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On 10/10/2001
hugh r
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I just received this e-mail concerning luge shoe construction:
"I am an experienced custom shoemaker. Let me give
you a few hints on how
you can improve on your luge shoes. Instead of
Shoe Goo use Barge
cement. This contact cement is the standard for
any shoe repair shop and
it will cut your drying time to under 20 minutes.
After you have sanded
the surfaces to be bonded take a shoe scratcher
(the cost is about 10
bucks and you can find it at any shoe findings
store) and rough up both
surfaces to be bonded. Take a can of Barge
thinner and wipe down the
surface you are about to glue. This will slightly
burn the rubber and
allow for greater bondinng with the contact
cement. As the thinner
starts to evaporate brush on your glue being
carefull not to lay it on
too thick. When the glue dries stick the sole and
the shoe together
together and pound them with a plastic hammer.
Then take an ace bandage
and wrap them up leaving them to complete the
bonding process in 20
minutes. Take the shoes and use a grinder to
make the edges smooth."
I'm going to give it a try! HR
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On 10/10/2001
Bob Swartz
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Rubber and trucks!!!
For a brakes I have been using rubber from used rear tire from motorcycles. The big fat ones used on crotch rockets. THis rubber is real sticky, does not have the pain in the butt steel belts, smokes like a chimney for a cool effect, cuts to shape with a simple "BOX KNIFE", and is free for the asking at any motorcycle dealer.
THe trick to making it stick to your shoe is to clean and scratch or score both surfaces to be glued, use plenty of shoe goo and clamp or press the new brake for sevral hours. YOu can trim it to a nice finish with a knife and smooth it with a grinder.
Randal Trucks.- HE does offer many configurations. A dream for the person that wants to tinker with setups. I have tried them all and I am now running a configuration with 2 or 3(double front)60 degree base plates. I used to run 50's but as stated in the previous posting. I could not get enough turn at Providence or in Capetown. As far as the instability goes you make up for it by tightening the trucks and or changing bushings.They seem to run fine in the mid 80's for me. YOu can also flip the hanger to remove a bit of steer if you like. Lots depend on your style of ride and geometry of your luge. So far 60's are used the most successful on most all Roger's Bothers Luges. but then again you have not seen me on the grand podium as of yet... so your choice..
bob
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On 10/10/2001 Pre-School Rider
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Leo,what you note at Randal is the understanding that varied turn radiuses are needed to ride on different hills.If you go for 'stability' and show up at R.I.,you'll eat hay.Conversely,try running a 'turny' truck off of Mt. Hood in Oregon,and the wobs will get you.What you pick for angles on your setup is up to you,but know that your simplified basis for picking Luge Trucks is fairly correct.Your problem now is finding the geometry that works under your butt,on the hills you ride. An aside note: I've found that Randal's 50* R-2 dosen't wobble IF you pay attention to the bushings used,but it remains 'twitchy' even with stiff bushings. The 28* R-1 is too mellow and laid back for good turns,but works at the rear of a sled nicely.So that leaves 35* and 40* as your baseplates for turning without wobbles...
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On 10/10/2001
hc
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where can I get rubber for my shoes?
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On 10/8/2001
RWR
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ITS TIME TO CROWN A CHAMPION IN BAINBRIDGE!!!! If you have not sent your entry form in yet. Do not send it now. Wait until you get to the race. We are leaving on Thursday to get every thing set up. We have had a very good turn out so far. This is sure to be a great race. We will have registration and tech open on Friday evening from 4-8 then again on Saturday morning at 7 am. Don't forget to bring cash if you are paying at the race. We will see you in OHIO.
P.S. Just received word that Ninja bearings will be there with podium prizes to add to the cash purse.
Rusty Riley F-6 Racing
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On 10/5/2001
Leo
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i have read and seen i randals webpage that they come in various angles , they are even at 60°, i thought that the more angle they are, the more turny behave, also i thought that luges needed stabiltiy not turniness...
any clever mind to clarify me this?
leo
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On 10/3/2001
Chris Chaput
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Rusty, I hope you understand that I really enjoyed the event and the hill last year but have a slalom race commitment at Donner on the same weekend. After the DC Downhill and Maryland events last month, I went to Colorado last week and I'm going to Ney York this week. Some west coast guys really do try and make events outside of California.
For anyone who couldn't make it to Ohio last year, IT IS DEFINITELY WORTH THE TRIP!
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On 10/1/2001
RWR
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The number of entries for the Ohio race is looking good, there is only one thing that concerns me... In the past there has been alot of complaining on the message boards and at the races that the only events are on the west coast.. I believe there is good reason for that. As of today, about 80% of the entries recieved for the Ohio Grand Prix come from the west coast. Whats up with the rest of the country and Canada. The west coast guys not only hold races in thier part of the country but they support a race on the other side. If we are to grow as a sport and make this next race season a success(with regional events everywhere) then you are going to have to step up on the central and east side of the USA.
