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cody's surf dreams
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On 8/12/2003
brian
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cody
lbk is right that longboard skateboards can feel much more like surfing than shorties. however, if you're a skater now and are thinking that you'd like to cross-over to surfing, you may be in for a bit of a surprise. i surfed first and when i moved inland i needed something to scratch my itch for waves. riding a longboard can do that for you but there is so much more to surfing than what you can mimic on a skateboard. as a beginner, you can think of surfing as spending 95 to 99 percent of your time walking (more like running on your hands) back up the hill, and every time you fall you're at the bottom again. skating is a much more one-dimensional exchange as well--your energy interacting with gravity and an immovable surface--while in surfing gravity plays a smaller role and the wave is an independent energy source which the surfer is constantly anticipating, absorbing and opposing. the difference between a good session and a bad one can depend on as little as one wave--a race for the peak, the drop, and a couple of turns. to me surfing involves much more of an investment of mind and body and likewise offers a greater reward. it is worth it. when you get the chance, head for the coast, rent a board, and try it for yourself. in the meantime, surf that skate.
brian
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Cody: Surf
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On 8/12/2003 lbk
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Cody,
Longboard skateboarding is very similar to surfing. For example; if you ever get to see a young agro teenager surfer ride a long board skateboard, you will notice that when he kick turns the board, he whips the board just like he was on a surfboard banging a turn off the lip. Or if an old school surfer/skateboarder rides a longboard skateboard, he will mimics surf maneuvers such as bottom turns, drop knee turns, walking the board, etc.
Longboard skateboarding feels much more like surfing than regular street skateboarding does. But you have to remember, it is all in your mind to get that surf feeling on a longboard skateboard.
To get the images in your head of how to sidewalk skateboard, pickup a longboard surf mag, rent a classic longboard movie such as Bruce Browns Endless Summer (original or sequel), then pick up a longboard video from a company like Gravity Skateboards. Lastly get a longboard (42 inches long with ABEC11 soft wheels and loose trucks) and surf it.
DR
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surf
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On 8/10/2003
cody
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i have never surfed before but have always wanted to but i was wondering if it is real similar to longboarding or what all is alike and not. if anyone knows let me hear from ya. peace and love
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Berts
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On 8/7/2003 Espie
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Check out Bob's trick tips: www.bobstricktips.com. If you make it to Dogtown, let us know where the bank ridin' is. :)
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Nail a Bert
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On 8/6/2003 johnnyboy
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Hey guys, whats up, I am a skater from the u.k who still dreams of packing my bags and moving to dogtown, problem is , my bertlemann slides suk ass!! I can do them going toeside, with both hands, but end up on my ass going heelside Help!! any websites or advice appreciated
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Longboard Flatland Freestyle Contest!
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On 7/22/2003
steelwheel Bob
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Thats right longboad fans! The WFSA will have a Longboard Flatland Freestyle Contest at the ASR show in San Diego in Sept...interested in entering, judging, announcing ? Get into the ASR show for free for your efforts
Check this out:
No Cal Flatland Jam series regulars bring home the Casper Classic U.S. Championship gold!
Manual "the Man" Rodriguez, the pride of Napa, is your new ( like when the hell was the last one?) United States Flatland Freestyle Skateboard Champion in the un sponsored Am Division. He won with those long controlled space walks and a few great combinations.
Hanging in there at 4th place (in the same division as Manual), the day after his 60th birthday, is steelwheel Bob. Hey! at least I didn't come in last!
Nils "Da Frog" Hanson also captures a first place win to become the United States Flatland Freestyle Skateboard Champion in the unsponsored Am 13-15 division. Nils skated unopposed but would have been a threat to anyone in his age group with tricks like a Primo slide, a 50/50 540 flip, and rail to rail flips. Nils had the longest Primo slide of any contestant Am or Pro, and he pulls it up one footed occasionally. He will probably be the man to beat next year in his division at the US Championships, but you can take a shot at him in San Diego at the WFSA California State Flatland Freestyle Championships this Sept.
