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ISSA
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On 6/3/2003 99
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Cost of entry to FCR $150
Tell me MR Arab, how much for Paris???
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ISSA Grüningen Cologne rules
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On 6/3/2003
Joe Leonhardt
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Grüningen rules were mainly done by Chris (SER-Team) in close coordination with the swiss organizers.
Thank you again, to my mind the rules are clear and short.
The German race called 'Deutsche Meisterschaft' is done under the regime of 'Deutscher Rollsportbund' and Axel Fischer w/ B. Heringer as the main organizators.
Deutscher Rollsprotbund has no rules for Slalomskateboarding.
And all who know Deutscher Rollsprotbund from the (mid)/late 70's know all ... no comment.
As far as their website www.dsm2003.com tells: no rules (yet).
Both races Grüningen (Youth Generation and others) and Cologne (Deutscherrollspotbund, Axel Fischer ...) are no ISSA races.
Maybe we need universal rules. Who will do this tricky job ?
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Rules
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On 6/3/2003 99
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Issa rule 27:
.....27. ACCOMMODATION
It is recommended that the organizer provide accommodations free of charge to all participants and guests. If accommodations have to be paid for by former Eastern block countries they should not have to pay more than 50% of the regular price. The cost of accomodation should be stated in the 3rd announcement.
It is the responsibility of each person using the accomodations to keep it clean and to behave well. The place should be cleaned by the people using the accomodations at the day of their departure.
The organizer is recommended to keep the accomodation open at least 2 days before the contest and 1 day after the contest.....
Do you PROMISE to behave well Arab?
And the FCR rules...they'd be WHERE?????
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ISSA
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On 6/3/2003
Arab
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Howard-I wish the ISSA the best in promoting Slalom, lets hope they are promoting Slalom and not the ISSA, It appears to me that by all accounts they failed to use most all of their stupid rules and regulations at their first race, Thank God!!!!!!!!! ISSA rules are DEAD!!!!!!!!!!The only good general rule is #27.
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Paris
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On 6/3/2003
Vlad
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Mike, can I post on your forum? (That was my question…)
I want to add something from a racer’s perspective. That straight course (RACE) was loose. It was a pumper in the fist 30 cones and a wiggler in the last 10.
Luca’s setup was for running 6 ft cones on that hill after getting a fast start. We didn’t have a fast start. The ramps were only 3 feet tall. As a result Luca was getting his rhythm only in the last 1/3 of the course. He wished for 10 or 20 more cones.
We practiced at an identical hill on the other side. The course was set at 6 ft and we were getting a fast run in. That was really a “Luca’s course”. Kenny got that on his video. I had no desire to shoot a video of anyone on the 2-meter racecourse, but I got a couple of Luca’s runs on the 6ft practice course. He had about 10 cones on me on that practice course.
It would have been much better if they had a 6ft course with a 2-m start ramp. Maybe next year. The idea was to accommodate the majority, and most people made the course alright. 6 ft would have been left for 6 skaters (maybe more). I had problems with 6ft course at full throttle too, but I would have loved to skate it in the competition. It was all about timing the switch form Pump to Wiggle, and in a parallel race the desire to prolong pushing (pumping) becomes irresistible…people start hitting cones. He who stays in control longer wins. Skating a 50 cone at 6 ft course was not a problem. Making it clean was not a problem as well. It is pushing on that course that caused a problem. Esp. pushing too much too late.
All posted times were qualification times. We didn’t have a race. Time was short. They started running the race, but in the first heat one of the timers failed (my timer). I raced Jani in that round. The race times would have been different. We all know how much actual race differs from qualification rounds.
All that said, Luca was not the fastest Euro skater. He was constantly beaten by other guys in the 1990s. He eventually won the 1995 ISSA title, but there weren’t many (strong) competitors left by that time. 1994 results were a bit different. I think he was #2 or #3 after Ridoli and (maybe) Matsukevich, I don’t recall. The comp level was very high- he who trained the most for that comp usually won. Ridoli and Matsukevich were parallel slalom specialists. I heard both of them might be back this year. These are not some skaters from the street. The guys trained really hard for slalom, spending a lot of time in the gym and on snow in the mountains. It took years to get there and 35 was considered a veteran’s age. Luca’s 34 now and this is a different slalom era. Competition isn’t that strong and all “Lucas” seem beatable. Especially if they decide not to upgrade their equipment. Most likely we will see Luca at MB this year.
Vlad.
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ISSA
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On 6/3/2003
hg
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In the 90's, ISSA sanctioned various races and created a ranking system as well as a set of rules. That effort has been revitalized, with Paris, Gruningen, Cologne (German Championship) and Antibes (European Championship) on the race calendar this year.
It seems that this year the ISSA organizers are testing the water, with a more fully developed race calendar and ranking system next year. In terms of rules, I don't think anything is frozen from the 90's - the required start ramp was 6ft, but they used a 3ft ramp in Paris. I look forward to learning more about the plans of the organization when we travel to Gruningen.
In any case, I think it's great that US skaters have already begun to participate in ISSA sanctioned events, and suspect that the ISSA return is significant in this new chapter of slalom history.
