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On 7/14/2002
Andy
wrote in from
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Man did I have a fun day in NJ! Whoda thought we had rides like this?
Broke 60 today. That's not too fast to some of you guys, but it was fast to me...and FUN!
Check out my pics if you like. And I hope to have some video up soon if I can figure what the heck an FTP is!
http://groups.msn.com/AlienX2002/someoldercurrentstuff.msnw
Andy
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On 7/12/2002 Ben
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for my 1st few months I would start my breaking with my heels 1st down & as the primary traction point. I would go thru a pair of shoes every couple rides- I get vans in the mail no charge but not a pair a day so I started using my feet flat while applying more pressure to the fronts of my feet. The chatter phenomenon is a real threat that occurs when you stomp your foot down flat in rapid attempt to break. I learned to deal with it by 1st puttin my feet down on the edge & gradually flattening them. And if the ever start chatter, just rotate them up to the edges-lil toe side or big toe side depending on which way your turning)
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On 7/3/2002
bob
wrote in from
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something i forgot to mention about braking...it's real important to hold on to the board
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On 7/1/2002 hc
wrote in from
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helmet,
landluge.com
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On 6/30/2002
Andy
wrote in from
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Yea, that brake bounce is tough. I've been afraid to put tire tread on my sneaks because I didn't want any more traction. But I am tired of trashing a set of sneaks every session or two, so I guess it's time!
So I rode those hills again today...faster and more relaxed. I also wore a downhill bike helmet, which looks like a motocross helmet. Sad to say, but it was a mistake. I couldn't see a thing unless I sat way up.
So what are those helmets I see in all the luge pics?? Anybody wear one? Like it? Any other ideas??
Thanks. Andy
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On 6/29/2002 PSR
wrote in from
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An addendum,of sorts; Bob does make a good point on 'heels first',as stubbing one's toes at 55 mph sucks! My previous rant is not aimed at those who use heels heavily,but rather,it's aimed at two finer points in braking-Pressure,or too much is bad;and, Don't use a small portion of your shoes,as that leads to both wear and pressure problems. I looked at my trusty ol' Vans,and they're bald,with very little sole left under the toebox,inner arch,and HOLES at the heels. Guess which part of my feet touches down first and last? Oh,btw,anyone else out there using steel-toed, urethane-soled, low-top sneakers?
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On 6/29/2002 PSR
wrote in from
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Matt,the best braking "tactic" is to copy what skiers do to slow down;they put their feet in a 'wedge',IE,with the toes pointed slightly inwards.This puts your knees close tgether,and tends to put your feet flat,as opposed to burning the heels off your shoes.You have to understand that too much pressure,especially on too small an area(heels,by example) will cause your muscles to rebound,hence that dreaded chatter underfoot just before that gnarl hairpin.A flat foot dosen't require alot of pressure downwards,as the larger surface area does the braking with much geater efficiency.Less pressure will likely mean less bounce.In my case,it means walking away from a ride,as my knee is kinda SNAFU at this point,so I have to be very light with my braking,and precise with my foot placement.An added benny to getting the 'wedged-flat-foot' braking dialed is that your shoes also last longer...
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On 6/29/2002
bob
wrote in from
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braking.... heels down first !
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On 6/29/2002 Matt
wrote in from
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Cheers guys for the advise....I'll try to relax a little.
One more question then...how do you brake without juddering your feet (like when you need to brake really hard)....cos I keep messing that up too, and I actually got spat off the front of my board the other day when my feet gripped a little too hard and went under the board!
Please help...I want to have this riding style sorted in time to race at Hotheels!
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On 6/28/2002
E.K.
wrote in from
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Howzit!!!!
Just got back from Hwawii. Went to visit my family back there and some "classic" hill I rode when I was a kid. it was pretty easy to bring my buttboard along. I even got to carry it on the plane with me (carry-on sir?). Got alot of weird looks from people but I got to explain the "odd-looking" skateboard and what buttboarding is to some curious onlookers.
There was hills but not suitable to ride... too much traffic and unsafe. But on O'ahu the famous Tanlus Drive was open. I was told that several riders from the mainland bomd this hill (VERY SCENIC). Still had brake skid marks on the curves. Bomded my old hill in PearlRidge (once known as "Cadillac Hill" in the 70's). I was clocked riding this hill (stand-up) in 1976, when there were no residential housing, at 48mph on old school equipment and I mean "old school"... loose ball bearings and open racers and cadillac wheels. Talk about crazy! Now hitting at that speed was no sweat. It was a good "welcome back home" gesture. My time in Hawaii was an experience for buttboarding. If there is anyone in Hawaii buttboards, e-mail me. I'll be back next year.
Aloha. ek
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On 6/28/2002
E.K.
wrote in from
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Howzit!!!!
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On 6/23/2002
Andy
wrote in from
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Man, I went through (am going through!) the same thing a while back.
I think the wobbles can be controlled just like when you are standing up. You just don't immediately understand it because you have less apparent body movement to work with.