Nils also finished 3rd in the High Jump Open behind a few adult pros. Nils will be bringing the high jump bar to Rengsdorff Park next month.
A little Staton family trivia: We are now the first and only three generation freestyle skateboard champions in skateboarding history.
Robert Staton (son), Oceanside, 1977 at age 7. (Robert is the guy that takes all
pics at the No Cal Jams)
"steelwheel Bob" Staton (father), Escondido, 1979 at age 34.
Nils "Da Frog" Hanson (grandson), Casper Classic Long Beach, 2003
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Ian's surf-skating
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On 7/11/2003
Kolu
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Aloha Ian - check out surfacemotion.com - I think it might be just what you are looking for....
ahui ho
Kolu
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new guy
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On 7/11/2003 ian
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i surf but i want to sk8 i see all the old school videos of surf sk8ing i tryed long boarding once and i love it but now i have my home made board trucks and slippery wheels that sorta suck but anyway i want to learn a few of the old school moves like toes on the nose and more like that if anyone can tell me different moves or a website or something explaining a few of them that would be great
DA HUI later dayz
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Cozmic1
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On 7/4/2003 vaitus
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steelkit,
I had the sixtracks on 1/2 flat risers and no wheelbite, great setup, occasional footbite but nothing major.
Then I moved to Webb Shogo 187mm trucks and super thin rubber pads (search in the trucks forum for my review and pics). INSANE setup, super low rider and monster carver, easy and controllable slides, hard to believe and describe.
footbite definetly a problem here, ate it big once and now I'm really careful when pushing but I'm not switching back.
I use 75a flashbacks for carving an 84a for sliding and I don't believe there's a better choice, but I haven't tried avalons yet.
If you want to get rid of the footbite problem I guess 149mm darts and 65mm wheels (noskools are great) are a better choice, but you'll loose a lot of "carvability" (but gain in "pumpability")
how's your fibreflex board by the way? how would you compare it to the cosmic1?
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vaitus' Coz 1
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On 7/3/2003 steelkilt
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vaitus,
I've got the Coz 1 too, set up with sixtracks (tracker yellow stims and bones blues), longer kingpins, flashbacks 75a.
Love the setup most times but when trucks are really loose and i'm carving hard, wheels just about bite with 1/4 - 1/2 in. wedged risers. Also, sixtracks/flashbacks combo means wide hot rod look for deck that's only 8.5 approx wide, so I've stomped the rear wheel once or twice while pushing.
I'm thinking of moving to narrower darts and maybe 65mm tall wheels. Any advice? what are you using on your coz1?
thx
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boards/burn/surfing
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On 7/2/2003
apryl
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yepp,i would think fiberglass would make just about any BOARD srtonger.dont surfboards have fiberglass?yeah i think so cuz thats why the dudes are always waxin down their surfboards.i myself have never surfed.i would love to do it but 1.i cant afford a board.and 2,my mom surfs and she told me befor she took me out,i needed to learn how to swim better in open water.i can swim really good,i might freak out in open water though.i love the ocean though.i just look at it and just stare in wonder,awe,and love all at the same time.its a big respect issue.like going to baldy pipe or comin to a nice pool(skateboarding)so for me to be able to go out into the ocean and surf it is incredible.i cant wate to paddle out... that burn u got must of sucked.i get burned all day long but those surfboards must be deadly.i know that must of hurt......esspecially in that salt water dude,god i dont even wanna imagine that pain.the whole good thing about surfin other than the fun is that its in water,and its hard to imagine getting hurt in water.but i would think it would be crazy in there.ud fall and not be able to control it.and that would freak anyone new at the sport.i now i would cuz i skate,and when u fall on ur board u can slide out if u have kneepads,run out,bail,ect..surfing,ur just there.u cant control it,and u CANNOT freak out because thats only gonna make it worse.all in all though i still wanna surf.maybe cuz i like skating,maybe cuz i like the boards,it might even be because i love the water.who knows.most sports that are fun,have to have a downfall.nothin can be perfect,GOD,but thats a whole new story.u cant care though ,if u really love what u do u cant care.cuz if u think about the bad things too much U start to be the bad thing.u gotta think positive in life and whatever board sport u do.because thats why u do it.i hate seeing kids like me today,but somhow not like me cuz there really good at what they do and only care about