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B-Side Video
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On 12/6/2008 ONE-EYE
wrote in from
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Backside of GMR video, watch in higher quality:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=je9uWyxeF14
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Derek
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On 9/22/2007
Derek
wrote in from
United States
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243dasda32
[url= http://243dasda32.com ]243dasda32' target='_blank' rel='nofollow'>Click here for link
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Drop deck
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On 7/13/2007
Ronald
wrote in from
United States
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thanks alot but ive ben reviewing things over and for some reason the landyatchz spud caught my eye, so yea if you have review on it and wat type of specs are best on it
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Dropped Decks
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On 7/3/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
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Hmm, forgot to note one other possible deck company; Subsonic. Scott makes great decks with awesome contouring and graceful shapes. Worth looking at Twice before shopping any further....
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Chicago longboards
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On 7/3/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
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If you can afford them, Yes! Chicago's are great decks. I got my hands (unfortunately, not my feet!) on one at the Ascutney race. It's frippin' Gorgeous! Granted, for the Dinero, Landyatchz still is hard to beat, and Kebbek or Rayne should be given due consideration, but I Like the ChicagoLongboard stuff a lot. Best thing, is that wood types/quantities/looks are selectable, plus no warpage! That's not easy to do with low-volume decks with many bends, and wood choices involved. Btw, decent, but not too-deep of a concave, probably will be more 'relaxed' feeling than a Landy. So, yeah, they got my vote. :-D
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FOUND A GREAT SITE
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On 7/2/2007
r0nard
wrote in from
United States
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Hey guys sry if i hadnt replyd in so long. ive ben in newyork for a couple months while i was up there my fider flex deck was ran over, so that was a big bummer. well for a question ok my friend in new york told me of this great site (http://www.chicagolongboards.com/models_options.htm) so i checked it out and i found amazing drop decks and other great long board decks that they created. so i was wondering do u guys think i should buy a drop deck from here?
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Rubber
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On 6/23/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
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P Ashley, it's those Bazookas that're the rubber-but-replaceable-tire wheel I was trying to remember.. Thanks on that.
One of the Slalomers here in New England brought his Carveboard along for giggles (not to race on, just cruisin'), and it was cool watching that thing just hunker down and Lean into a carve. I just wish the springs (and maybe steering angles) were more easily adjusted to suit higher speeds. Still, it's pretty manuverable, even predictable, once it's rolling along.
HC, that may be the benchmark 'target' board you'd want to surpass when you go make a better freecarver. Same traction, more speed, truck stiffness/turn rate adjustment, lighter, and less costly.
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bazookaz and big axles
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On 6/23/2007 p ashley
wrote in from
United States
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The shorter rubber tierney can stay in one lane, even on steep runs. The rear slides but still feels carvy because the slide is gentle, controllable and long. the tboard will go 30 mph but you'll want a safe run out or room to carve off speed. the tboard is a bit more complicated to control than a 4 wheel board, but a very fun true alternative with a rewarding learning curve. I used both my short rubber tboard and my loaded vanguard gumballs on a pretty steep run this AM. The vanguard could just keep traction with a quite loose front truck and very gentle rear foot weighting and edge control. I don't much like sliding the gumballs because they make an annoying buzz and greatly chop speed. The rubber tboard goes in and out of slide much more smoothly.
Looks like if you want rubber nowadays you need to go with big axles. Carveboard or perhaps this ground industries board with bazookaz or optional slicks is a good and cheaper alternative? I can't tell if the black bazookas are rubber. I imagine the ride may not be so smooth with the big hubs, but at least the wheel diameter would help.
http://groundindustries.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=GIS&Category_Code=WHEELS
http://groundindustries.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=GIS&Category_Code=DIRTMALL
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xt wheels slick
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On 6/23/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
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the ones I have are gathering dust,
they are a slow and a stiff ride.
last time I rode them was on a landy DH with exkates.
they still slip on steeper slopes.
I gonna try them out on my sidewinder setup, maybe just two in the rear.
I been wanting to design a setup that can do control slow carves (needs some way to burn off speed) WITHIN the width of a 12 foot lane.
Regular skateboards just can't do that without resorting to check slides or having the rear drift, both sketchy and not 'carvey' at all.