For me, I just relax and stretch out a little. Kinda envision yourself as a javelin. The times I wobble the most are ALWAYS when my mind gets tight. Just relax your mind or it will translate to your body and then you are beat.
Case in point. I rode some new (faster) hills with my buddy last weekend, and I wobbled all the way down the first run and half of the second because I was so worried about the unkown that I kept tensing up and dragging my feet, getting ready to bail to the brakes. It would get the worst entering a turn because I was the most worried at that point. A can I make the turn kind of thing. But as soon as I knew I had enough skill to make the turn, I would relax and stretch back out and pick my feet up and the deck would instantly straighten out and settle down.
I think it's the same standing up. It feels like you weight your front foot a little more, and maybe you do, but I think it's more that you relaxed into a stable stance.
That's just the way it feels to me.
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On 6/23/2002 Duane
wrote in from
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PSR hit the nail on the head with that padding comment. I was body bounced by a large pavement crack, and bucked right off the board. I borrowed the board and it had no padding. I basically slid off the front when the board hesitated on the crack. Yep it hurt in spite of excellent safety gear. Look at some of the pics at www.buttboarding.com and auldovertheroad.com There are many pics of buttboards outfitted with such padding. As for where to get one, if you don't want to build it, get it from www.landluge.com, available complete or just the deck. If you get the complete I would suggest subbing some kryptonics classic 70mm wheels for the rubber ones shown. Just email and ask and you will be able to do this. Then, when you get decent at it, substitute abec 11 flashbacks 75a front and 72a rear. The kryptos are more durable for all the screwing up you will do initially, but the abecs are faster.
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On 6/22/2002 Pre-School Rider
wrote in from
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Whew,Matt,that's a tough one.. I try to relax at the lats(muscle along the sides of the ribs/stomach),get my Elbows UP,grab on the deck near the hips,and put my feet out-knees bent-feet flat to stabilize the front by braking if needed.Is your deck padded at all? I know that might sound odd,but I've noticed that bombing on unpadded decks can create 'body-bounce' in some situations(manhole covers,by example),where padded seating-equipped decks just sail on thru. What I did on my last Buttboard was go to www.longskate.com,and buy the stick-on foamtop stuff (the 'Camo' colors were $19/roll),and covered the deck in two 3" wide strips.Between those strips,I left bare wood,mostly.I also put Velcro Tape in the center strip,and use that to attach foam(wrapped in duct tape)pieces to further pad areas along the deck(lumbar support,under the thighs,etc).These are movable to custom fit the deck to different riders,removable(putting your butt lower,but still on the stick-on camo foam)for better cornering or even Standup runs. One last thing comes to mind about wobbles. Check your truck bushings,and try not to use conical shaped bushings,but rather square-souldered ones(like the Bottom ones in Doh-Doh sets).They don't wobble as easily.
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On 6/22/2002 Matt
wrote in from
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How do you stop speed wobbles when you are going down a hill really fast? (I race stand-up and can kill wobbles by leaning forwards and relaxing more....but I can't do that on a buttboard).
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On 6/21/2002
Fast Eddie Devil Man
wrote in from
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I race a gravity bike but the next race I go to I want to race the bike and a butt board. Where can I buy a good buttboard that meets all the contest specs and will ship it to me in Kansas City? thanx Fast Eddie outty
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On 6/20/2002
John Hughes
wrote in from
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In the 1970s we used a long board to skate Rancho Santa Fe hills,Calif. we were on our BUTTS, although not many cars at that time, speeds were in the 40s-50s, The concourse in San Diego was a great place, 11 storys with a elavator to get back to the top, and I gess you could call it BUTT boarding, Don't forget the RINO RACING TEAM (cat)out of Encinitas, We all got tickets in the end and it was not cheep, We may all be alot older but it looks like we still have the need for speed,
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On 6/17/2002
lol la saccoche
wrote in from
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hie.
i would like to talk with people who came in France at the edi world cup in Argonay.i want to know if they have appreciate our country... thanks!!!
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On 6/10/2002
Chris
wrote in from
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Sorry its taken a while to get these up.I only got back from Aviemore on Sunday after the clean up.
Results are at www.gravitysports.co.uk/results2002.htm
A HUGE thanks to everyone who helped, all the marshalls,all those who helped set up the course and helped take it down, especially John Croft who stuck with me for 12 hours through all weathers to load the 1440 bales back onto trailers.Thanks to Eric and Jet for the smooth running of the event, thanks to Batesy and all my friends and family for their help and support,thanks to buddy Darren for all his help with the speedsticks (which are the best thing since sliced bread)and Arlene for being Arlene ,Kent and Mark for their pics and last but by no means least THANK YOU to all the riders for making the event such a success with NO sanctioning body OR peg ruling OR political bulls#@! but LOADS AND LOADS OF RACING AND FUN!
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On 6/10/2002
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
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Plywood $5
Bearings $8
Wheels $32
Trucks $40
Misc Xtras $15
Barreling down a hill at 60mph an inch off the ground while shoulder to shoulder and head to toe with a bunch good friends...
...priceless baby!
