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On 8/16/2002 PSR
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E.K.,that was indeed a joke.The Barn Door was WIDE open on that one;couldn't resist. There are serious thoughts behind it nonetheless.I've been riding lay-down speedboards for over 20 years,and I've seen my fair share of wipeouts.I've departed company with sleds at well over the mile-a-minute mark,and at that point,you DON'T want to impact on anything! Necks are fragile,skulls irreplaceable. Too Extreme? Maybe... BTW,I don't mind smacktalkin',certainly not if you haven't seen me ride,or where I ride. I ain't the fastest,nor ballsiest,but I ride often,and with either the Buttboard or Luge I'm often a ways over the posted speed limit.I don't have outstanding medical bills,and plan to keep it that way. Have either of you bailed at speed yet? That may change your mind on skeltons,or may not. I know I've got contingency plans for the little 'oops' episodes that can occur,and have built my rides with those thing in mind. Experience is a great teacher. As for my e-mail,it's lost in the archives,but probably findable.I don't mind discussions,just HATE viruses! So,please,don't assume the worst here; My joke may have hit a nerve,but it wasn't intended in bad taste.
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On 8/16/2002
Tommy
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I thought the stopping thing (PSR post) was just a joke... am I wrong ? However going downhill on your butt, back, stomach, head first, feet first, peg first... use saftey gear, have fun, share the roads and be tolerant. What I read in an event information email from france: ...BE GOOD - HELL COULD BE FLAT... love it. cheers
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On 8/15/2002
EK
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Now come on guys. I know that the idea of "head first", skeleton position, sounds "dangerous" but the same thought ran through the minds of people with the first person doing stand-up at 40mph (which is common nowdays). The method my son slows down is by dragging the toes of shoes. The toes of the shoes have tire tread attached to them and like luge, this helps him to slow down. Others I have seen have skate brakes on their boards. I am not saying that this style of "speed boarding" is safe but the same goes for all of our speed boarding when precautions are not thought out and researched. And I like to say to the post from PSR, Hey! at least have the balls to put your e-mail address so that we can discuss this more civilized than just making wise a#* comments. At least let me send you a video of this style of extreme boarding before you judge. But I guess this is too "extreme" for you... Laters.
ek
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On 8/15/2002 PSR
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Well,with a Skeleton,the head hits first,and that stops the body...
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On 8/15/2002 hc
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skeleton? how is he stopping?
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On 8/15/2002
E.K.
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This past weekend went out with my "son" and our newly made boards (one's a buttboard and the other a 'skeleton' style board)to a hill out near Park City (in Utah) to test them out. The frontage road has a mile long hill called 'Mayflower' and it runs along the Jordenelle Lake. It's aprox. 8% grade and it is smooth. After a couple of "practice" runs we decided to see how fast this hill is. With a radar gun, we were clocked in the high 50s (54 to 55mph). But my son had to out do my fastest, which was 55mph on my buttboard, and with his skeleton board was clocked at 63 mph! This was also confirmed by a sheriff's radar gun... he came by after someone reported that some "kids" were skateboarding in traffic (yea... right). It was cool to get the officer's professional reading. It stoked my son (and scared him... better protective gear?). Well hopefully we will be attending the next Barrett Junction event. See you all there!
ek
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On 7/29/2002 Andy
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Sean.
Thanks. That actually does help a lot. Seems like everyone is sitting up enough to be able to see past the front of the helmet. Especially the oneguy on the back left side of the second link you posted. So I guess I am right where I need to be but now I have to sell the helmet and try the luge store guys again for a smaller size.
Thanks for the help!
Andy
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On 7/28/2002
sean c
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sorry, that second link should be
http://www.gravitysportsinternational.com/events/6.8.02/images/P6085717.jpg
sean c
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On 7/28/2002 sean c
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andy here is a picture from buttboarding.com they're wearing the wedge helmets with their chins resting on their chest. i'm new to this whole picture thing, so if it doesn't work be patient.
here's two other links of buttboarding pictures
http://www.gravitysportsinternational.com/events/5.25.02/images/P5250010.jpg
http://www.gravitysportsinternational.com/events/5.25.02/images/P5250010.jpg
i tried to get all angles covered. in the last picture you can see that we're just holding our heads up, with no headrests. i'm sure you can find other great buttboarding pictures at dave aulds site http://www.auldovertheroad.com or http://www.kkphoto.net this is all of course if you haven't checked out http://www.buttboarding.com
sean c
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On 7/28/2002
sean c
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tommy, i'm using the landluge.com visors that they made to go on the snowrider helmets. however, they aren't making them any more, i believe. lol, yes i have experienced the fogging problem, but i've never experienced the visor blowing open at speed. you really want to tighten the nuts on the side of the visor as tight as they can be, so you can open your visor a tiny bit and see below it in the rain. also, with fogging, some riders drill holes in the bottom of the visor to prevent it from fogging up.
sean c
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On 7/25/2002
Andy
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Thanks guys. I guess it's possible I am just missing something, But I wore it with the visor open and couldn't see unless I was almost in a seated breaking position (not close to prone).
I could lay flatter and see if I pushed the helmet forward on my head, but this didn't seem to be a decent solution. And I guess it shouldn't be loose enough to do that anyway.
