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slash@ack
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On 6/6/2005 shapeshifter
wrote in from
United States
(24.148.nnn.nnn)
yeah peters! you know the feelin', 'cause that's exactly what its all about....
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slash attack
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On 6/6/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
hey shapeshift, your focus on surf-style cutback style over pure acceleration -- sounds cool! Sometimes to shake things up on long rides its just fun to tear into a set of connected carves, eats up a lot of energy, inefficient for the long haul, but what a rush -- especially when you're pushing out the back hard, carving controlled slides each time and shreddin the urethane. Doing it from a dead stop is kinda like cyber-slalom (without the benefit of 2-3 push starts) -- send vid doing this if you got it?
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how to pump
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On 6/6/2005 nic
wrote in from
United States
(204.108.nnn.nnn)
RUSSEL you got to like turn side to side really quick and move ur upper body to get momentume im kinda new to but love it
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slasha'tacks
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On 6/6/2005 shapeshifter
wrote in from
United States
(24.148.nnn.nnn)
as i was breaking in this latest more flexible version of a deck i've been making, i started playing around carving out some wheelies then space walkin' to get up to speed for a freeride pumping cruise. during this course of action i started toying around like i used to as a kid and softly carved out something like a drawn out tick tack but with more of a rhythmic slashing motion staying closer to the ground by keeping my knees bent. with each slashing carve (started out backside) i'd get low to kick each turn out winding up somewhat extended through the slash then lower myself again for the following turn (i guess that would be frontside) then repeated for about 15 or 20 times. if done correctly it can be accomplished with ultimate power and grace sans the clickity clackity sounds and the stiff posturing of the oldschool variety.
this isn't anything original. it's something people have been doing for aeons but just have not focused on it. something out of the jay adams' style of rippin' almost like several consecutive cutbacks in succession. it can be used as a way to get up to speed, a conjunctive maneuver, or just something completely its own. in reality this is as basic and "simple" as it gets, definitely not easy, quite possibly styleeeeee...
...just thought i'd also give it a name so that it would be easier to describe it.
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pumping and stopping
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On 5/20/2005
Tom M.
wrote in from
United States
(164.227.nnn.nnn)
Russell -- Pumping forum.
Alex -- Stopping and sliding forum.
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how do i stop
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On 5/19/2005 alex
wrote in from
United States
(168.11.nnn.nnn)
he guys, i just got my first longboard yesterday and i was wodering how i was supposed to stop with out dragging my back foot or using my tail to stop. also what would u recemend for me to use when it comes to weel desity if i whant to be able to slide?
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how do u pump a longboard
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On 5/18/2005
russell
wrote in from
United States
(66.121.nnn.nnn)
could any of you help me i heard a guy talking about pumping a longboard how the heack do you do that im just a begginer so i dont kno much i have a sector nine speed godess. thanks
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P.S.
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On 4/30/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
By the way, FLEX is the final ingredient to making the skate experience more fluid. Not SAG...but FLEX. A nice cambered deck with fiberglass is a whole other world. Vertically laminated wood-core plus fiberglass equals power-carve nirvana! Check www.motionlongboards.com
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flipped
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On 4/30/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
hey lonerider,
Flipped, reversed, normal, backward: all relative terms.
Simply set up both hangers so the "180" is visible, or facing outward.
This puts them both at their steepest angle, which is their turniest setting. For an even more dramatic effect, you can wedge them. When you combine a steep angle, a shorter wheelbase and a loose kingpin, you've got a real concrete surfer. Careful on speed runs, though...the back gets a bit twitchy if you go too fast with too much angle. But if you like pumping flats and deep carving, these adjustments make for a very manoeverable ride! Experiment and have fun!
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Flipped Hanger
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On 4/29/2005 lonerider
wrote in from
United States
(65.249.nnn.nnn)
I'm confused Tom, from Chaput's webpage it seems that the "reversed" position makes the truck less turny and slightly lower and more stable. Why would this make the back truck turn more? Are you saying that the back truck will now turn more relative to the front truck whereas with the normal position, the front truck tends to do more of the steering? I would definitely be interested in making my board feel more like a snowboard.
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Iain
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On 4/4/2005 tom
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Hey Iain, glad to hear it! Learning to carve well is a real skill. It usually takes me a few turns before I feel "set". Once you get that "set" feeling under your feet, its all good. I find more and more its really helpful to really use the back leg in turns. Two finer points: If you skate Randals, check out www.chrischaput.com/randal/ and you'll see the difference in hanger orientation. I skate with both trucks set up to the steepest setting (flange facing the board, not the road). This gives the back truck a lot more turn, and feels more like a snowboard or surfboard. Chaput cautions that this is not advisable for high-speed runs...but it is excellent for hard-carving used to control speed.