Spend a hundred bucks. Get in the game. Can you tell which guys are on streetluges and which are on buttboards in the following pictures?
Pictures from Kent Kochheiser atKKPkoto.net.
1. Dave Rogers on his pegless streetluge leads the pack.
2. Dave Rogers on his buttboard leads the pack.
3. Darren Lott smokes his shoes to set up for the hairpin.
4. Darren Lott qualifies low down and dirty. He took the gold.
5. Chris McBride at over 225lbs, overcoming centrifugal force.
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On 6/9/2002 hc
wrote in from
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i don't get the skateluge deal
get a buttboard, you can sit up or lie down.
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On 6/8/2002
Nicky (a guy)
wrote in from
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Is buttboarding worth the investment for the whole set up? I was thinking of just getting like a skateluge to mess around on butt is buttboarding alot better. Any help would be super splendid and fabu. ;)()()()():":"::P{L)_O_)L
Thanks,
Nicky Calonne
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On 6/7/2002
Darren Lott
wrote in from
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Of the 20+ Buttboard racers in Scotland, only 5 had Flashbacks.
All 5 of these people made it to the finals.
The 72 durometer Flashbacks were prone to rock cuts, where the 75 duros seemed as fast and grippy.
Dave Rogers came up with a trick of running the 72s in back and the 75s in front. It also worked well for me.
Very nice, smooth ride.
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On 6/3/2002 Mario
wrote in from
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Howzit again!
Well been busy with other stuff these past month but got to buttboard some great places.
Rode a "newer" section of the Jordan Narrows, up at Point of the Mountain. Has a 5% drop and a left turn that goes into a S turn and drops again into a straight way. It ends going up hill and into a large parking lot. It's a good hill to practice on, no trafffic to throw your concentration.
My next ride was in Park City. They have all sorts of bike trails, mostly dirt that goes all over the city and out into the wilderness. But I spyed a section of paved trail (paved in concrete and asphalt) that runs from the top of main street and runs out into the connecting dirt trails. It's hard to describe this section but it drops down between the buildings and condos and runs along the river. It's pretty cool due to the fact it runs through two tunnels and up and over connecting paths. It passes along the city's skate park and zooms down several other points of interest. There's alot of twist and turns and sections where you are going 30mph and require definite focus due to going over several rises. It's a rush and a great ride to practice technqics on. Anyone who lives in Utah and wants to ride Park City, let me know. There's also a couple of great hills before you get to Park City that rates at 45 to 50 mph (I know... buttboarded them and smoked my "kick-around" bearings... they screamed like the mother... time to get new bearings).
Well just reporting from Utah.
Peace. ek
On 5/26/2002 mikez wrote in from 196.2.xxx.xxx:
broke my buttboard today... TWICE! apparantly they don't like being ramped off kickers. This leaves me only one choice, build a stronger board, build a higher ramp, find a steeper road, go back and get a picture or seven to show you guys.
On 5/25/2002 Andy wrote in from 65.129.xxx.xxx:
Yea...cotton leathers are just not working out the way I hoped.
http://communities.msn.com/_Secure/0LQAAAEQOYDf6sWqKH1Ftf1FhN7NRmAUfp85oCE75FUKV8KF6SGV4pIwvV!ejv!uk7TfH5JSpJlw/RashBS.JPG
On 5/24/2002 lol "la saccoche" wrote in from 213.36.xxx.xxx:
thanks to all who answered me. it has helped me a lot. it's funny cause the butt i've think was aproximatly the same as american's buttboards i've seen on the website... with lill' modifications!!!;-)
is there anyone who came riding in france? mail me if someone want informations about where riding...i know France is far...but cool for extreme ride! and don't forget world cup 8th 9th june in argonay. bye.
On 5/23/2002 Darren Lott wrote in from 68.5.xxx.xxx:
www.Buttboarding.com
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On 5/28/2002
E.K.
wrote in from
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Howzit again!
Well been busy with other stuff these past month but got to buttboard some great places.
Rode a "newer" section of the Jordan Narrows, up at Point of the Mountain. Has a 5% drop and a left turn that goes into a S turn and drops again into a straight way. It ends going up hill and into a large parking lot. It's a good hill to practice on, no trafffic to throw your concentration.
My next ride was in Park City. They have all sorts of bike trails, mostly dirt that goes all over the city and out into the wilderness. But I spyed a section of paved trail (paved in concrete and asphalt) that runs from the top of main street and runs out into the connecting dirt trails. It's hard to describe this section but it drops down between the buildings and condos and runs along the river. It's pretty cool due to the fact it runs through two tunnels and up and over connecting paths. It passes along the city's skate park and zooms down several other points of interest. There's alot of twist and turns and sections where you are going 30mph and require definite focus due to going over several rises. It's a rush and a great ride to practice technqics on. Anyone who lives in Utah and wants to ride Park City, let me know. There's also a couple of great hills before you get to Park City that rates at 45 to 50 mph (I know... buttboarded them and smoked my "kick-around" bearings... they screamed like the mother... time to get new bearings).
Well just reporting from Utah.
Peace. ek
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