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Carvin' Snow
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On 5/13/2005 PSR
wrote in from
United States
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Thanks for the props Trish! Curt, btw, once had a vid snippett online where he carved one of those 360* carves around an entire Ski-School Instructor's Clinic, who had put themselves right smack in the Middle of the trail. It was classic(I say this as a Full-Cert AASI Instructor) PSIA "do as we say, not as we do". ALL of the Instructor's heads turn in sync as Curt barrels at them, below them, back Uphill around them, and then along on his merry way! I made sure the Ski-School Director saw that, but not before showing it to the Snowboard School Staff!
You can clearly see JG's(of Madd Mike's Raceboard fame) influence on Curt's style, what with the loose arms and all.I only wish I could Bend like he does! He's one of the best 'ice riders' I've seen, absolutely carves Every frippin' turn, no matter how sketch the conditions. That's why he rides Madds boards almost exclusively. I prefer the bigger boards like my Tanker. The one I used (besides my Madds 158) in this vid is my midsized 182cm. I also run a 162cm and a 200cm Tanker, which are great freecarving/freeriding boards, as they grip on Eastern Ice, and yet float in the Fluffy stuff quite well. I ride both hardshells and softboots, but prefer hardboots for use on the skinny boards(like the Madds or the Coiler)and on the bigger Rad-Air Tankers. I only wish I could get that much body-lean and edge-grip from a skateboard, but if I did, I'd likely end up eating a guardrail along the way!
Still, Skateboarding is the cross-training one should have if you want to rule come wintertime. The nice thing is that Snowboarding then becomes your crosstraining for the Summer months. Nice how that works out! ;-D
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PSR video
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On 5/13/2005 Utah Trish
wrote in from
United States
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Hey PSR,
That was a way cool video. I live in the valley of snow and I was a ski instuctor at one time (PSIA!) but I now favor the heat and Mnt. Biking and longboarding. But after seeing your snowboarding and how much it is like longboarding, I am definantly going to buy a board and fill the gap from the winter blaaaas to summer. You and your buddies rock! Thanks for the inspiration.
Utah trish
Proud charter member of the downhillbillies
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What I'm cross-training for!
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On 5/5/2005 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
Here's a snippet of Video that shows why I use a carving skateboard all summer long. Keeping the muscle memory is key in the off-season.
http://derf.dyndns.org/~derf/snowboard/ver1.wmv
A good carveable skateboard is just one tool to use, but Is cheaper than buying gas for the boat and wakeboarding.
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New Club
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On 5/4/2005
Robbie
wrote in from
United States
(69.109.nnn.nnn)
Just started a new downhill skateboarding club called the THE ROAD DOGS. We are in San Diego and wanted to know if there are any other downhill clubs out there that are into carving, road trips and madness.
You can e-mail me at happybarrels@hotmail.com
Cheers,
Robbie and THE ROAD DOGS
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originals
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On 5/3/2005 Dankdownhiller
wrote in from
United States
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The org. are a sweet ride.After a little bit of riding they seem to develop a loose condition that I battle with still today.They turn like no other I have ridden!!I really can turn tight with the 6's about an 8'rad.I have them on a Subsonic swift 38 stiff and when you lean it carves.I lovve my current set-up.I had the trucks on the 47 they came on.I'm 36 years old and started ridin again last year after a purchase of that board.That company treated me more than fair!But after all I still want a Carveboard!!!
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original trucks
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On 4/18/2005 haole haole
wrote in from
United States
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anyone skate original super carve trucks. they use a spring loaded hanger that torques when you turn. i wanted to know what kind of results you guys have had wihth those. ive ridden my friends carve stik and am looking for that same kind of ride, but cant afford 220 for a new complete. im planning on getting the original s-8's for my sector9 carver.
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carvers
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On 4/13/2005 GlenD
wrote in from
United States
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I get how the old carvers work, I'm not getting the geometry of the new ones and how they would pivot the same. Shouldn't have skipped school so much when I was young I guess. It looks to me that the kingpin would restrict the side to side motion too much. I'd love to see them in action somewhere.
How are the carvers on bank riding. Like at Revere or some place like that. I can imagine them pivoting when trying to hold a carve across a bank. Am I wrong on this?