Second recommendation...you MUST check out www.carverskateboards.com and take a look at the videos. If you're hooked on carving...this is gonna get you stoked!!!
Let me know what you think.
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loose trucks
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On 3/7/2005
David
wrote in from
United States
(67.101.nnn.nnn)
hey HC, whats up duude!
so your back gets screwed up when you pump to long? that sounds dirty....seriously though, i've tryed those trucks that HC has with the light springs, its really easy to pump on that set-up...
hc, shoot me a email, i'll be back in SF soon, lets rippppp it up...come and skate tunnel, its been to long....
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carving
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On 2/20/2005 Iain
wrote in from
Netherlands
(195.92.nnn.nnn)
Hey tom, cheers for the advice, youve saved me n im really gettin the hang of it now, even using powerslides to control speed....oh yeah i doono why it says netherlands cause im from scotland where there are plenty of hills....went out last night n it started snowin powderso we went out on that n had a few bails...cheers for the help
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LDP racing
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On 2/19/2005
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
right on hc!
if you ever do decide to host an LDP race, you've got at least 3 kooks from seattle who'll do whatever we can to come down for the event...
i like your idea for the xkates- when i tried them out, it felt like i was wearing high heeled shoes or something (and i SWEAR- i've never worn high heeled shoes in my life. Not that there's anything wrong with that...)I never even thought about shaving those giant bushings down. I'll have to check 'em out again.
the back pain stuff sucks. i used to be a distance runner, and dealt with all kinds of junk like that. I recently read a great book called CHI RUNNING by Danny Dreyer, which might be of interest to you. He does an awesome job defining some efficient, low-stress body movements for running, which can easily be transferred over to LDP stuff...
Thanks again for the ideas!
peace,
derek
derek@pavedwave.com
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reply to peters @ pavedwave.com
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On 2/19/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Sorry not to have replied earlier...I missed your post until just now. The size and shape of the deck, I was amazed to see, is almost identical to a Kaliber or Gordini. Believe me, I didn't steal it, it was just a good shape. Obviously, other people had the same idea! Constuction is very simple: 2 pcs of 5-ply marine plywood (don't know the kind of wood, but its snappier than birch) glued together with a flexible epoxy in a 3/4" camber, no concave,a 27.5" WB, and in between the wood layers, imbedded in the glue is a single layer of uni-directional Carbon fiber. Been pumping and fish-tailing it hard now for almost a year, lots and lots of hill carving...the sucker just won't break!
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hill carving
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On 2/19/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
I replied a few days ago to Iain from the Netherlands about hill carving for speed control. I never mentioned bearings...If you are trying to learn hill carving and you need a little less speed, you might try a slower bearing. It makes a huge difference. I seem to kill bearings in just a couple of months...but as soon as I put in a new set, the speed goes way up. So maybe an old set or a lower abec rating would help. Iain, any luck with the carving?
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G-truck/Seismic
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On 2/18/2005 Chris B
wrote in from
United States
(68.60.nnn.nnn)
Hey, i've got a pair of those G-truck Seismic knowck offs with the G Silver springs....i heard some folks didnt like them much, but i think they're one of the best tight turning trucks i've ever had...5 foot cones with them mounted on a Suapflex Boss which has a pretty wide wheelbase...cant argue much with that...
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really loose truck
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On 2/18/2005 hc
wrote in from
United States
(67.113.nnn.nnn)
http://www.geocities.com/wackyboards/gtrucklightspring.jpg
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LDP
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On 2/18/2005 hc
wrote in from
United States
(67.113.nnn.nnn)
thx peters and derek,
I thought about doing a LDP race at GGP in SF before, maybe in the future.
From the videos, I can see that the trucks are set real loose (which explains the kingpin breakage).
In the past, I have tried exkates with shaved down black bushing and g-truck (cheap seismic clone) with very light sping from a hardware store (used as a front truck).
What I have noticed with the above trucks is the ability to pump at very low speed. On a short wb slaom setup with g-truck front and indy rear, I can pump almost from standing start and pump easily up hills at a slow pace (kind of like a low gear on a bicycle). I can pump circles on a sloped hill.
I haven't really tried LDP yet, I got a screwed up lower back that aggravates when I pump for too long.
Five minute mile pace is pretty impressive, faster than I can run.