So are you guys using headrests or something, Or do you have any pictures of how you ly on the board. I am just wondering if everyone is sitting up more than they think, or more than I want to.
Thanks. Andy
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On 7/25/2002
ek
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My "long" trak to West LA College this past 21st was an experience. I would like to thank Scott Peer for making me feel welcomed and same goes to Bob Ozman and the IGSA people. Driving from Utah to particate in the buttboarding division was a learning experience for me. Racing with and watching these group of boarders help me improve my riding skills. Also just the "group thing" makes a big difference in taking your level of riding to a new level. Thanks to all the particates who were there. I will be back to the next Culver City gathering. Laters brahs!
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On 7/25/2002
Tommy
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Hello Andy,
what sean_c says is right, the most guys I know who use the wedge helmets cut their own visors for better visability. But this seems to create another little problem. Almost everyone uses tape to stop the wedge helmet visor from opening itself at higher speed... this creates another prob e.g. when it is raining because then it seems to get very foggy inside the helmet ;-) Any problems with that sean_c ? cheers Tommy
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On 7/24/2002
sean c
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andy i've never had issues with the wedge helmets. were you using the visor that came with it? those visors weren't the best and do restrict visibility.
as far as the lugestore and landluge.com (the same place) i've never had issues with them, but you do have to be patient sometimes.
sean c
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On 7/24/2002 Andy
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Thanks for the respomse. I actually got a wedge but I don't like it. For one thing is it oversized. I bought the same size as my motorcycle helmets but this one is at least a size larger in reality.
I also still can't see out of it. I use it buttboarding without a headrest. Maybe the headrest would push the back of the helmet up and create more visibility, but it seems like I would need a pretty tall headrest to do that.
I guess the biggest concern though is that it doesn't really fit. So I guess I will try to sell it or something. But now I am back at square one. And I don't want to use an open face helmet either.
I guess lastly, I didn't get one from the luge store because those guys NEVER return any of my calls and NEVER answer the phone. If that's the store at landlugfe.com you are talking about anyway.
Thanks for the response though.
Andy
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On 7/23/2002 ek
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Correction to my last post about "helmets"
I meant to say, "those bullet-bike and motorcross helmets don't offer the visibility you need during your tuck". The chin guard gets in the way... it becomes an obstruction to your view.
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On 7/23/2002 ek
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Hey Andy,
It is worth the "bother" to get one of those wedge helmets. You would be able to be in a "lower" supine tuck on your board, which helps with aerodynamics. Also a wedge-style helmet allows you to see (i.e. other helmets' chin guard blocks your view)down the road better while in this tuck. You will be basicly looking down the top of your stomach to the tips of your toes. Those "cool styling" helmets that bullet-bike riders use do give you this... same with motorcross helmets. Go to the luge store for a helmet or be like me and shop around some motorcycle shops. You might find a bargan. Peace.
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On 7/18/2002 Andy
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Hey, does anyone use those wedge helmets? Do they actually give better visability than a fullface motorcycle helmet?
I don't have a headrest on my board, and want to get the one that will let me see the road.
Thanks. Andy
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On 7/17/2002 Andy
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Thanks.
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On 7/16/2002
ek
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Cool pics Andy. Howzit everyone. I have been getting ready for my trip to the West LA College event this sunday. Been "training" in Provo Canyon (in Utah, south of Sundance Ski Resort)and turning other longboarders to the sport. Pretty tough when you're the only "hardcore" buttboarder around this state. If anyone going to the West LA College event this sunday, post a line to me. Thanks. Keep safe. Peace.
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On 7/16/2002
Tommy
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"I am going to try a foam support for the nearterm and hopefully this Winter I'll get to build something different" => yeah, try to "build up" your stomach,leg and neck muscles in the gym over the winter... then you can forget the longer board in the front and any kind of headrests ;-) cheers Tommy
(This post is not in any way ment to offend anyone, just wanted to be a bit cheeky ;-)
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On 7/15/2002 Andy
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Yea, that's my deck. I do have very little leg support, but I wanted the longer wheelbase. I am going to try a foam support for the nearterm and hopefully this Winter I'll get to build something different.
I originally though of building a longer buttboard, but I wanted to keep it race legal. More for the concept than any plan to race it. But I also want to build a deck that will incorporate my video mount. I have it bolted on now, but I want to use the deck itself for the mount in the future.
So many projects and so little time. But like Duane made it clear...I won't be riding again until I get the leathers.
Andy
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On 7/15/2002 hc
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Andy, if you are the one with the yellow board, i think you just need more nose overhang to support your leg.
What I don't like about buttbrd is the lack of head support, that's why
I am planning on building a longer buttboard with head rest or maybe a copy of lott's luge.
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On 7/15/2002
Andy
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You are correct! And I'm by no means proud of it. So we just ordered leathers. Mine are gonna be short, but I think I have that worked out. I think it is also time to build a luge. I can't keep my legs in the air for 2 miles.
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On 7/15/2002 Duane
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Man you guys are insane doing those speeds without leathers. I took a spill off a bike at about 40 mph years ago and lost all (as in all) of the skin on the fronts of my thighs, top of my left forearm, etc etc. At 60 I don't want to think about how bad it would get. Your knee and elbow pads will be shucked clean off by the pavement.
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