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Slalom Stuff
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On 6/2/2003
Arab
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Farid-Could you name the 15-20 FCR racers that wouldnt beable to make a 6.5 course? In preparation for last years FCR tight race at La Costa, Chicken, Richy and I ran 6' straight on a hill we ran 40mph GS on. It was like 3.0 on Flat. This week we have been practiceing 5.0, Granted my best run through a 50 cone course was only hitting 3 cones, This on a new board and setup that I never ran before, I never even ran 5.0 before.
Howard-Are you implying that the ISSA is promoting races or is trying to implement their rules world wide, lets hope we dont get stuck with there lame rules and regulations for slalom here in the states. Is the Gruinegan race promoted by the ISSA? are they useing ISSA rules and regulations?, did the Troc use ISSA rules?
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Clarity
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On 6/2/2003 Michael
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Just to show some clarity on Lucas winning time in the tight at Paris, here are the pro times:
1 334 Luca Giammarco (Italy) 10,58
2 319 John Gilmour (USA) 10,97
3 307 Dhyan Fisher (Suisse) 10,98
4 329 Vlad Popov (USA / Russia 11,01
5 363 Jani Söderhäll (Sweden / 11,25
6 303 Andreas Pfander (Suisse 11,27
7 332 Gianluca Ferrero (Italy) 11,32
8 306 Paul Price (UK / Australia 11,64
9 300 Michael Stride (UK) 11,74
10 325 Hamid Boujrad (France) 11,77
11 348 Kenny Mollica (USA) 11,87
12 323 Pierre Samray (France) 11,93
13 353 Chris Hart (Switzerland) 12,01
14 302 Mitch Bekk (Suisse) 12,15
15 317 Dieter Fleischer (France) 12,19
16 316 320 Jean-Paul Alavoine (Fran 12,60
17 331 Jojo Illegale (Switzerland 12,88
18 342 David York (Switzerland) 14,45
Fabio Muller, Simon Levene, Aki Illegal all DQ'd
My own view is that IF the top FCR pro racers had been there they would have peppered the results with placings, spurred on by seeing what IS possible, and especially when seeing guys like Paul Price and I posting respectable times they would have really pulled all the stops out.
But Luca would still have won!
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Crap
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On 6/2/2003
Farid
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Guys,
Argue the merits of your point, don't attack or belittle each other. I like Arab and try to talk to him every time I see him. He has been cool every time. Yes, you can bait him and get him to lay down some nasty posts, but why? A good factual debate is fun and can be a learning experiece. An arguement makes everyone look stupid.
Farid A. Abraham
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risers, truck combinations
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On 6/2/2003
hg
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Mike - thanks for the note on the risers. We came to similar conclusions running PD's sicko course on the Avila practice hill. Lots of swapping stuff around just to get through the course.
We ended up with Seismic 110's in front and TTC's in rear for Lauren (hybrid redrilled to 17.5") and Dylan (fullnose). Terry and I both ended up with RT-X / TTC combos. I think Jack was running a Radikal / RT-S. PD's had one of his new layups with PVD's front/rear - I couldn't get used to the loose rear truck, but PD and Amy were ripping with that setup.
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Troc
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On 6/2/2003 Farid
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It was 10.5 seconds, 50 cones, 130 meters (about), at 5 cones per second. They couldn't go any tighter on that hill. 6.5 feet on center on that hill would have been like 4.5 feet on flat. Carl Lewis could not have covered that distance in that time!
In terms of half the pros blowing out, I'm not trying to be argumentitive, weak, or ignorant. I've just seen our racers and what has happened here and abroad. They couldn't have made it. (Remember half would have,ie 15-20 riders. So I'm not dissin' our guys. And hey, we are probably faster in GS. If we had our top 15 guys, we would have gotten 2nd-16th. Luca would have still won.)
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Howard now has to be on Arab's list
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On 6/2/2003 Slalom Hack
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In just one post, Howard did three things:
Flatly contradicted Arab
Implied that ISSA can promote a race as well as FCR
Complimented races not held in California
Let's see if Arab treats the guy who makes his wheels the same way he treats anyone else who disagrees with him. I wonder just how much hypocrisy from one middle-of-the-road slalom skater this website can endure? After all, who is Howard Gordon with only two years of slalom experience to dispute Arab's many decades in the sport??
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ISSA
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On 6/2/2003
hg
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ISSA is far from dead, though it did hybernate for a while.
The Paris ISSA event drew more than 60 participants, and Gruningen registration is already 60 entries, with TV promotion underway throughout Switzerland. The resurgence of slalom started earlier in the US, but look for European participation to come on very strong over the next year.
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13 yearolds
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On 6/1/2003
Arab
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Farid-Granted Luca is fast, 6.5 is not tight and not hard, especially when it is only 11 seconds long, I know you have been to a couple FCR races over the last couple years, To say that more then half of the FCR pros would be blowin cones is really a weak statement. get real!
You Are 13-Now that you have become an FCR course discription specialist with your single Visit to La Costa, Understand, there is no such thing as "Cali GS", First off, the term Cali isnt used by Californians, it is more a hip/hop/ethnic/rap thing, your use of that word shows how little you know about California, and to say that there is such a thing as "Cali GS" is to show how little you know about slalom.
