancouver with snake runs and tea cups and the like. I have tried to skate a couple different parks but not having a short board background I find that on my GS board I am mostly just comfortable dipping into one side of a bowl or run and getting shot up and out the other side.
I won't mind learning how to carve right around the inside of a bowl but don't know if this is even realistic on a slalom board with 70mm Flashbacks at 78 duro.
What are the possiblities for someone on a longboard in a skatepark - yeah, yeah, I know, you're thinking "go get a shortboard, dude"! But I just want to dabble and have some fun slaloming, or longboarding at the local skateparks so any ideas that don't involve over the top short board tricks would be appreciated.
thanks
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On 4/1/2004 Paul
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How long did it take you guys to learn the coleman slide?
It looks so easy in all of the videos but it is frustrating the hell out of me.
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On 4/1/2004 hc
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skater, I am guessing you are refering to the 'pendulum' slide using slider gloves. Check out my page for some info.
www.geocities.com/sk8sanjose/sliding.html
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On 3/31/2004 skater
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I was just wondering how to come out of a slide and swing the board back around so i am standing the same as when i went in to the slide. i have seen it done in a lot of videos but cant really figure out how to do it myself. If anyone knows how to do what i am talking about please post. It is just a kind of slide where you walk the board back and forth and stand back the way you came in. THank you
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On 3/18/2004
hc
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toddc,
To be specific,
NOT 'low roll center', low deck height near the roll center/axis.
The length of the board makes no difference on the roll axis (given the roll axis is parallel to the ground)
The main obvious reason you don't see drop thru on short boards is that you would be always worrying about stepping on the exposed wheels. For slalom, you can't put your rear foot over the rear truck. One way to get around this would be the use of rocker decks.
So why does Luka jack up his deck?
Here is my theory. A deck on a conventional setup tilts back and forth like a metronome. The higher the deck the longer the 'fall' phase. This long fall phase in combination with the increase in leverage lengthens the 'push' stroke (think ice skating) by a small but significant amount.
More time 'pushing' equals more speed.
BTW, I have set up a Landy Race deck with exkates before and I remember it pumps horribly.
hc
http://www.geocities.com/sk8sanjose/data.html
(some roll center diagrams on this page)
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On 3/17/2004 toddc
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HC, please elaborate on roll center if you would. I posted a question a while back asking if higher risers made for more responsiveness in side to side slalom weight shifting. Luca's boards tend to favor this.
Now you mention low roll center.
How does this high/low center differ on long and short decks? Why don't people run drop-thru's on popsicle decks and shortboards?
It seems to be about leverage - higher above roll center means tippy/responsive. Nearer roll center dull but maybe more stable.
Am I close?
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On 3/11/2004 hc
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ericT, torontoTom,
I don't like low decks (Landy r3, UA) due to the closeness of the deck height to the roll center. They are jittery when you go into a drop stance and have a tendency for high-sides.
I think guys on landy race decks compensate for this by cranking their trucks down, which I dislike.
otherwise, they do slide smooth.
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On 3/11/2004
hc
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bettyride, check out my sliding page
www.geocities.com/sk8sanjose/sliding.html
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