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On 2/13/2002
steelwheelBob
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Hi Rene!
Trudi and I got there late, we were lost for an hour, we stopped at three gas stations to ask for directions and each time there was a dude from Pakistan that told us he did not know anything because he was "not from here"....what do they do? bus these guy's in from Willowbrook, blindfolded?
Trudi spotted you and Maria at the top of the stairs, so we headed up there to say hello, but Richy cut us off and
said "check out this guy" and he pointed to the name tag on some guy standing there, I looked and I thought I was seeing a ghost!...it was Bobby Boyden. I had a friendly talk with him, and then you guy's were gone.
But it was like that...I would see someone and then on my way over to talk to them I would run into someone else. I connected with a guy that was on my Staton Team back in the day. He was 10 years old then, I had not seen him in 23 years...he hangs out and skates with Steve Smith now. I also spent some time with George Ortin, Bruce Walker, April Hoffman and TA,
Tony's girlfriend Mary Zerkie was on my team and lived across the street from me. So some times when I went out to take the trash to the curb, there would be the whole freakin' Dog Town crew, except that was before they were the Dog Town crew. Before Tony there was Ty
Page, Brian Beardsly, and Kirt Lindgren. Mary was hot!
Now she lives in LA with Dave Alvin from the Blasters.
I loved watching those "old" guys at the OSSJ rip that plywood pool.
What are you guy's going to do with all that interview stuff? I meet you other brother...Dave? Was he one of the guys in that old Pepsi shot of the three of you doing a handstand on the same board?
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On 2/12/2002
Grumpy Ol Bastard
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Holunder,
I doubt the Steve Saiz manuever you mentioned has a name. Back in the day it was called "dorking". There's a ton of dorking in Ban This. At that time Lance Mountain was the king of it. I read later where he sort of resented the fact that so much attention was put on it. Dorking is simply doing "stylie" little goofy stuff. It's not "tech", "gnarley" or even very hard, just stylish. Why name it anyway? Just ride,style, and smile.
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On 2/12/2002
Holunder
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question: Does anybody know the name of this trick: It's a bluntslide-kinda-thing, but not at the edge of the curb; you ollie up in the middle, turn 90° and land into a t-slide, but only on your back wheels. Now you either slide it all through and drop off at the end or you slide just halfways and continue into a manual. I first saw Lance Conclin do some variations across a sideway in an early 90's Powell video and we called the trick "Lance Conclin" eversince, but I wonder if there is a "real" name for it. And while we're on the subject of Powell videos, does anybody know the name of this trick that Steve Saiz did in his miniramp section in "Ban This": Instead of a rock'n'roll to fakie you step off the tail and place your back foot in the transition under the coping, push the board onto the table with your front foot, pull it back to fakie and step on with the back foot again. Whenever I do those tricks in a skatepark some of the younger kids are like "what was that?" and I would appreciate if with your help I could tell them next time.
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On 2/11/2002
Rene Carrasco
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Bob Stayton- saw ya @ the JAM- Sat.night. Sorry I didn't get to talk with ya- I was helping the beautiful Maria with taping and interviewing. Keep up the great work you & your wife do for freestyle skateboarding! God bless. -Rene.
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On 2/10/2002
tasos
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per your requests, retro 360's event added to the 2002 World Longboard Slalom Championships-open all ages & sexes
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On 2/7/2002
Scabs
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V V,
I don`t think you understand my point (a couple pages back). Alan`s signature move "Ollie" was a no hands frontside air. It looked like he was riding an unvisable wall. All these board tricks where the board leaves your feet and spins this way and that, whether on vert or flat, are not "Ollies" but mere 1 ups on the original. If someone has a video of Mullen or anybody else for that matter, doing a standard "Ollie Air" please let me know so I can track a copy of it down.
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On 2/5/2002
jeremy cooper
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i think it was lexx that asked "what ever happen to neil blender?" well, he is a skim boarder, you know, that little surf board think you run out and throw it do and jump on it a hit the little waves that are near shore. i don't care what kind of board neil has, skim or skate, he is still the king of lip tricks in my book...him and ben shroder(sp?)
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On 2/5/2002
V V
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Hey Scabs, hold on a minute...got to take exception with one of your points, that Alan was the only master of the ollie...It is a known fact that Jason Jessee has the ollie dialed...normal, ollie oop, revert, whatever. I know what you mean when you say "art"...and that is exactly what comes to mind when you see Jason do one of these. Hewitt, Hawk, Hosoi, Gonz on that tiny/old board on the cover of Thrasher, Steve Claar, Phillips...all these people have/had it...Rune...he's got a nice one too, and if you took any of these guys and brought them to Alan's old haunts they could put one down.