tricks.thats not what skatin is,go watch dogtown dude thats what it all came from.they were the ones who made up the tricks and u dont see them out there gettin all frustrated and mad cuz they didnt pull one off.1 ilove this site and all the people here cuz they dont care they just love what they do.maybe thats what every kid needs a good site like this with people that love what they do.people to show them that skating or surfing is alot more fun when u simply have fun.i pray 4 all those kids and really hpoe they learn what skating really is somday.i hope 1 day,500 kids dont come up to me and ask me how to get sponsored.they gotta understand that skating and surfing and there own life might be hard to control but they are the only ones that can control it.if they wanna be a pro skater so bad there goanna be a pro skater.most just dont really want it.but the ones that really want it like most of the amatures today and all the people who dont care like all the dudes that just wanna skate 4 what it is to them.all that makes me happy cuz it shows there is really hope for skating as we will know it in the future.well i gotta go,good luck to u all at sidewalk surfin.and alaways keep lovin it 4 the right reasons.seeya later.apryl
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noseriders
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On 6/30/2003
brian
wrote in from
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kolu
as far as determining the dimensions of my deck: i had almost 12" of width to work with and i wanted the deck to be scaled down proportionately length and width. 57" was what came out in the calculations.
i used regular titebond II wood glue. you could use epoxy or some sort of marine adhesive that's designed for use in wet situations, but as long as you seal up the wood really well, you likely won't have any problems until you start noticing the finish coming off.
that thing about having more nose, i want to feel like i have to work for it to get that heavy-nosed, pivoting kind of long-surfboard kind of turn, from the tail--ya know, really dig the toes in on my back foot on those drop-knee turns--that's why i wedge the rear (fat side to the back). the side-slipping feeling could be from over-steering rear trucks. it's not bad when you're goin slow, but it gets sketchy for me when the hill gets a little steeper. also, i think the sensation seems more similar to a snowboard turn than a surfboard turn.
oh yeah, fiberglass is always a good way to add strength to your deck. if i was going to glass a deck, i'd use maybe 3/8 or 1/2" stock instead of the 3/4" that i made my last two out of. check out the homemade boards page at this site, cuz there's lots of folks who've made more boards than i have who probably have lots more good ideas.
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home-brewed nose riders with wedgies
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On 6/30/2003
Kolu
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Hey Brian, mahalos for the info. I'm real interested in seeing the pictures. And I really like your idea of copying a surf template from a mag. Any reason why you chose 57" as the length? Also interested in knowing how your board holds up with just the glue. Any special type of glue or is that a factory secret? I wonder if wrapping the whole thing in fiberglass might have any advantage or just make it heavier. I suppose it would help with protecting the wood.... My only potential concern with going just glue is the weather in Hilo. It's so wet that I'm afraid the glue might just melt after a while and I'd end up on my head when it decided to fall apart. Then you guys would have to catch up with me in the "crashing" forum. Ouch. ;) Your comment "the more weight that has to be distributed rear truck to make it take over the steering action, the more "nose" you effectively put on your board" made me think a bit. I guess it really depends on what kind of riding you're doing, right? Still squishing that one around in my brain, but first though was, if you wanted to emulate a more classic style with full drop knee turns on a heavy old surfboard, I would imagine that "more nose" would give you a more realistic feel.... But of course I could be wrong. Just going on what the guy said on the surfacemotion website and what my squishy brain fed to me. I would imagine I might want a tighter nose and turnier tail. Although I did talk to vaitus about how my last 60" incarnation tended to track sideways-ish down the hill due to some reason I don't quite understand. Maybe my problem was what you described you didn't like: "when riding from the middle somewhere, i don't like the feeling of the tail steering as much as the front". There's a possibility that perhaps the tail was turning more than the nose and that was the problem that I was encountering while riding from the middle. Ah, upon reading your post again, I do see that you wedge both the front and back. Skinny side out on both sides or which...? Can't remember if you said or not. What we need is some variable-tilt risers that you can vary your wedge without having to remove your trucks. Or maybe variable wedge truck baseplates? I still haven't tried the wedges on my Pumpkin yet. Wanting to have a good feeling on what it's like before I muck around with it.