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carvers axle/kingpin design
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On 4/13/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
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Carver put the axle's horizontal line behind the kingpin's vertical to create a pendulum effect - I think that's the key for both models. whereas Randals and most other truck setups have the kingpin bisect the axle. so the CX really does achieve the same effect with only one moving part, and you can quickly adjust that with different bushing duros. the C7 is more 'relaxed' though with all the fancy machinery - so each has a unique ride, I like 'em both.
these are definately GREAT for mellow surf on flats and inclines or declines -- but I'd also stick to randal / gullwing / seismic too for any kind of big hill!
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carvers
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On 4/13/2005 onedrop
wrote in from
United States
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wow those cxs are steep! they are much simpler than the c7s which i have and love. i wonder how they can feel just like them though without the swivel mechanism. i run mine about medium loose on the bushings front and rear and loose on the front swivel. i like to use them at slow speeds on flats or on really mild slopes the best, doing cut backs and full circles. anything going downhill, i'll take out my landy drop carve w/ randals.
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carver trucks - CX and C7
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On 4/11/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
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hey glenD - on Carvers you gotta have riser if you want decent sized wheels on the deck. Even with a full INCH of riser for both the C7 and the CX models my Kryptos (70mm) still come really close to touchin' the deck at max pump. If you're inclined to surfing and carving lines you'll pick up the feel of the deck in just a few minutes.
btw, I'm really diggin' the CX's over the C7's. They've got the same feel using a much simpler design (see pics) plus they're tighter and more responsive. For mellow lines, flatland and soulcarving these are a sweet ride.
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Pumping how to, kinda
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On 4/11/2005 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
I grabbed this stuff, using the "Search" function on this site, limiting the scan to 'longboarding,freecarving,sidewalk surfing,riding techniques,slalom',but I knew who to ask for author-wise, a certain Mr Gilmour,The Guru IMHO. I hope this helps a bit.
On 8/5/2000 John Gilmour wrote in from 18.202.xxx.xxx:
The best desciption of how to pump I have read was written by Dan Gesmer enbtitles pumping , Gyrating or Power Turning. I'm sure he has a copy at seismic. pumping can be very efficient if you have hte right board set up and his trucks. Pushing is still more efficient, but pumping with his trucks is almost twice as easy to go long distances than pumping with regular trucks.
First I learned the arm motion and timing from tic-tacking a regular kicktailed board.
Then I got on a very short board with very loose trucks with quick turning geometry trucks. I used California slaloms at first- but Bennetts are a good choice as are Lasers. You'll have to buy an old junk deck to get these off ebay.
if you try to learn to pump on a slower turning truck like a common street truck....I doubt you'll ever get it. indys turn slower than the above trucks and Tracker slower than that. Seismics would work well. If you want to make it easier you can run your trucks with both wedges thick ends pointed inwards- skinny sides to the tip and tail. Use soft grommets- hard urethane street grommets will make learning to pump almost impossible.
Then find an excellent surface..... note not a good surface but an EXCELLENT surface that is high traction. Some of that pink sidewalk stuff is really good- your street isn't a very good place to learn as it may have oil and antifreeze on it making it more slippery.
Try to turn the board while twisting the rear of the deck and pushing the board laterally.
If your timing is off you may have some difficulty getting this. To assist you can find a hill that is not steep enough to coast down.... but almost enought to keep going. Try pumping on this grade...if you can keep going- you are learning how to pump. your front foot tilts teh deck and the back foot pushes it out to the side and down.
Then go to flat.
Then try an uphill.
If that does not work you may favor one side over another when pumping as many do.
So pick your favored side and try to pump in a very very very very large circle- at least 30 feet in diameter.
your downforce has to match in timing to the lateral force and twisting motion and your hand motion.
if that fails...... get a large deck like a fibreflex pintail- and bounce on that when you pump (this is bad habit though) once you get the rhythm you can go to a regular board
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Carver trucks
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On 4/10/2005 GlenD
wrote in from
United States
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how long does it take to get used to the carvers and what about wheel bite.
I can't use randall's on any board without cutouts. I have seismics, Indy's, Invaders, Baku's and Exkates and use these on different boards but none of them have the feel I'm really looking for. The tortions and seismics want to return to center too much, the invaders, trackers, indys don't carve hard enough.
Wheel bite is a big issue wth me because I'm a big guy and I have a special gift of being able to compress bushings well.
