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Cyberslalomorama
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On 9/12/2003
Ga. Tom
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Thanks Jonathan......The Radikals are really special trucks. Very precise and easy to turn....I'm actually still in the adjusting stages. I've been an Indy rider nearly all my life. The difference in feel is huge. The superiority of Radikals for slalom use is immediately obvious. I've been doing alot of tight work with them on mellow slopes and they're working great, but no steep downhill slalom yet.
I haven't done cyberslalom is six months or so. It's time to get back on it.....My pump strength has diminished. Been spending too much time playing on hills :-)
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Correlation/lack thereof between CS and race times
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On 9/11/2003
Jonathan Harms
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Thanks for the compliment, Ga. Tom. I'm stoked on the picture, because it makes me look better than I really am. Also, though you wouldn't know it from my race results, my times really are legit. Nonetheless, I've been beaten by more than a few of the guys with slower CS times than mine--like you! :-) I like cyber slalom, but most races are nothing like CS: variable surface texture, higher speed, offsets, and run on a *hill*. That's why I was so excited about the 1.7-meter race in Athens (bummed that we got rained out after one run); at least in that race I felt like I had a fighting chance. Plowing 5 cones on a course I typically run clean didn't help, though. You did a great job there. How are those Radikals working for you? And have you done any CS lately?
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MD
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On 9/10/2003 Gary H.
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Don't look now but Michael just beat his time again (on Sept 4th)
8.147 !
Way to go on a Roe!
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Access code...
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On 9/8/2003
Adam
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Jim, Confirming that the code was emailed to you (2X) at the address below. Perhaps something is blocking our emails. Do you have a secondary email address I can try?
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cyber slalom
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On 9/7/2003
Nick
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Ok!! Thanks, GA. Tom! now I got it...
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Cyberslalom
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On 9/7/2003 Ga. Tom
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Nick - click on "Cyber Slalom Challenge".
all your questions will be answered....
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cyber slalom
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On 9/7/2003
Nick
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Eeerh...excuse me and please don´t bash me on this...
but can someone explain to me what cyber slalom means...
is it when the distance between the cones gets smaller
towards finish? if not,what the Hell is that??
Thanks for any Input!!
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Cyberslalom in the "Show Me" state
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On 9/7/2003
Ga. Tom
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Nice pic and cs times Jonathan!
I experienced the same duro oddity back when I was praticing cs alot. Seems the board/truck/wheel set-up rules that apply to downhill slalom on asphalt don't apply when it comes to cyberslalom, or any flatland slalom for that matter.....OR perhaps I just need to alter my flatland technique a bit in order to go faster on harder wheels....My fastest cs times were on 86/82a cambrias. My 90/86a cambria times were slower...go figure....Also, my cs times on asphalt were consistently faster than on crete....Finally I just said screw it, it's only cyberslalom, hehe....But, love it or hate it, it IS good slalom training, no doubt about it....
It was great seeing ya in Athens! Hope to see you at the next race....West Virginia??
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Access code...
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On 9/6/2003
Jim McDonnell
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Hmmm... I'm one of life's 15-times-a-day email checkers, but no code yet. The address for the link above is correct - is that the address the code has gone to?
Thanks for the reply though -
Jim
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Access code for the CS page..?
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On 9/6/2003
Adam
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Jim,
Your code has been eamiled to you twice now, once on Sep-3 and again just now. Check your email.
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Access code for the CS page..?
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On 9/6/2003
Jim McDonnell
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Hi all - I just gave cyber slalom my first try and would like to post my time on the CSC page, but I'm not getting a reply to my access code request from the 'webmaster'. Any other avenue I can go down to get my code?
Thanks -
Jim McDonnell
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Photo?
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On 9/5/2003
Jonathan Harms
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OK, I'm trying a new image-hosting site. Let's see if this photo will stay up. This is from the first cyber session that Jeff Goad and I did in July 2003. It was really hot that day, hence the light clothing. I guess one of the consequences of having an area big enough to actually do cyber slalom is that it almost has to be out in the open somewhere. On this day, oddly enough, I was faster on 85A Avalons than I was on the 92A/88A Flashbacks I'm riding in this photo. But by the time I switched to the green wheels, I was pretty tired. Anyway, here goes. Please let this work...
JBH, July 2003, Maryland Heights, MO--photo by Jeff Goad
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Official Clean Start
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On 7/28/2003
Steve in AZ, once in Gaithersburg
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The box is 3' x 3'.
The board must pass between the two front corners of the box for a legal start (as well as pass between the two 3' cones at the end).
You can push and pull the board under your foot at the start line as much as you want, provided:
1. The front wheels of your board do not pass the front line...well, they can, but you'll just start the timer too soon and end up with a slower time. Duh.
2. Your first push must be made with your push foot ENTIRELY inside the 3 x 3' box.
Thinking about having a CSDD (CYBER-SLALOM DESERT DUEL) sometime in Ocober here in Phoenix/Scottsdale. Interested?
-=S=-
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Duh
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On 7/28/2003
JBH
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Once again I demonstrate my limited knowledge of how to post an image.
If you go to http://public.fotki.com/harmsjb/miscellaneous/section.html
you'll see what I was trying to post. Nothing kills a joke like having to explain why it should have been funny. Back to the drawing board...