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home-brewed noseriders, wedges, et. al.
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On 6/30/2003
brian
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Kolu,
no pics yet, hopefully within the week or so. as far as putting it together, i took the lines off of a sixties' lookin' longboard in a longboard magazine and scaled them down to a half-breadth of 5 7/8" for a total width of 11 3/4" x a lenght of 57". i simply glued the four planks and three stringers to each other and clamped them good overnight. i don't have a biscuit joiner but that would have helped at least in aligning the pieces and mitigating or eliminating the need for sanding afterward.
i do wedge the trucks on my noserider. when riding from the middle somewhere, i don't like the feeling of the tail steering as much as the front, but i don't want the tail to feel much tighter. even with the rear wedged, when i step back to the tail, the rear truck does most of the turning. i just like to have more options as far as tuning the feeling of making turns from different places on the board. the more weight that has to be distributed rear truck to make it take over the steering action, the more "nose" you effectively put on your board.
Vaitus,
i haven't tried exkates. there aren't many other longboarders around here, virtually none who don't exclusively ride s9 set-ups, pivot trucks included. i didn't have the option to try different torsion style trucks when i decided that's what i wanted to build my noserider to use. bakus seemed to give me a bit more freedom to tinker with them (wedges) and that little bit of insurance made a big difference. i'm happy with my choice. i'd like to try exkates someday, but i'm not going to lose any sleep.
brian
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braddahs of da braddahs
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On 6/29/2003 vaitus
wrote in from
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Kolu,
the fin episode sucks, should we have our braddahs of da braddahs talk to the suckah? maybe he needs to have a coupla things explained...;)))
I didn't have have any problems with those baseplates, even after redrilling the deck wrong...
Noskoolz are very nice but I'm going to keep them for park riding, for sliding I use 84a Flashbacks, and they rock at that. Aloha!
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10 toes over
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On 6/28/2003
Kolu
wrote in from
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Brian - any pix of your new ride? As you said home-brewed, I'm gathering that you did the craftsmanship yourself. I'm interested in the process. How did you assemble it? Glue it together, or use a joiner or something of the like? On your comments on the truck wedging, you even wedge the trucks on your nose-rider? I think the guy from the surfacemotion.com site was saying that he actually runs his front truck tight and has the back one loose for more surfy like feel. I know that truck tightness and wedging aren't the same thing, but I was thinking more about the effect of how much 'turnier' from the nose it would be....
Vaitus - so the baseplates on the exkates are threaded? Interesting. I'm seeing a potential for binding if everything doesn't line up just so.... Doesn't mean you've lost the sale, no worries. ;) Sorry to hear about your surf episode. Had some lolo actually run me over as I was ducking a wave one time (yes, I can duckdive my longboards) and run his 10" fin across my back. Took me out of work for a week! No major damage, but there was a big red welt across my back and I had a hard time moving around. Big bummer. And no "sorry" or anything. He just got his board and paddled back out. I wasn't even in his path. He decided to do a cutback right above me and realized his mistake too late....
Thanks for the info on Daddies being the Pumpkin seller. That's who I got my board from, and it was the last one in the Cruisin' 98 size. I don't think I would go any shorter than that (38") unless I was going for slalom. Maybe worth a try though....
