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On 11/9/2003 toddc
wrote in from
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Yes, I am posting in another non-slalom forum.
First off, it is easy to get into extreme and simplistic thinking when it comes to war. Jonnyx and Arab are both guilty of this. Simplistic left wing and right wing views.
Now, we are 6 months or more into this war and it is time for reflection. What has been accomplished? Some good (Saddam is gone). Some bad (Iraq is in tatters - no electricity, no jobs, no stability, nearly 10,000 civilians dead, 300+ US dead)
So the right wingers can claim victory and the left wingers can claim injustice and both are right. It's complex. I think 75% of people out there don't know what to make of things. The extremists on both sides are very sure of their opinions which shows that neither is really thinking.
This simplistic lack of thinking leads to contradictory emotions when reality sets in. For instance, Hugh R (who by most accounts is a stand up guys and has always been cool to me), states that he falls to his knees in tears when he thinks his son may have to go to Iraq. This illustrates that the thinking that goes into supporting the military meets with a hard reality when the potential death of a loved one is possible. It has always been so, and that's the tragedy of war. (personally, I would fall to my knees in tears if my kid joined the military). At the same time, there is no way that someone like Johnnyx can really support a tyrant like Saddam.
It is also the reason that we need to make sure that war is necessary. Because people should not be lost for causes that are not necessary.
So here we are, 6 months down the road. Was this war necessary? Are 10,000 Iraqi deaths necessary? Are the 32 good men lost week necessary? I don't think so, but I'm not smart enough to see the future and to know the eventual truth of this.
My guess is neither side is right. We won't have a flourishing democratic society in Iraq for a generation or two if that. However, we also won't have despot killing with an iron fist whenever he feels like it.
Instead we will probably have an instable situtation for another 20 years or so, and that $87 billion will turn into $200 billion in another ten years (while American schools crumble, borders crumble, industrial sector crumbles, etc.). And then in 20 years, Arab can say we were right. Johnnyx can say we were wrong. And hopefully Hugh R's kid will be alive, and we can go on believing whatever simplistic notions we want to about what took place this past 6 months and the next 20 years.
But don't forget, each life lost is a terrible sin unless it was absolutely, without question, necessary.
In the meantime, I'll be here sitting on my fence, hoping diplomacy can avoid such travesties in the future which probably makes me a loser in both Arabs and Jonnys eyes. At least it is something they can agree upon.
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On 11/9/2003
Martin Siegrist
wrote in from
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Hey guys, what's going on? Jonny is a nice guy. I raced with him. He's cool. If you don't like people which are not from USA, then you should stop skateboarding!
... and you know what: SHUT THE f#@! UP
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On 11/9/2003 jonnyx
wrote in from
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oh and while our sedition act remains in place, yours was repealed very shortly after being put into place as unconstitional, was it not?
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On 11/9/2003 jonnyx
wrote in from
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arab wrote "I believe in the sedition act"
hehehe i have been arrested under our 1917 sedition act, but unfortunately i was not charged with what Oscar Wilde called "the worlds most honourable crime"
and your point is?
pffffffffffwwwaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr
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On 11/9/2003
Michael
wrote in from
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Hey Arab. Glenn is right about the house thing at least!
But for you info even thats worth 6 times less than at least two others I skate with. And Lennox Lewis (world heavyweight Boxing champ) lives 200yds from my front door, I guess I must be slumming it.
Arguing about property prices is a lost cause for you, especially against Brits but the rest of your arguments are pretty good. 'cept for the N word which I take offense at used in ANY context.
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On 11/9/2003 jonnyx
wrote in from
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wax wrote ; "so the hatred twords us isnt as bad as some would lead us to believe"
hehehe so why wont bush address parliament when he gets here in 2 weeks? and why will there be NO red carpet treatment?
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On 11/9/2003 G7enn
wrote in from
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Yeah, all your quotes were out of context. For what it's worth I don't disagree with what you were saying in most of them.
I was just trying to illustate how lame it is to drag up a small part of a year old post in an attempt to dicredit someone.
Johny's comments were f*cked up and indefensible but originally made in response to a bunch of sabre rattling, xenophobic 'hawks' in a completely different forum. Selectively quoting them in response to his 'glad someone is counting the iraqi dead' post is also f*cked up.
Oh, and bragging about the value of your house is lame, otherwise i'd tell you how much more than that mine's worth.
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On 11/9/2003
Arab
wrote in from
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Hey G7enn(out of context)-jonny douchebags doesnt want thier heads? maybe you can explain these comments from jonny for us all.