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LDP trucks
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On 2/16/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
hi hc - Gullwing Cruiser 60's, the "real" randals, offer great energy return - maybe I've just gotten so used to 'em they feel like home. Gotta be loose but not sloppy. Been playing with Khiro and Bones hardcore bushings on those and they seem to not turn to mush as fast as others. Want to test out more Seismics, Chicken Indy's, and possibly Radikals this year (after selling a couple vital organs...) The important thing is a quick return to center which for me anyway determines how long the ride can be comfortably maintained at a good clip.
Lotta great links on your site -- I remember googling into your pages a long time ago, when looking for Gesmers article. nice stuff! -peters
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long distance pumping
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On 2/15/2005
derek munson
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey hc,
cool site- thanks for the link!
we've experimented with all kinds of trucks, and the best truck depends on the trail (as well as the boards) we're riding.
For the most part, we've stuck with the randall 150s or the gull wings. They aren't the easiest trucks for leisurely rides, but at higher speeds (relatively higher, i should say- around 12 mph or so..) the extra friction they provide starts to become a noticeable advantage.
But still, i think the seismics have their place, as do the carver trucks and originals- especially for trails that are slightly inclined, excessively curvy, or consistently changing in texture or slope.
we haven't done a ton of timed mile runs, but last summer on our longer rides (15+ miles), we were hitting our stride at just under 5 minutes/mile. I'm convinced that someone with a speck of coordination, youth, or athletic skill could average 4 minute miles consistently over the same terrain. Unfortunately, i'm a lousy representative for the groove that i'm trying to capture :)
peace,
derek munson
pavedwave.com
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LDP
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On 2/15/2005
hc
wrote in from
United States
(67.113.nnn.nnn)
peters and munson,
what kind of trucks do you guys use?
how fast can you pump a mile in?
hc
www.geocities.com/sk8sanjose
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reply to Iain/netherlands
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On 2/13/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
"How to Carve for Speed Control". INITIATE QUICKLY AND STAY COMMITED ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE TURN. Then, INITIATE QUICKLY AND STAY COMMITED ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE TURN. Then, INITIATE QUICKLY AND STAY COMMITED ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE TURN. Honestly, I'm not trying to be a smart-alec. It's really about commitment, and not hesitating. Also, don't be afraid to lean your weight back on your back leg a fair amount through the turn, and forward a bit when changing direction. The steeper the hill, the more critical this is. Having said that, there are tons of factors that influence your ability to learn this survival skill, not the least of which is your set-up. I highly recommend a flexible deck, Randal RIIs, and WIDE wheels (grippins, manx, 3dm, etc), and a wheelbase not exceeding 28". You can also practice carving on flat-ground. Try really throwing your weight into a few turns, and trying to link them up one after another. Then try a moderate slope. You should soon be able to turn so effectively that you get bored for lack of speed.
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goofy pumpin on the steeps
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On 2/12/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Crankin and pumpin on the steeps of the velodrome is a crazy ride! Most the time we're long-distance gyrating on flats which is quite different from fast-slalom pumping/sprints. Lot easier to maintain, twice as goofy ;-) Riding on this 28 degree angle throws in a whole new twist -- the curvature of the track can really throw you at first -- literally.
fyi - The Velodrome will undergo a major ($$$) resurfacing from March--> May. So it's going to be a really nice surface, but also creates more reservation from the Vel Assoc. and track biking community to reserve it out for weekend events for wheeled apparati other than track bikes -- per concerns of damage to the surface. I'm talking with the Assoc and county, as dispelling some of the misconceptions about this 'branch' of the skate community is key. Convincing them that for race events, the longboard/slalom/racing group will keep their wheels ON the pavement and that we're more into clocking race times, all out to have a good day of riding, carving, racing - not slamming, sliding and tricks they commonly associate with skatepark riding.
Originally we were looking for a good FLAT loop track -- which the velodrome also offers in the inner-most 'apron' lane. Actually this is where the majority of the racing would probably take place. We've experimented using the bottom part of the bank to generate some passing speeds. In any case, things are still a bit tentative but we're shooting for July 9th or 16th! - cheers, peters
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goofy skatin
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On 2/12/2005
david
wrote in from
United States
(68.167.nnn.nnn)
pete, saw your video, thats some pretty strange style of pumping, i'm used to the more traditional style that slalom racers use. i'm in olympia, and i dont currently have a car, once spring comes around i might be down to go to the velodrome to skate, also bring the fixed gear bike to ride around on.
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