Your thought is Flashbacks for the nose rider I gather. I think I would agree, from the feel on my Pumpkin, even though I haven't tried the No Skoolz. I might try some for sliding though....
aloha
Kolu
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wedgies
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On 6/28/2003 vaitus
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Brian,
I think wedging is a great and inexpensive way to play with different turning geometries, and I wish I had more time to experiment with that. I was just referring to my noserider setup, a 54' flat tanker, when I wrote that Exkates don't need to be wedged. I hear that many people seem to think like you about rear trucks, especially downhillers. I've actually tried dewedging the rear on a shorter board and found out that it works pretty well in increasing traction, even though it felt a bit strange. It's just that coming from longboard surfing, where classic single fin boards want to be pivot turned from the tail, I like my rear truck to be turny, and in general I like to ride from the tail. Have you tried Exkates by the way?
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wedgies
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On 6/28/2003
brian
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Vaitus,
call me crazy but i wedge pretty much all my trucks, or generally at least one on each set-up. i don't like over-steering from the arse-end but i do like both trucks generally to feel loose. wedges alow me to put more steering in the front and or less in the rear, while keeping both trucks more or less equally balanced in terms of torque on the kingpin nut. lots of people aren't as uptight about such things as i am, but for me it's a big difference.
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viva Exkates
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On 6/28/2003 vaitus
wrote in from
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Kolu,
my favorite board right now is a Cosmic1 by s9, somebody on this board called it a bargain basement pumpkin. I love it anyways, if my Soulcarver surfboard equivalent is a Takayama Model T, the Cosmic 1 would be a brewer minigun. The shop that was selling Pumpkins on Ebay is daddies board shop, and I bet they'll relist them, maybe if you call them they're open to negotiation. Just got back from my first skate session in 10 days, had to take a break due to a little surfing accident from last week. went over the falls on this nice shorebreak "tube", a closeout actually, and got hit pretty hard on the back by the board, which reminded me of the main difference between modern and heavy volan boards, the latter hurt more! ah, it's so nice to do stuff like walk and breath without feeling any pain...anyways had a nice sesh on the noseridah and took the time to make a noskoolz vs. flashback comparison. well, noskoolz are great wheels, much much better than kryptos, but there's no comparison with flashbacks, those pivot turns were not quite the same, and the merit goes to the exkates/flashbacks combo. which prompts me to reply to Brian:
1)"bakus are through-mounted like standard trucks (as opposed to threading machine screws into the baseplate on the exkates) which allows me to use wedges to affect the turning geometry;"
true, but bakus have their own hole pattern, which makes them very board specific. Also there is virtually no need to use wedges with Exkates.
2)"bakus are adjustable through the kingpin, similar to non-torsion style trucks." same for the exkates, they don't have a wide range but so do bakus, which need to be kept pretty tight or they'll feel sloppy. and bakus don't have the choice of bushings either.
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baku vs. exkate
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On 6/27/2003
brian
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Kolu,
i thought i'd chime in for Bakus here. two reasons i chose baku over exkate: 1. bakus are through-mounted like standard trucks (as opposed to threading machine screws into the baseplate on the exkates) which allows me to use wedges to affect the turning geometry; 2. bakus are adjustable through the kingpin, similar to non-torsion style trucks. they're actually a really nice match for my new, home-brewed 4'9" tri-stringer: really surfy, much more lean than my randals, but somehow more stable for cross-stepping at cruising speeds.
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my cousin...Vitah?
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On 6/26/2003
Kolu
wrote in from
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I remember a company named Vitus made some cool road bikes back in the day. I'd stick with just Vaitus though - Vitah in pidgin would sound like "Vita"... somebody might think you was one wahine. As for Kolu, it means 'three' (ekolu) or 'glue' - depends on how you pronounce it. I actually stole...er..borrowed it from my dog. I named him 3 because he's my third.