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Geography lesson
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On 7/28/2003
Jonathan Harms
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Mississippi? You must have gotten us confused with Ricky Byrd. Hint: We're from the state with the red border. :-)
Regarding W.Va., we'll have to wait and see if any of this cyber slalom practice has paid off. I hope so, cuz it hurts! We did it again on Saturday: Goad took a "superman" dive (like Smokestack at Paris), and I pushed it enough that now my back AND legs hurt! Anybody else find a few new muscle aches after doing the CS?
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The Start
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On 7/28/2003
Pat Chewning
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No, the start box is where you have to START pushing from.
You are allowed to push as many times and as far as you want. The best racers push past the 1st cone and are on the board fully by the 2nd cone. "There is no 1st cone!"-- as one of the best has said.
-- Pat
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The Start?
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On 7/28/2003
Marc
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Ok , when starting , you can only push while your inside the box? Are these the new rules? I'm confused
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Mississippi Skaters (Goad & Crew)
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On 7/24/2003 lbk
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Oh I see, if you keep up that Cyber Slalom #@$ and I'm going to have to start practicing to beat you guys at the next WV Race.
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First time
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On 7/21/2003
Jonathan Harms
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Did cyberslalom (with Jeff Goad) for the first time yesterday, complete with Tway timer, video camera, the whole nine yards--or should I say the whole 174 feet? We skated for about 3 hours, including wheel changes, in 90+ heat and humidity conditions. Legs feel fine, headache is gone now, but my lower back still feels like it was beaten with a bag full of Avalons--90A, probably.
We set up our course on an asphalt basketball court in a city park. We ran it diagonally, but even so, we only had about 20 feet of runout after the finish line--not even enough room to footbrake. So, for the first couple of hours we were doing the jump-off-and-run method of stopping. Goad was the first to chuck that in favor of just riding into the grass--good idea.
The surface was very flat and level, and the (unsealed) asphalt quality was maybe 7 out of 10--decent, but not as smooth as our usual practice spot. Would love to try it on a good concrete surface someday.
I rode my Pocket Pistol TS/Hybrid, 18 1/2" wheelbase, Tracker RT-S offset (O'Shei) rear, RT-X front baseplate with an old Thunder freestyle hanger (it fits, and my other hanger is getting the Geezer-X treatment). 85A Avalons all around, trimmed front, full rear, Bones Swiss bearings. That pretty much covers it, unless someone wants to get into the whole boxers/briefs issue.
Also tried my Quicksilver/small pivot Fultrack setup with Cambrias, but it didn't feel as good. I'll let Goad tell you what worked best for him; it was kind of a surprise. Also, surprisingly, I didn't notice any time difference when I switched over to a 92/88 Flashback combo. But I was getting tired by then, so it may be worth another try. We plan to set up the same course next weekend and tweak our setups a bit in the meantime.
Anyway, we both had a great time, and from the video we definitely got some ideas for improvement. Our best times were really close, and we both improved pretty quickly. From here on, though, I think those extra tenths are going to be hard to shave. Michael, Vlad, Gary et al., you guys are aminals! :-)
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wheelbase and start speed
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On 7/21/2003
Michael Dong
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Dave,
I found that as my starts got faster and faster, it allowed me to run a longer wheelbase. Its always easier to turn once you are up to speed. When you first increase your wheelbase, loosen up your trucks a tad at first. As you get used to the longer wheelbase, tighten the trucks bit by bit until you reach that magic point where your trucks are just loose enough so that you can comfortably negotiate all cones, but tight enough to get some rebound to help you bounce out of the turns.
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Cyber setup/wheelbase etc.
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On 7/20/2003 Dave
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I am now running 19" wheelbase in order to make 6' cones.
As I improve would 20" be better? The rest of my setup is,
Turner fatboy/PP Indy's 115 and trimed Avalons 80/85.
Thanks
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Cone processing
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On 7/19/2003
Michael Dong
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Pierre,
That is cool that you guys have a website to record your times. After each cyber session, I run the course a few times with lots of push just for the "cone processing" exercise. It is good practice.
However, I find that I get MUCH more out of using the full cyberslalom rules. The short 15ft push teaches me to settle my feet quickly and develop a powerful push start. The short push also forces you to develop a powerful starting pump. If you follow F1, Michael Schumacher gains time on his opponents not only from being the best on-track driver, but he has this uncanny ability to do fast out laps directly after pitting. This is analogous to slalom racing in that you want to get up to "terminal velocity" as fast as possible in any slalom race. This can be the difference between winning or losing against a racer of equal skill and speed. If you can get a faster "out lap" (first 5 cones) you will have that extra edge. Cyberslalom is the way to get that extra edge.
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cyber, tight, hybrid board
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On 7/19/2003
Michael Dong
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Geez,
I have been using one board for everything - my Roe medium-flex Bullet. For REALLY tight stuff (Vlad tight) I will be using a Crossfire.
I like your Crossfire setup for tight. Should eat em up.
For cyber (or every course for that matter) I want to use the longest wheelbase, largest diameter wheels possible. You can "feel" the delay in turning when using an Avila in Cyber. I have run Avilas in Cyber but always at least 0.1 sec slower than my trusty Flashbacks.
I will be running a Crossfire with PVDs at Da Farm for the tight.
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Cyber History
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On 7/18/2003
Michael Dong
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Very cool Adam!
The other cool bit of information to go along with this would be the "comment" section where board setup and other misc info is recorded.
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Site update
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On 7/18/2003
Adam
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We've just upgraded the Cyber Slalom Challenge page to display a history of each rider's times via a popup window next to their time. Look for the table column titled "History" (the "Avg MPH" column is gone as it was pretty worthless).
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