The Ohio race is sanctioned by the IGSA, it is a National Event, for National Points in the IGSA world ranking system. The Ohio race is the last event this year besides the Barrett race. The town of Bainbridge is excited about holding this event. Every thing is scheduled, on track and happening. I recieve emails every day or so about rumors concerning the event. The only rumor that is true is that this is going to be a great weekend. It is an opportunity for central and east coast lugers to get to show the rest of the gravity family that they are here to stay.
The entry fee deadline is October 5th. You can register at the event but it will cost another $25 for late entry. If you have any questions concerning the event contact me.
Rusty Riley F-6 Racing
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On 9/29/2001
hugh r
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Dregs vs Rogers luges:
From looking at well used that some of the guys were riding at Barrett, I was able to see one big difference between the two.
The Dregs boards suffered from more torsional flex than the well used Rogers brothers. The aluminum was suffering from fatigue at several points both front and back. Not that the Dregs is a bad luge, just seems like the Rogers are holding up better...
I ride a subterfuge built by Tim Cayer and am very happy with how it's holding up too... HR
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On 9/29/2001
bebop
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thanks , for the input , its important . my luge has already passed tech at 2 barrets , so i think it could pass edi's tech . ive been but boarding since as long as i can remember and and know the importence of the right wheels and berings. since i built my luge , danny conners , and a few others luges , theyve worked all fine and get u to the bottem fine , but i just cant' help thinking its the board , i still dont know is there any plus's over the dregs vs rogers luge.
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On 9/28/2001
Chris Chaput
wrote in from
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Not all luges were created equally but wheels will make the biggest difference in speed, provided that the luge's stability at speed and steering is dialed in. Consider having 4, 6 or even 8 wheels on a luge. Some of this is "art", but some is definitely "science".
The Rogers Bros luges are currently winning more races than anything else out there right now, but much of that has to do with the fact that many of the best riders in the world are using them. Mine is one of the newer ones that comes apart and can be tucked away into a travel case. I slammed down on the asphalt 12 times in the Red Bull Streets of San Francisco Big Air competition (including an 86.5' launch) and the luge came out in one piece. I did manage to bend the axles on 11 hangers though!
Another nice thing about them is that they stack nicely and when a half dozen guys all have the same sled, you can swap boards on some runs and see how the other guy's wheels and trucks are working. The Rogers Bros, Dave Auld, Brent De Keyser, Pam Zoolalian and others frequently practice together and the R&D is always helping to improve the quality of the product. Look for a "hybrid" pegless luge from them in the near future. Many riders are starting to like the feel of shorter more managable "body boards" as opposed to the long "luge cars". Also, get a buttboard. They rock. Excellent practice and more time on the hill at races.
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On 9/28/2001 PSR
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Bebop,Duane is spot-on in his advice.Put your money into Wheels,Bearings,Bushings,Speedwashers,Good trucks,Leathers/Safety Gear. If your sled dosen't pass Tech,or you're really unhappy with it,then get a new sled. From what I've seen,the Roger's Brothers sleds are really,really good.But then again I'm biased there,as I built that style of sled a few years ahead of them,and I know it works well.Flat-pan Aluminium sleds don't compare,and having the frame surround your tush is much more reassurring when you get close to the haybales!
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On 9/28/2001 PSR
wrote in from
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Please ignore my post here from 9/27; the post it replied to was pulled,thus leaving my acid wit to hang alone on the vine,withering...
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On 9/28/2001 Duane
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bebop, why not spend small bucks on new wheels rather than big bucks on a new sled ? Provided the luge will pass tech inspection, it won't make a big speed difference, wheels are much more important for speed, and good trucks to get you around the corners. I read about the speed record outing that went down a few years ago (when Hardwick set the official speedboarding record) the luges couldn't beat a buttboard, a $10 sheet of plywood.
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On 9/27/2001
bebop
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are the rogers bros luges worth it , i mean biker is riding one , not like he matters much to me , but i mean u know i like my homemade but... i just dont know i plan on w/ the right equipment busting on to the edi season but i want the right board .should i go after dreggs or rogers or maybe just stick w/ the one i got ?
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On 9/27/2001 PSR
wrote in from
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Just in time for the NEXT Race in Philly!! Too bad,It was sunny and very fast up in my corner of the Nor-east,but you wouldn't want the X-Games to be run on a Real Hill,now would you?