The Pumpkin.... RIPS! Just what I was looking for in a board. Fit the picture in my minds eye almost to a T. I'm stoked to ride it over in Santa Cruz, where that memory photograph was taken. Yes, the narrow thing was a bit of a concern to me as well, and almost caused me to order a custom from the factory. I was just scared at how much it would cost. Figured I would try out the production board first and see how I liked it before mucking around with it. And it's currently the first board I'll grab when I want to skate. The width thing - you get used to it. As one of the current owners said - he's got size 13 feet and isn't bothered. Heck, mine are only 9's. And I don't really notice it all that much. Not like I'm trying to do tricks on it or anything anyway. Just surf. What was the story on the ebay boards?? Who was selling them?? For $50 I most certainly would have bought another. I didn't even think to look for Pumkins on ebay. I was too busy looking for nose-riders. Let me know if you see them again, or if you remember who was selling them.
As soon as I get a noserider, I'll be picking up a pair of Exkates. If you drop me an email I'll send you some honeycomb (honey included of course) anyway, if you're interested...
shoots
Kolu
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Saintah Vitah deal
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On 6/26/2003 vaitus
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Kolu,
you nailed it with the dance thing, my name is actually Vito, same as the dancer saint guy. Somebody started
calling me Vitus on and I tought it might be a cool email
name, but now I might switch to Vitah to make it more
Islands stylah..;)
howz da Pumpkin board? last week they were going for $50 on ebay and went unsold. I hear they're great decks, how's the flex on yours? only reserve I have on them is that they look pretty narrow.
deal on the bushings, let me know if you get those Exkates and I'll send them.
latah
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St. Vitus (vaitus) dance
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On 6/25/2003
Kolu
wrote in from
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Mahalos for the measurements Vaitus, I'll be able to compare widths to the Randals that are coming with me to Santa Cruz. Both sizes actually - 180's on my Fluid Fuego that I'm hoping to get some sliding coaching on from the bay area gang, and 150's on my new pumpkin that I'm amped to be cruisin' the town on. Still need to work on that nose ridah.... Maybe one of the shops there will have something I can get my salty little fingers on....
Seen the Maui longboards and Mauiline pages. Might chat them up the next time I'm over there on the garden isle. Still want to skate that ditch outside Lahaina. Think the bamboo company disappeared. Would have liked to try a bamboo board. Renewable resources are killer. I guess Comet is using bamboo for the core of some of their boards....
On da surf, I'm a bit lacking in spots here on the East side - only 4 real spots (counting Shacks and the Bay at Pohoiki as one) and not really any sand at all. Even Honolii is pretty much cobblestone. Small kine sand, but not enough to call it a "beachbreak". Kona side has plenty sand though. The island's just too young to have a lot of sandy beaches, especially on the newest side here by the volcano. There are a couple black sand beaches here though, which are a neat side effect of sand created from volcanic material. And you don't even want to know how much warmer the water is here. ;)
Yeah, recognize the stinger that Aipa makes. Bertleman and Buttons both rip. The old footage of Buttons surfing (can be seen in one of the Gravity videos) shows how far ahead of his time he was. He was doing 360s on the waves WAY before the flippy trickster kids thought it was cool. Before they were even born for that matter.... I do like the look of the Hobie Retro Egg (think we had this conversation before) because I can picture doing those Bertleman turns on it.
Beez buzz - I'm just a hobby beekeeper, but between my bee partner and I we have 5 hives with the goal to have many more. If I get those Exkates, you have a deal with the honey/bushing trade. I could send you some honey that would knock your socks off. Just drop me an email.
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da beez biz
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On 6/25/2003 vaitus
wrote in from
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Mistah Kolu
201s are 250mm axle to axle and 180mm hanger to hanger, like randals. You're right, plenty of options out there in the flat plywood boards compartment, main differences are the graphics and number of plys, 13 for most of them but 15 or 17 for some, like the Ed Economy models (sold by Gravity). I don't know any Hawaiian board makers directly but a couple of names that come to mind are Maui longboards and Mauiline (look on silverfish.cc), also a while back some hawaiian company was selling bamboo boards on ebay, forgot the name.