"arab i have mailed you some screenshots i took of dead and dying american soldiers i hope they make you laugh the way i did"
"hey my personal hope is that saddam wastes so many american boys the US will no longer have the strength or the will to impose itself on other nations in future"
Out of context, Try spot on the money Pal!
As for my posts that you have takin out of context,
Yep I said every word, Niggers come in all shapes sizes and colors, you and jonny are Niggers, it doesnt pertain to ones skin color.
"Jonny Commy is gonna a have a very Large Welcomeing committee when he comes to the US, Heck even the Marine Corps is gonna be there to salute him in their own special way"
This was in referance to some skateboarders that are in the military that took offense to jonny douchebags anti US propaganda, and your point is?
"people die, tough s#@!."
Yep, happens every day, in my front yard and in yours, live with it, deal with it and go on, dont dwell on it, and your point is?
"I answered the door and put my 9mm right to his face and backed him right back to his car calling him every Nigger word I could think of"
Yep, This was in referance to the Nigger that hit my mother, he's lucky I didint shoot his ass. And your point is?
"If I was left in charge, bleeding heart US liberals that shout anti BUSH propaganda during war times would be put in jail"
I believe in the sedition act, and your point is?
"Why am I conversing with non entities of skateboarding"
This basically means you G7enn, and your point is?
"I live in a $500.000.00 home but a stones throw from the beach" Actually the price has gone up, my neighbor just sold his house for $565.000.00. And your point is?
"I dont like Niggers"
I dont like you or jonny, and your point is?
What does and of this have to do with WAR?
Your out of context scumbag
To make this slalom related
Slalom is Fun
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On 11/9/2003 Dave G
wrote in from
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Distilled: "To purify or refine"
All this politics belongs elswhere, I've lost friends to war, and my father @ 82 years of age has fought in 3 wars and would have gladly given his life as a sacrifice to the freedom U.S.A enjoys!! Yet I don't tend to dwell on the idiocracy I read here!!
SLALOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On 11/9/2003 LBB
wrote in from
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George Bernard Shaw was asked why he didnt like Americans and he said "They are the English.....distilled"
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On 11/9/2003 george g.
wrote in from
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Kinda sad in many ways when a few of our slalom family, Mrs. Zannah Hacket and Hugh tell us about their children. Just being a Mom and a Dad. They are part of our community. They shared part of themselves. Because they thought possibly there was something/somebody here to relate to. I know I do relate better to many of you and even tho we are 100's of miles apart it doesn't make us less friends. When I was in the hospital I got a few emails from people I met right here. I made me feel pretty good, better than laying in the hospital anyway.. I cannot understand the USA bashing in that context. As a former Marine I seriously empathize with you both and each of you have been in my thought and prayers for the last two days.
Don't blame Arab for that prior, If I retorted yesterday it would have been worse, I was very saddened by some of that rubbish.
I am so stoked, WLAC, JPL, Cliff C's Birthday. It is going to be good! David Carrasco 3-3rds on Nov 2, that's awesome! are you ready to go pro yet? I'll be chasing you merrily down the hill.
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On 11/9/2003 wax
wrote in from
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Its kinda funny how some british hate americans som badly, but whe I was there 2 months ago, they were wearing US clothes, listening to US music, following our fashions, and every bar full of young people was serving Budweiser (the crappy us version) and many had MTV playing....god, it must be hard to live in a country that hates America as much as the Brits, yet be stuck following the trends of us...
P.S. I only met 2 people who didnt like americans, and many of the older Englishmen I spoke with were able to see through the crap of the media, and know why the young men/women from our countries are there fighting, and risking their lives, so the hatred twords us isnt as bad as some would lead us to believe
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On 11/9/2003 Dave G
wrote in from
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You guys need to email..this is getting boring!! And irritating!
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On 11/9/2003 out of context quoting is fun
wrote in from
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Arab: Johnyx didn't "call for the heads of their kids", he suggested we might want to also consider the thousands of dead iraqis too, which is the spirit of rememberance day here in the UK. You of course decided to drag up some old Johnyx quotes and use them out of context.
But if that's the way this forum works, let's see a little Arab from around the same time:
"Jonny Commy is gonna a have a very Large Welcomeing committee when he comes to the US, Heck even the Marine Corps is gonna be there to salute him in their own special way"
"people die, tough s#@!."