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On 9/25/2001 PSR
wrote in from
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Mathew,I've got that on a photodisk somewhere.I'll try to get a snapshot of the Ol' Crutchboard up on here sometime.The crutches were split apart,and then I made two rails that had an "S-Camber" shape to them,each from one crutch.I put the seat section on those rails,with the 's' curvature arcing down,then out towards the rear truck(which is under/behind my head).This makes the seat section sit up higher under my shoulders than my butt sits,and the "S" cuvre acts a bit like a leaf-spring for the rear wheels,making for a smooth ride.The front of the seat sits directly over the front trucks(yes,trucks-I run Six wheels,two at the rear,four up front),and the padding on the seat is thickest just 3" ahead of my butt.All the pads on the seat are Duct-tape wrapped foam of varying thicknesses and densities,and they velcro onto the seat deck(I can get to the mounting screws,and/or replce pads easily).Overall length(in this form,without the footpegs on)is 48",with the seat being 34".Add footpegs(they bolt onto the underside of the seat)and it's just shy of 6 ft. in length.I made the footpegs detatchable to fit in my car's(an early Jetta)trunk,but after a hairy crash at Bear Mountain Access Road in Killington(Yup,on the Hairpin!),I junked the idea of footpegs(they're in splinters after that anyways)and have run this without pegs since(good for the Abs!). As a 'Buttboard',I think it's a bit complex,but it was easy enough to make,and cost very little,too.
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On 9/25/2001
mathew
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I'd love to see pic of your 'Crutchboard' !
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On 9/24/2001
BradS
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Subterfuge Land Luge.....Luges made in South/central New Hampshire! I talked to the owner (Tim) and he's a serious luger, as well as a supplier/maker of everything luge...I just ordered some luge trucks from this guy..for any New Englander out there..we DO have a serious place to go on the web! and he's got a store there too! check it out at landluge.com
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On 9/19/2001
Darren
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Cool....another place for lugers to talk smack.
Any Canadian's out there wanting to ride..lets hook up! Look us up at Research Gravity Sport
Darren
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On 9/18/2001 Pre-School Rider
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Grumpy,it was around '92-'93 that Aluminium sleds started to be made that were of a 'rail' type of frame.There,of course,were other sled makers who did this Way before this date(Hickey was making aero sleds that blow 'X-Games' sleds away by then),but that's when the aluminium sleds started showing up at underground races in numbers."Rails" were nothing more than "C" channel with widened seats and footpegs,and some skate wheels/trucks.Most had duct tape as an important integral part of the construct.Simple.Basic.Fast. By the time the 'X' Games showcased the sport,sleds had gone to dropped-pan styled layouts(I showed up with my woody made from crutches,and got Black Flagged; Biker showed up in Denim,and was allowed in)and soon the guys making sleds were also making the 'rules' for what was a 'legal' sled. The low-boy sleds do corner well,but have issues on real-world roads where hitting things like manhole covers can rip the pans up pretty good. In the intrest of rider safety(probably because of Mason's demo-derby style too),newer race sleds have to have bumpers,and rolled edges on the seat pans,and loop-ended footpegs.Weight,width,length specs are all laid out now,making for a very similar board set-up,unless you're willing to really build with some imagination. My Chromoly will never be legal,but it IS one fast pup,and with some extra money,I could maybe tweak the shape into a race-ready sled,but at this point,I might as well go buy a Roger's Brothers sled,which is fortuitously similar in design to my sled. BTW,the 'Crutchboard' is still active,and just as fast as ever(70 mph!),20+ years after I made it.It now is classified as a "buttboard",but it probably wouldn't be legal to race there,either.
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On 9/18/2001
Grumpy Ol Bastard
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I have no doubt it's fun. I've always had a blast doing "laydown". Buttboarding seems more closely related to skating though. Although I have a quiver of many different types of boards, each is still a skateboard/longboard. I can stand-up, lay down, kneel, whatever. None are so specialized that the "skate-a-bility" is bred out. Don't mean to step on any toes, if you're having fun...GREAT!
Again, my 2 cents.
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On 9/18/2001
hugh r
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There is no doubt that stand up is far more extreme (boy do I dislike that word, though it fits) and dangerous and ballsy (is that a word?) than streetluge.
But for those of us who don't have the nerve to hit high speeds standing up, it gives us the opportunity to hall butt a little safer! And its major kick in the butt fun!
I love it... almost the most fun I have ever had! HR
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On 9/18/2001
grumpy ol bastard
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Ok, try not to kill each other on this but...
When did the streetluge, as we now know it, with specialized sleds, come about? We did luging (what would be called butt boarding I suppose) in the late 70s, on just our regular boards. Call me a heretic, but that's why I've never been overly impressed with it. I did over 50 mph on a Vision Leopard skin with Tracker Six Tracks and Sims "The Wheel 2's" in the 80s. I realize it's an entirely different matter doing it head to head at 60+ mph. I just think stand up downhill is infinitely radder, badder and makes for a bigger splatter.
My 2 cents.
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