Alan's contribution to skating is enormous, but I would say that Mullen getting the ollie dialed on flat is equally, if not more important.
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On 2/4/2002 Nate
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the ironic thing is the new guys think Mullen invented the casper(which he didnt) but are ingnorant to the fact the he invented just about every standard trick in todays streetstyle skating(Magicflip or olliekickflip and most of its variations)
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On 2/4/2002
Chris S
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Lexx,
You mentioned something about people believing that Mullen is the only one who could do caspers etc. That's what happens when you skate in a vacuum. If all you're exposed to is new school videos, magazines, and other new school skaters, that's all you know. Every now and then, I get to skate with Primo Desiderio (he's one of Mullen's contemporaries from the 80s freestyle heyday). He still skates 80s-style technical freestyle, and he's real fun to watch. But even more fun than watching him is watching guys about your age see this sort of skating for the first time. They're just amazed. It's totally different than anything they've ever seen before. I'm sure that a lot of them go back to their vacuum, but I'm sure there are a few, like you, who go back and try to figure out what he was doing.
I say that the best thing we can do is get out there and skate however we want. Myself, I have a fairly small repertoire of mid-70s tricks that I do halfway decent. I don't worry too much about learning new tricks, because I still haven't perfected the ones I know. Plus my boards keep getting longer, which doesn't help. Still, I'd rather do half a dozen tricks well than do 25 tricks that I only pull off once in a while. I'm just glad that I get a chance to skate where there's a good mix of things. When I go to the beach to skate, there's always some new schoolers, but mixed in are a handful of guys doing 80's style street skating, bonelesses, hand plants, g turns; Primo (and sometimes his wife Diane) doing full-on technical freestyle; and me doing 70s stuff on the longest function board I can find. The more different people get out and skate different styles the more we'll rediscover the soul.
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On 2/3/2002
lexx
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Oh yeah, to basically explain what i was trying to say a post or too ago..
Im only young and was just a few years ago an anoying newschooler. I started skating for the "flow" and the fun of skating, that is whats important to me, so naturally skateboarding past is of interest to me. When the trend dies down only the ppl who really love skating will carry on and those ppl will appreciate the riding of the board like you do. They are the ppl that will keep it alive. I have faith in my generation not to forget the routs of skating, but u have to think, in 10 years time they will be begging ppl not to forget about the gnar of jumping down stairs...
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On 2/2/2002
lexx
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Getting further off topic, but.... what ever happend to neil blender? He was great, well, from what ive seen and read.
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On 2/2/2002
lexx
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Dont think it exists. My discription was actually just what i could remember it being described as on bobstricktips.com. It was all a bit misty,lol. At least we got there in the end!
Scabs, I hear what ur saying, i was my self an anoying "newschooler" two or so years ago. Im only 16!lol! I cant remember 'back in the day' because i wasnt around. Ive been skating about 4/5 years now and its the love for the sport in all shapes and forms that drives me to learn about where it all came from. To me skating isnt just some thing that i do because its cool or what ever, it is about flow and about soul. I admire the people who got it all going because if it wasnt for them I dont know what i would be doing with my time. May be this belongs more in the soul carving formum?lol.. I supose if i can feel this way about skating then countless other newschoolers do, and skting will die out from the public eye yet again but there will be the ppl who keep it going. I hope i am one of those ppl.
So respect to the past, dont neglect the present, and dont forget to embrace the future.
lol, i think this defenetly should have been on the soul carving page;)
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On 2/2/2002
jeremy cooper
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Lexx, you said a bean plant was a cross between a boneless and a lien plant, then nate said it was a cross between a lien air and a boneless. i know what a lien air is, neil blender made it up, lien is just neil backwards, thats how he named it. so what is a lein plant, if i know what that is, i can pretty much figure it out from there...
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On 2/2/2002
jeremy cooper
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well nate, thats true. but recently i've heard people using the term "flatland" skating rather than freestyle. freestyle and flatland are pretty much the same but yet so different. if any of you have seen early stuff of ray barbee thats all he does is flatland street skating. he always did like every no comply variation there is and a lot of flatground lines and combos. and accually really late stuff of per welinder, like around 1990, he basicly did the same thing but with more freestyle based tricks rather than bonelesses and no complys. i was just curious about what a bean plant was because i've been doing bonelesses ever since i started skating and i felt dumb because i didn't know what it was,bonelesses are one of my favorite tricks, there so aggro.