"I answered the door and put my 9mm right to his face and backed him right back to his car calling him every Nigger word I could think of"
"If I was left in charge, bleeding heart US liberals that shout anti BUSH propaganda during war times would be put in jail"
"Why am I conversing with non entities of skateboarding"
"I live in a $500.000.00 home but a stones throw from the beach"
"I dont like Niggers"
And loads of crap about Indys of course
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On 11/9/2003 not in my back yard
wrote in from
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posts here show concern only for citizens of one country all other nations can die they will never get a mention here. that is disgusting. is it really just a US passport that makes a aliufe worthwile?
perhaps this will make thing clearer -
in the US you have veterans day where you remember your war dead
in the UK we have remembrace day where we remember ALL VICTIMS OF WAR.
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On 11/9/2003
Arab
wrote in from
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Lansing-Yeah I couldnt agree more with you, what a bummer that Jack, Hugh and the lovely Zannah Hackett had to express some personal feelings on the slalom forum about those that fight for our country instead of something that deals with slalom, what a bummer that jonnyx has to call for the heads of their kids, If I was you I would be ashamed of myself knowing that you really dont care about those that fight for your freedom to say as you please on the slalom forum.
As for Jack and John G. and Chris and Glen and Hugh quiting or getting booted from this forum, Lets see, Jack, posted yesterday, Chris posted today, John Gilmour posted a few days ago, Hugh posted yesterday, Whos Glen? is that the guy that tried to take money out of the webmasters Pocket by trying to get the advertising vendors to pull their ads from NCDSA unless the webmaster banned me? maybe if you got a problem with me, you could by an ad, call me all the names you want, then pull the ad because I respond to it?
When you say:
It seems that many people have some personal problem with you, and I have NO idea if they are founded or not
If you dont know if they are "founded or not" then why are you commenting or trying to rebuke me, is this a case of the pot calling the kettle black?
Or this:
But I have noticed that you regularly bash people if they aren't winning races
Please take the time to use the search function here at NCDSA and repost the post where I have bashed somebody for not winning races. Im the one that gets bashed for not winning races! But then again I race against the best racers in the world, I dont spend much time and money sandbagging to get a win, like some guys that havent the talent to do good against the best, I prefer to test my skills against the best. Please be more specific instead of throwing out generalizations.
Or this:
"but if anyone actually cares about slalom, then it seems like a friggin' no brainer that this forum is hurtin' and probably actually turns many readers/skaters OFF to slalom.
Lansing-go to the homepage here at NCDSA, you will see that this is the busiest forum here, it is the first and foremost slalom forum on the net, ofton imitated, never duplicated. Slalom is thriving world wide, and non slalomers like yourself will not bring it down, no matter how hard you try.
or this:
so maybe people should just take all this crap over there
Yeah maybe Jack , Hugh, Zannah and jonny should have takin it over there, I was fifth in line on the topic, why are you attacking me? maybe you should heed your own words and "take all this crap over there"...... instead of bringing it here?
Lansing-maybe everybody should just stop posting on NCDSA so you can catch up, lets all do this, we can refrain from posting until you show up and catch up on the current events or topic of the day, once you have caught up and are on the same page as the rest of us, let everybody know then we can go on for one more day, you can show up again 3 days later catch up with the days worth of posts and we will do it again, I know once we all can make you happy that this will be a much better place.
Thanx for your concern about all these people not posting about Slalom on the slalom forum.
Now you are one of them also.
By the way, I enjoyed your second post ever in 3 yrs on the slalom forum, Thanx for contributing.
Fluitt-D id Jason show up? Stoked watching Pirnack at Breck this year, You guys got it going on!
WAX-Jonny is from the UK, he hates anything and everything that has to do with the evil USA, you know that country that is trying to rid the world of his beloved terrorist killer tyrant dictator friends.
Slalom is Fun!
God Bless America and its Allies
Oh and by the way, During Desert Storm I had a friend that was in the military, He was stationed in Saudi Arabia, he and some other skaters built a ramp near their barracks, They also took the time to share the joy of skateboarding with the natives. War grows skateboarding in places it would never be. How cool is that!
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On 11/8/2003 wax
wrote in from
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jonnyx...what country are you from? just curious...are you french? I guess you realise that if my and many other Americans grandfathers would have stayed home 60 years ago you would not be speaking french, youd be speaking german, so I guess they should have stayed home then, but now we need to be where we are to stop the large loss of life that was happening, hopefully our troops can come home soon...
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On 11/8/2003
Lansing
wrote in from
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Man, this forum is somethin' else! I'm a "longtime lurker" who has been reading & sometimes posting to ncdsa for over 3 years, and of all the forums on ncdsa the slalom forum is by FAR the most out-of-control (and 75% off-topic, it seems).
