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| Q&A: Slalom Pro Mike Maysey (2489 Posts)
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Gilmour
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On 12/18/2003 Hamm
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how bout this? maybe they're giving you "best of's" because you said your not going to post anymore.
(Remember.. Ncdsa.com is not responsible for the opinions of its Q&A editors!)
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defamation
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On 12/18/2003 Hamm
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None of it makes any sense to me! I'm just poking fun.
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Some of them want to be Abused
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On 12/18/2003 jgoihlnmour
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oops I gave myself an undeserved abuse by accident- perhaps we should have that one corrected-
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I've been defamed!
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On 12/18/2003 John Gilmour
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And for making defaming me Hamm- I'm giving you an abuse- kind of like getting a rusted bearing in your socking.
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Post of Christmas Ghast
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On 12/18/2003
tiny tim
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Hamm- what sense would it make not make reference to post # 150589? Of course I'll post info- but when the original post goes - so goes the info and the effort spent typing it. If no reference is made and it disappears- who would ever know it was there? As soon as that post goes- I stop posting information on NCDSA.com until they change their editing system.
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JG
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On 12/18/2003 Hamm
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how many times will JG post, "this is the last time I post"???
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it's bending downwards
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On 12/18/2003 JG
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refering back to post 150589 I was wondering if anyone had some of thesame thoughts on Camber? Mike M. You had a zero camber Turner- could you elaborate on the ride?
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Exactly
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On 12/18/2003 Geezer-X
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Right. All weight on a kart is unsprung weight. That's why racing karts leaves you feeling like you'd gone 7 rounds with Hector Camacho. I'm not sure how you spell "Hector Camacho", BTW. Anyway, my point is that on a skate board, your unsprung weight is like 5 ponds, and your sprung weight is your body weight. As for flex, most people stand pretty freakin' close to over the trucks anyway.
And...
I gave you a best of, just to mess with you.
And...I'm charging interest starting....Uhhhh....NOW!
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The old flex and suspension thing
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On 12/18/2003
Geezer-X
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On a skateboard there is suspension. It's called "Knees". The Idea on a car is to keep the unsprung weight (wheels, tires, hubs, brakes, and about half the weight of the control arms, springs, shocks and sway bars)as low as possible, so that the whole mess can follow the undulations of the racing surface as well as possible. I've spent a lot of time and money racing motorcycles (and for that matter r/c cars) with fully adjustable suspension (rebound and compression damping, spring rate and preload)and cars with partially adjustable suspension (overall damping, spring preload)as well as 4 stroke and 2 stroke sprint karts with NO suspension. The karts don't need suspension because the vehicle weighs the same or less than the payload.
The greater the disparity between the weights of the sprung and unsprung components of a vehicle, the more important suspension becomes.
SCCA showroom stock racing car. Unsprung/300lbs, sprung/2200lbs.
600 superstock race bike. unsprung/75lbs, sprung/500lbs.
Yamaha 100cc direct drive sprint kart (no suspension)/140lbs, minimum class weight 360lbs, ie driver and ballast to equal <220lbs.
skateboard 5lbs/rider 160-240lbs typically.
The simple fact that I weigh 40 times as much as my skateboard negates the benefit of "suspension". No if you want to consider the benefit of flex from an unloading-loading standpoint as a source of power, I'm all ears. With regard to flex affecting traction, maintaining a tight parallel relationship between your wheels has more affect than ANYTHING else on grip. Period. I mean for a given set of conditions. On a cold day, there's less grip, but trucks with stiff, perfectly straight axles will let you exploit as much of the grip as possible.
A rigid board does not absorb force. If you push down, there is a direct mechanical connection to to ground through the contact patches of your wheels. The reason PVDs work so well is the direct mechanical pivot. The contact patches are tied to the deck. The bushings are springs for RTC, not isolators. I've been riding a very low camber super stiff Roe Unlimited with PVD R2s, and I have almost too much grip. I can run 90a avalons on pretty much anything, although I don't really routinely run on crap surfaces.
Perfectly aligned wheels, and a direct connection with the riding surface so the rider can really feel what's happening at the contact patch is what you're looking for in virtually kind of racing which involves wheels and pavement. The issues of spring and damping only crop up when the vehicle weighs more than the driver.
Bear this in mind. The absolute track record at many venues is held by a kart, not a formula car or superbike. No suspension except chassis and tire flex.
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self abuse
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On 12/18/2003 george g.
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See, I alrady gave you a best of to counter-act the abuse. Great post. Merry Chrismas to all the East, West and everywhere slalom skaters. I hope you get the Chlorine Video for Christmas it rocks!
I especially enjoyed your post about pavement and agregate/composition.