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On 2/2/2002 nate
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a bean plant isnt exactly a freestyle trick neither is a boneless or an acid drop but who can say
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On 2/2/2002
Scabs
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lexx,
It is our duty to keep the soul of skateboarding alive. That means passing on what was the main driving force of skateboardings origins. Without the knowledge of the past, the flow will be lost ( check out any new schooler forun and everyone is either a player or a poser ). What`s that all about? We all started somewhere. And in the beginning it was about the flow, or soul, of skating.
From the frontpage of ncdsa (below tile)...
"Rediscovering the Soul of Skateboarding!"
Don`t under-estimate the newschooler kids. While they think they know it all (I did at that age), they are eager to learn new (or old) tricks...
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On 2/2/2002
lexx
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yey, i won:)...
Its true that not many ppl know about the great skaters of the past, alen, don brider (I think thats how u spell it) and so on. For many people where skating came from isnt important to them, they just want to read transworld and recite it like its the bible or some thing. To a lot of people skating is only what they see on tv, or on their playstations and in their magazines. It simply hasnt occured to many ppl that there is so much more to it. I know ppl who belief that rodney mullen is the only person who can do caspers and handstand flips and will actually swear by it, simply because they have seen endless videos of ppl jumping stair sets that its been hammered into them that there isnt any thing else to skating and if some one appears on a video doing some thing else they are a freak and naturally the only person able to break the mold...
Id say its them who are missing out, but what can we do about it? Not much, just accept it and carry on skating. If they are happy thinking mullen is the only person alive who can do caspers, or that primo is the only word to describe what u or i would call a rail flip, then let them carry on beliefing. Some times is better to not know ur in the matrix,lol..
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On 2/2/2002 nate
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not that this matters a whole lot,names of tricks are only immportant when you are trying to communicate them to someone else,but this is how i see it,a wheelie on flatground is just that,a wheelie.a manual is done from ollie or rollout on an obstcle,a bean plant is a boneless lean air. boneless:plant your foot as you grab your board and use your planted foot to get some air if your foot leaves the board that is an aciddrop.Primos are just railflips with a new name I think ,unless we are talking about primo slides
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On 2/1/2002 Scabs
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oops...mid 70`s not 40`s....DOH!!!
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On 2/1/2002
Scabs
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lexx,
You are right on with Ollie. Back in the mid 40`s, these was this place called Skateboard USA in Hollywood, FL. It had a concrete ramp that turned into a 2 cornered wall. Out of the second corner was the snake run. Opposite of the 2 cornered wall was a 1/4 round wall. Not what you would actually call a pool.
Anyhoos, under the ramp was a small bowl shaped area referred to as the "underbowl". This is where the groms hung out. I skated this area regularly with Alan and would spend hours practicing my move....a 360 hop. Alan learned it and took it to the vert. Kudos for him.
Not many popsicle boarders have a slightest clue on what a real "Ollie" is. Heck, I`ve never seen anyone pull it off but Alan. All flow and if you blinked your eyes, you missed it. Not to worry as he was perfection and rarely missed them so it would be seen again shortly.
Sure there are others that have tried the same move but never quite the same. His was pure art. And it changed skating like no other move recorded.
Another little known fact about Alan...he never went pro. He saw what all the hype was on the back end and wanted no part of it. He didn`t want the fun chased away buy dead presidents.
Tony Hawk is probably the mose famous skater in history but Alan`s move was the most influential to skating. You might say he`s the most famous of the infamous. And he`s still the same guy...a fla boy skater, and it`s all about the flow.
Brady Mitchell
Hollywood, FL since.....
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On 2/1/2002
lexx
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If you go back a few pages i remember bob L. saying some thing about how the word manual came about.. Some thing about vert?
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On 2/1/2002
Chris S
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Crunchy Knee,
There are certain words that I just can't bring myself to use to use to describe skateboarding, manual, xtreme, and sick. Well, maybe, sick. I hang out with a lot of short boarders at times. Nobody asked me about manual either. Then again, I probably wasn't skating a whole lot when they put it to a vote. I'm sure I'll end up taking the term wheelie to my grave.
Chris
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On 1/31/2002
Crunchy Knee
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But, isn't that a wheelie? Sometime during my life it went from wheelie to manual. No one asked me if the change was OK.
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On 1/31/2002
lexx
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Manual is the term used to describe riding on 2 wheels or if ur really clever on 1.
Ollie is a meathod of getting air out of a ramp, turning 180 and landing without using ur hands. Am i right?
And a bean plant is a cross between and lean plant and a boneless. I cant explain it, but bob shoud have all the tips back up so just go to www.bobstricktips.com and pretty soon u'll b able to find it there.
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