Call me lame, but IMO it gets really, really, reeeeeally OLD and tiring and downright boring having to slog through politics and personal attack after personal attack after personal attack (and the dozens of responses) to pick out the posts that actually deal with *slalom*. (or street slalom or whatever)
As an outside observer with no professional or personal interests at stake, I think it's a fair and simple (and disturbing) observation that when some of the longest slalom advocates/supporters like Jack and John G. and Chris and Glen and Hugh either quit or get booted or whatever, then something is SERIOUSLY screwed up in this forum. Seriously.
(And before I get bashed: Arab - No, I'm not a slalom racer and I totally suck at it but enjoy doing it. :-) It seems that many people have some personal problem with you, and I have NO idea if they are founded or not. But I have noticed that you regularly bash people if they aren't winning races, which seems irrelevent as to whether their post is valid or not. Anyway...
I have NO personal relationship with any of the pro-Arab or anti-Arab factions, but if anyone actually cares about slalom, then it seems like a friggin' no brainer that this forum is hurtin' and probably actually turns many readers/skaters OFF to slalom.
My suggestion would be for Adam to add a whole new forum where people can have all the personal and political discussions they want. Like the "take it outside" forum? Or the "flamethrower" forum? The "bulletin board" sorta functioned that way 2-3 years back, and lately the "guest book" seems to be 90% politics & personal stuff, so maybe people should just take all this crap over there.
Yes, yes -- occasional flames *will* happen, and discussions can and do get "heated" -- that has always been the case, in every forum -- it's amazing how hot-and-bothered people can get about truck geometry, for example! But at least most of the heated discussions on the other forums remain "on-topic." This forum, on the other hand, just takes the freakin' cake. When you log on to the "guest book," you pretty much know that you aren't going to find many posts that actually deal with skateboarding, so whatever. But it is really lame that the "slalom" forum has turned into the same thing!
For regular ncdsa addicts (i.e. people who read 7-days a week and post at least 3 times a week, sometimes 3 a day), slogging through all this crap is OK, I guess. But for those who are actually INTERESTED in skating but only check in once a week or so, catching up on page after page after page of personal garbage and sarcasm and/or childish attacks is just a drag.
Sure, there are those who will say "So what? Stay the f&$% away if you don't like it." But I'm not so sure that the *vast* majority of users would agree. In fact, I would venture quite the contrary.
Lansing
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On 11/8/2003 JONNYX
wrote in from
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talking of ghosts ......
Iraqi civilian casualties now stand at 9,657, according to figures compiled by an independent website run by academics and peace activists, www.iraqbodycount.net
its a good job someones counting.
"we dont do body counts" - paul bremer
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On 11/7/2003 snoball
wrote in from
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Wow, so we could have our very own male model to hit?
Your fees are probably way out of my financial ability
though.
You must drive your doctor crazy with all this hitting.
Sounds dangerous.
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On 11/3/2003
kasper james
wrote in from
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i would like to say that the band s/b/r is currently seeking a new drummer, were pros from simi pro bands from the last 5 years, hit me up on a email if your interested or know of someone who might be, thanks. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx other then that i would like to extend a invitation to those who are interested in the lowest prices for tee shirts!!! we can make em for the best and lowest cost, then most areas locations, hit me up for that as well. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx on another topic i am a singer lyricist, if you need lyrics hit me up i have around 1000, and i wanna get rid of some , i have every style of music, if anyones established and wants a hit or two. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx i also modal, so if your looking for a male modal then hit me ! kasper james oh, damn i almost forgot, i also do art work, for bands tees cds albums, ect, hit me up for a promo pak on an email thanks kasper james
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On 10/31/2003
spookyball
wrote in from
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BOO!
Happy Halloween you spooky skaters :-)
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On 10/28/2003 no waaay mannn
wrote in from
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catching a ride with an artificial wave is as much to do with surfing as picking which fish you are going to eat at a sushi bar is to fishing
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On 10/24/2003
mugu
wrote in from
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great site
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On 10/24/2003
Rich C
wrote in from
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You can, of course, get 100% artificial surfing. I'm talking either a wave pool or one of them standing wave contraptions. Mountain biking works very well in an urban environment, you can snowboard on a dry slope or an indoor slope. I guess skateparks are an artificial version of natural skateboarding which would be any bank; pool etc. outside of a park. About the only sport/lifestyle/artform that I can think of that it would be very difficult to reproduce is anything that involves wind power. I love 'em all!
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