Self abuse awareness week starts in Feb of next year. I got to go to another place, SSA, Slalom Skaters Anonymous, Hi my name is George, and I am a Slalom skater.......
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huh?
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On 12/18/2003 John Gilmour
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to help get it started I posted the first abuse vote.
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HUh Huh???
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On 12/18/2003 Terry
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Let me clarify.
Its not the board that makes him fast.
The board handicaps him.
He is still fast despite this handicap.
Modern gear be it Roe, radical PVD, Chicken, etc... will allow him to go even faster.
They don't sell oak skis anymore.
There is a reason for this.
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bruce's fibreflex with spring thingamajig
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On 12/17/2003 hc
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http://www.geocities.com/wackyboards/fibreflex_spring.jpg
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huh?
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On 12/17/2003 hc
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it ain't the board, but somehow he will be faster on roe and pvd's ???
wonder what luca think of all this, when i talk to him at MB, he does seem pretty unaware of the whole current slalom equipment 'advances'.
but i do agree with tk, it's probably more technique than anything else....
bruce, thx for that link, pretty whacky ;-)
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Luca
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On 12/17/2003 TK
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Gilmour has forgotton more about board design than most people know.
Luca is a freak. The reason he wins is because of his skill and weight to strength ratio. His board is a handicap. Put him on a Roe Cross Fire stiff with PVD's and he would blow minds even more.
It aint the board people.
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rear truck placement
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On 12/17/2003 Hamm
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what's different about the rear truck placement??
where is the rear truck in relation to the kicktail??
not trying to pound this thread into the ground, just trying to get my info straight as MY wood board may come to life this weekend
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Wood
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On 12/17/2003
mike maysey
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19" happened to be where the builder drilled it. I didn't pick it but it seems to work very well. I think with the additional steering I put back into the rear it's going to work great for anything TS-HS...
The kicktail is such an interesting addition to a slalom board. As well as the placement of the rear truck.
Brian Patch kills it in Chicken's pool. Salba, Reuler and the rest.....holy crap, buy the movie. The Olson/Hackett stuff is hilarious at times.
Late...............
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Wood
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On 12/17/2003 Hamm
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Mike,
Brian Patch FLYS out of Chicken's doesn't he? Insane!
You say your new wood board has an 19"WB??
Just curious how you came up with 19 instead of 18
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Wood
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On 12/17/2003
mike maysey
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Rode the wood stick last night on a decent course. It worked very well. The kicktail worked unreal adding leverage while cranking heelside turns. My setup was not quite turny enough so I took the additional riser out and added some turning back. Can't wait to ride it again this evening. The 85 wheels I was riding were groaning in the rear with each offset.
Watched 'Chlorine' last night. GET THIS MOVIE! Brian Patch has some killer runs in Chicken's pool. And Salba, holy crap. You must see this movie!!!!!
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70's (AF) technology
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On 12/16/2003
Norski
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I came across this board last week on eBay. I tried to add it to my collection, but look who nabbed it!
Sorry, I don't have luck posting pics.....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3642895013
I have also seen this set-up on a Fibreflex. I emailed a pic to hc. Maybe he'll post it!
L8r SK8rs' and "Happy Holidays"
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adjustable rods
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On 12/16/2003 george g.
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That is interesting. I have some swim fins with adjustable strips/rods, depending on leg strength, current, water temp etc. That is a good idea, like insertable carbon arrows into a deck, you bet that 2-3 would make a difference with virtually no weight penalty.
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solid oak vs composite
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On 12/16/2003 hc
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I remembered reading this post by JG when I was learning slalom.
http://www.geocities.com/sk8sanjose/slalomdeck.html
(scroll down)
It's interesting to reread it after watching luca's performance at MB, although I don't buy JG's theory...
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adjustable flex (AF)
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On 12/16/2003 hc
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george, i mentioned similar ideas before.
(partly inspired by Slingshot bicycles)
another variation would be to add spings or urethane bushings at the end of the cable (or kevlar tape in GC's case).
JKim have built one with adjustable tension cables.
I would like to build a AF deck, possibly with removable carbon rods, someday...
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k2
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On 12/16/2003 hc
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msk, thx for that link, i remembered reading about those 'smart skis' in PopSci, and wondered whether it was a gimmick or not. I just checked the k2 site to see if there's more info, but seems like they don't use them anymore, but some mass dampener thingamagig...
http://www.k2skis.com/thelab/
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Flex control
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On 12/16/2003 george g.
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A year or two ago, Gary Cross had a board with a kevlar type belt running under it. It appeared to be attached between the trucks like a stringer, as wide as the trucks. It looked like it stopped the flex after a certain amount of compression. It could be made adjustable using different holes. Of course one would have to loosen or remove a truck to do it. Simple and interesting. But that was the last time I saw it.
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