Switching back to surfing I happen to be in North Carolina,
really purdy and clean beaches and rideable waves. No comparisons with the West Coast or the Islands, all we have here are beachbrakes and the waves are only clean early in the morning or before dark, messy for the rest of the day and closing out when it gets bigger. Oh and the water gets to 45 degrees in the winter. Can't complain too much though, once a month I get the occasional super fun session and there are worse places surf wise.
Are in you da beez biz anyways? I love honey, eat me a honey sandwich for breakfast every morning. Maybe you can send me a sample of Hawaiian Honey in exchange for some exkate bushings. Deal? ah ah
Ps Ben Aipa was Larry Bert's shaper back in the day. the stinger was a board he developed just so he could replicate his skate moves on the waves. he still makes them, basically they're fast down the line shortboards that can be turned from the mid section or the nose.
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all da cruzahs
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On 6/25/2003
Kolu
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Really stoked that this forum has livened up lately! Gonna start w/ Mr. Speedy, as he's top of the page...
Speedy - those Flexdex are actually made of wood instead of their usual material. The downhill 60 is just regular ply, and the Slater K60 is... well, v-lam isn't the best word, but it's got a stringer just like a surfboard, & a couple of slabs of mahogany on either side of the stringer. You're right though, I bet a 60" board made of their composite matl. would be super heavy. Don't think I would buy one of their regular boards either.
Scott - what size Indies? Guessing 215....? Have you tried other trucks on it? I bet the Randals would work good too. I'm interested in vaitus' Exkate theory too.... Know what you're saying about the $ though.
Mr. Vaitus... Gotcha on the 201's. Makes sense. How are those measured by the way - just in case I end up scoring a pair from my friend, I want to make sure I get the right size.... Not quite sold on the SoulCarver. For $65 I can get a Landyachtz B-ride that's 58" and has a 41" w.b.. Closer to the 60" that is my goal, and the same wheelbase as your S.C.. Scott's Nosewalker is 57" for $69, also a 41" w.b.. I'm sure the SoulCarver is a nice board, but the LY and S9 boards are just more aesthetically pleasing to me, even though they are different shapes from each other. And still closer to that elusive 60". I like both of the Gravity boards too (hardwood classic and classic cruiser) but they're 50" and 52" respectively. Doh. Wish I knew the w.b. on those Flexdex boards just out of curiosity. The biggest thing you hit right on the head - they're all just plywood!! Sigh. You do have a good idea about trying to contact a local longboard company (Veteran, who made HughR's 8 wheeler replica is here on the big island) but if I'm going to do that I should just make the thing myself. The biggest problem is cost of materials. My bee partner and I were wanting to make our own hives and found it was the same price to order something that was pre-made from the mainland. Other than shipping of course, but my time is worth more than the hassle of cutting dovetails by hand. Anyway, I guess I'm just going to have to continue the quest for the right board. Wish I could just test ride them all. To the surf! I'm afraid I'm lacking in good answers for you on the Aipa boards. Never came into contact with him myself, but his son Akila rips. If I recall correctly there was a writeup on him fairly recently in Longboard magazine. I'm afraid I haen't tried any of his boards. I was getting good deals on T&C boards through a friend of mine. With all the suggestions that you've given me on skateboards, I'm a bit lacking in the surf knowledge that you're looking for, sorry. I used to shape my own boards, due to the cost factor like everything else, but haven't done that in a while either due to lack of proper workspace. I'm a firm believer and supporter of the local shaper either way. You get a board that is well suited to local conditions and hopefully a shaper who knows what he's talking about and surfs the same breaks that you do. The best shaper deal that I came across was this guy that I knew that, as long as your board was in decent condtion, would shape you a new one for just the price of the blank if you gave him your old one. He'd clean up your old one and sell it and wouldn't lose any money. Whereabouts are you located again?
aloha ka kaua
Kolu
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