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P.S. PSR
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On 4/6/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
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Oh, and they don't exactly "shorten" the feeling of the board...they just make it feel "swoopy" at the front. Anyone who can pump or carve should easily pick it up in half an hour.
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PSR
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On 4/6/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Hey PSR,
They definitely turn super-tight, and yes, they wobble if they're really loose...I tighten the front truck bushing and leave the swivel adjustment "just-snug".
Ultra-aggressive speed-pumping makes an otherwise boring sidewalk or alleyway a lot of fun; a small flatspot turns into an endless, meditative carving session.I skate mine every day at lunch, when I don't have time to hit the hills.
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Tiki as downhill carver
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On 4/5/2005
Ethan
wrote in from
United States
(67.169.nnn.nnn)
I'm still using use Comet's TIKI for downhill carving. Its a great deck, I love it as much now as when I bought it last year. Its my most trusted deck.
Have mine set up with 180mm seismics ( quickturn 45 degree baseplates with red springs in front, and quickturns with light green "medium' springs in back). I weigh 165lbs. For hard carving I use 80a Grippins, which are great cause you can carve super hard but still slide em, and then rotate them so they dont cone. For slide/carve sessions try the yellow Comet wheels.
This setup carves hard but isn't TOO turny in back. I go 15-35 on this setup in around SF.
For narrower streets & sidewalks with banked driveways at lower speeds I use the 34" inch Comet Scramjet. This deck with seismic quickturns 150mm is an INSANELY CARVEY. I'm doing freaking circles back up the hill on SF's butter smooth downhill street called Rivera on the scramjet...but its a lil short for me to get in a proper drop knee position. But man that board can carve hard and manuever in tight spaces.
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Carver Trucks
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On 4/5/2005 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
Tom, how much do those 'shorten' the feel of the board? They look like they turn Super-Tight! Oh, and do they wobble?
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eddie
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On 4/4/2005 tom
wrote in from
Canada
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Eddie,
PSR gave you lots of great tips. I just wanted to add info about the Carver trucks...They're better seen than described. Check out the videos @ www.carverskateboards.com. I got a set last fall and I'm hooked! But for hill carving and speed runs, I'd go Randal, Gullwing Cruiser 60s, or Originals.
Just to reiterate what PSR told ya, FLEX is your friend when you want to carve!!
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Eddie's best bet
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On 3/30/2005 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
Eddie, go look at what Comet makes for big, gnarly, just-flexy-enough concaved DH/Cruising decks. I think the 'TIKI' will be a good bet, but, hey look around in there. You cannot beat hardwood vertical laminates, or bamboo, mixed with glass and carbon fiber for added strength and snappy flex. The Comet's have great concaves that Fit bigger feet, and are just super-high quality decks. Don't be thrown by the kicktails you see, they are just there when needed, not a hinderance to the weight or feel of the board. I like the angles of Comet's Kicks, too, as they work in urban and banked areas fine, but don't impede when I'm tuckin'+ trukin'. Other deck brands to consider would be Landyatchz, Insect, Loaded, Kebbek, G+S, and Barfoot.
For wheels, go wide and soft for grip. 3DM, Abec 11, Payaso, or Manx would be good choices for getitng gription on descents where grip/manuvering is key. Don't go too big, keep it around 70mm so that you can keep wheel-rub at bay. If you go bigger than that, go Softer, like the 72mm S-9 wheel, or Abec 11's Gumball, and look for 78a or softer, like 75a,72a, etc. Softer will wear quicker, but be stickier on most tarmac. Bigger wheels will roll faster, and as I noted, be more likely to rub when you lean hard.
With trucks, Randals are the obvious choice, as they turn predictably, and are easy to modify with bushing upgrades and wedging. Trackers do well by me, but can be a bit 'low' when used with bigger wheels (above 72mm). Z-roller desreves mention, as the 8mm axles do provide good grip, although the trucks are pretty quick/nervous underfoot, and may need Stimulator or Radikal bushings to stabilize them at higher speeds.If you go with Seismics, pick the spring kit to suit your weight, as most are sold with soft-to-mid range springs. Mr. Dan Gesmer would be who to ask about that, as he designed those trucks.
I hope that helps some. There are of course custom board builders, mostly associated with slalom Racing, who would likely be able to make you a G.S.-like board that's 'road-cruising' friendly if you're willing to buy into a custom deck. In that, you may find you'd get the shape and flex 'just right' for your riding. Otherwise, Comet would be my first choice.