"There is ALOT more to slalom than going 40mph around 30'+ offset cones. That IS apart of slalom but it is only one part of many."
Lets see.........Elsinore Saturday Hybrid was 35mph+, The last 15 cones or so were 9' apart.
Sunday GS last 15 cones were set at about 12-15 at near the same speeds.
I'm sure you would have no problem making these type of courses on your beloved flat ground, but you would have been shaking in your sneakers at Elsinore.
Flat ground slalom is for begineers that havent mastered the technique(Balls) to go fast.
For all this talk of how good you are at tight, I heard you couldnt even make the course on sunday at the gathering, is this true?
Will you step up and put your money where your mouth is and race me?,
Will you continue to criticize FCR and its racers and courses?
Will you continue to hide behind your keyboard or will you actually show up and race with the big boys some day?
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slalom
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On 6/1/2003 Farid
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Guys,
All I know is this: On the Trocadero where they had cones 2 meters on center (6.5 feet)in a straight line, more than half of the FCR pros would be blowing out by the lower portion of the course. It was FAST & TIGHT! If every one of the top ten in the FCR went, they all would have been racing for 2nd place. Yes, Luca Giammarco is in a league all by himself. In GS where speeds are in the 35+ range, we would have a chance.
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"beginner slalom"
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On 6/1/2003 ur13
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I don't get this....slalom on flat or even uphill being "beginner slalom". There is little beginner about it. Given all you speed comes from your pump the problems in one's form/technique become very apparent. There is no room for mistakes. That is one of the beauties about slalom skateboarding...being able to generate your own speed. As the english. I doubt many top level english courses would be considered beginner. Hell a 36 cone 1.7m course may be easy to "make" but to make that course at a world record speed is another thing.
Challenging courses can be set on any hill, any flat, any up hill...that is what is so cool about slalom.
Get off the macho BS and have an open mind. There is ALOT more to slalom than going 40mph around 30'+ offset cones. That IS apart of slalom but it is only one part of many.
If all flatland slalom is for beginners on the same note one can set a beginner course on a hill. One can set a beginner course going 30mph....
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Cali GS . . .
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On 6/1/2003 SSS Racing
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As far as Cali GS -- while you guys are shakin in your Vans we are chargin and driving bigger and faster courses! We ride everything out here -- even your beginner flat courses -- on hills! Gary Cross knows what's up!
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Can Somebody define what Cali GS is?
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On 6/1/2003 Slalom Hack
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Whatever course Gary Cross decides he wants to ride on race day.
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whoops
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On 5/31/2003 ur13
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Eric I apologize for responding to your comment. I realize that no one here can even remotely know as much as you and therefore none of us can question you or voice an opinion of our own.
Sorry about that. It won't happen again.
It's better to ignore Eric Groff's "opinions" and rants.
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Whatever
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On 5/31/2003
Arab
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The ISSA is DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank God!
Thanx for enlightening us with your vast slalom knowledge, I live in California and I dont think I have every actually raced on a California GS.
Is "Cali GS" in the official ISSA begineer handbook?
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cali GS
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On 5/31/2003 ur13
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The GS set at La Costa last summer would qualify as a "cali (or american) GS" IMHO. That being opposed to the "GS" course that was run in Paris which would be called a hybrid course here in the USA.
For definations of ISSA spec courses go here;
http://www.pcpal.se/issa/
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Storey Road tomorrow 9:30am
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On 5/31/2003
mike maysey
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I'm planning to head up to Storey RD tomorrow morning around 9:30 am. Anyone in this area c'mon out and skate with me. I'm planning on running some Cali GS!! Got a new stick to try out.....c'mon out and see what the Turner Super Skunk Works has been up to lately.
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Cali GS
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On 5/31/2003
mike maysey
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Good Point Arab...I would classify Cali GS loosely by the speeds. I like GS on as steep a hill as I can handle...getting steeper all the time. ie.)The race at MeLaren Park a month ago was on a VERY steep hill with speeds closer to downhill than to 'slalom.'
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On 5/31/2003
Arab
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"For Cali GS and courses where pumping is less of need...where stability is more important I think I would resort back to .325" and under in riser."
Can Somebody define what Cali GS is?
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Jacked up Slalom Boards...
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On 5/30/2003
mike maysey
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I've been skating TS and HS with fairly high risers lately. It helps when the courses are technical. You can loosen your trucks and crank turns way harder than with the lower risers and tight trucks. For open HS and GS, I still use fairly low riser set ups. Recently, I've gone to flat risers in the rear. I used to have a hard time making flat risers work in the rear...since I've gotten a little better at running cones, I've found the flat riser configuration works better. You can run the back truck slightly tighter and still get the same amount of turn and have greater stability at high speed with a slightly looser front truck I can make just about any offset and hang tough at speed without worry of wobbs.
Jack up your TS board to 3/4"-1" riser and loosen your trucks a bit...set a course with some wacky compressed offsets and go for it. As UR13 says, try it....you might like it.
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