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new board
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On 3/30/2005
eddie
wrote in from
United States
(70.112.nnn.nnn)
i am getting a bigger board this time for sure. im a bigger than average guy, and i cant get low enough on my old deck to slide very good or very safe until i learn how. ive been looking at a homemade deck. 46 inches long by 10 inches, and 3/4 inch thick 13 ply Baltic Birch plywood. but im still looking at some name brand decks. i want something with some good flex this time. i am hoping to find something that is just as drastic of a change from when i switched from stock trucks to the randalls. i want some pro s#@!. lots of the hills i skate are just narrow 2 lane roads, so i need to turn sharp, but i also need a board that feels stable. my current set-up can get a little washy when things get hairy.
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Next board in da quiver
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On 3/29/2005 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
Eddie, simple thoughts here, honest... Don't buy exactly what you already have. Diversify. If you've got a long-ish board, pick one that's either shorter (quicker turns) or longer (faster,bigger arcs). Note that Flex plays a big part hee. I've seen long boards that flex well, and thus can Crank in deeper turns. I've also seen stiffer shorter boards that hang well at a good clip (although shorter deck do tend to turn quicker,wheelbase length tends to make for tighter turns regardless). What kind of ride do you picture yourself using? Do you want more speed and larger,deeper turns? Do you want snappier, quicker turns that control your speed on steeps? Do you need a kicktail for urban obstacle avoidance?
From what you describe, I'm gonna guess you're on a Cosmic Rider, which is a pretty decent deck, and you've moved beyond the generic-feeling trucks S-9 unfortunately slaps onto their otherwise nice set-ups.
If you're gonna move on, figure out what you Like about that board, and note what you might not like. From there, then the board of your future can take shape. One very,very cool thing in Skateboardland is that any number of comboos can be put together, from decks,trucks,wheels,riser/wedges,and even bearings, to Build the ride you want. Sort it out. Ask dumb-sounding questions here on this site. Get answers that make sense, then put it together. There are riders here that you can ask advide from. I can be e-mailed at ebrammer @ adelphia DOT net, but guys like Cliff Coleman blow what I know away.
I could stab at what 'I' think is a good choice group of boards, wheels, trucks. But I'd prefer you think over what you've got, and what you'd wish for. After that, then we can narrow this down to the Few,Righteous Boards to pick from.
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need help with a new board
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On 3/29/2005 eddie
wrote in from
United States
(70.112.nnn.nnn)
its time to buy my 2and board. i have a sector 9 now (i dont know what kind - it has a tail though), 36 in i think with a set of randalls. i mostly do down hill carving, but i do plenty of crusing and plan to find some ditches. i just dont know where to start between flex decks and everything else. i cant seem to figure out what boards are for what. can anyone help guide me?
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carver trucks
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On 3/29/2005
eddie
wrote in from
United States
(70.112.nnn.nnn)
whats the difference between the carver and randall trucks. im real new.
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Carvers
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On 3/13/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
I got mine back in the fall and I ride 'em all the time!
Onedrop, you said it: Concrete Surfing!!
Highly recommended addition to anyone's quiver.
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Carver Trucks
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On 3/12/2005 onedrop
wrote in from
United States
(68.162.nnn.nnn)
I agree they are alot of fun. I've only had them for a week now but once you get used to them, going back to standard trucks is really weird. Even sloppy loose trucks feel stiff and tight. The carves ala the name are unreal with these trucks and really emphasizes using the whole body to turn (ie. leading with the shoulders). It's really a great feeling and captures the idea of concrete surfing. So far, I've enjoyed these the most on a very mild sloping long road where slow carves and roundhouse cutbacks rule. Definitely check these out if you're looking for real fluid style riding, there's nothing like them.
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lost texan heading for da hills
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On 2/20/2005
lost texan
wrote in from
United States
(24.155.nnn.nnn)
Matt,
supreme gratitude, im ridin freebord x-80 been learnin on small local hills, old friend of mine moved bac from mountain valley of idaho and i think were gonna hit those runs, thx. yah stopping.... haha caught a couple edges before i got it down, but always room for improvement. thanks for the advice maybe i'll catch ya on de road sumday,
peace
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