Freebords and Flowlab both seem to have great speed control, but not the ride I am looking for. I don't know if Tierney is a good with speed control, but it just doesn't seem safe, how would you pull a coleman slide?
anyways, the holy grail for me is a setup that is not a slug on mellow hills but can bleed off speed on steeper hills, and can go at least 30mph without getting wobs.
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Rubber might meet the road
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On 6/22/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
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P Ashley, those 'Super Slicks' are pretty much the old '8-Ball' I mentioned. Are they for sale still? The date on that webpage wasn't promising....
There was a dirt-board company showing stuff last year that featured replaceable rubber wheels in the 110mm (or so?) size. These are in concept very similar to the descent wheels Summit marketed a few years back, but with plastic cores instead of metal, and at least the rubber is changeable.
Yak, haven't tried them, looks like old Power-Paw cores (or a copy there-of), could be a bit faster ? Having rubber bonded to Aluminum will yield a fairly harsh ride, but will provide a crisp turn response if Power-Paws were any indication.. Of course, once their worn...
There aren't many rubber wheel kits out there, but the dirt-boarding crowd does have a few. Also, Landy's Grizzly truck, and Gullwing's Wide Pro are available in bigger axle diameters, which can allow you to put 10mm bearings (3/8") onto a skateboard with some options (other than springs for a double-kick Dirtboard) in truck steering, so from there, it's a matter of wheel clearance/size. In any case, if you start putting these types of parts together, be sure to ask silly questions, like 'what bearings?', what size bearings', 'how wide are those wheels?','width at the core?', and 'those truck mount how?'. Pick your deck with equal inquisitiveness, with an eye towards what you want the board to do.
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rubber wheels
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On 6/22/2007 p Ashley
wrote in from
United States
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I was looking at http://www.a2xtreme.com/2000/xtwheels.htm Are there other rubber wheels available? The Yak wheels seem to be unpurchasable.
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XT/Tierney wheels
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On 6/21/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
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Peter, the XT's I'm familiar with are the tractor-tread 'off road' solid rubber wheels. However, Exate made two reasonable rubber wheels awhile back, the 8-Ball, and Smokebomb, both using the core from the M-80, but with bonded rubber on them. The 8-Ball was rounded in it's surface contact, kinda like a big Rubber version of G+S's old RollerBall wheel of the early 80's, and that wheel would roll o.k., and grip pretty well, but was still slower than a 62mm Krypto rollerskate wheel. The SmokeBomb was grippier, as it had a flatter profile (like an M-80 or Flywheel), and it sticks really well, but is Slow, embarrassingly slow on shallow inclines, but shines in steeps and in the wet.
I haven't even grooved mine, though I might to give them better Rain grip.
Tierney's solid rubber wheels are slow-ish, too, but feel faster (maybe cause there's only two per deck?) than SmokeBombs. I actually like running an Urethane front, and a Rubber rear on Tierney's, giving you some speed, but great grip 'deep' in the turn, plus a little 'damp spot' security, nice in early A.M. runs down Condo-access runs! If I recall correctly, you'd need a 3-1/4" axle sticking out from your hanger (like Indy 129's w/ 215 axles!) to get these on a regular skateboard truck. No, I haven't tried that, yet.
In general, solid rubber wheels roll a bit faster than air-filled ones, but suffer in ride quality. Also, grip isn't really adjustable, as it is with air-pressured tires. IMHO, no one has looked very hard at Air-Filled tires made of Urethane with Rubber bonded in the tread, but it could be the Next Big Leap in all-road and wet speed applications. The cost of development is one obstacle, another is the size of the sales niche, a third is the bond between Plastic and synthetic rubber (though that's getting better from both the Tire world, and from shoes). I was kinda hoping BMW would follow up on their 'cruiser' board with some 'thane+rubber Pirellis filled with Nitrogen at 150 Psi, but, I think the Beemer crowd quit Surfing... :-(
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rubber wheels
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On 6/21/2007 peter a
wrote in from
United States
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How do you like the XT wheels? They look a LOT like tierney board wheels. I would imagine that they are slower than carveboard inflated wheels? On a tboard, the rubber wheels grip a bit better but mostly have much friendlier release characteristics. The Tboard bends the wheels up on angles though and uses the sides, so this may not be a straight comparison to wheels kept flat by use of a normal skate truck, in which case they may continue to have better grip than urethane.
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carveboard
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On 6/20/2007 hc
wrote in from
United States
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I been on it couple of times, its a fun ride, kinda want to own one.
the wheels are heavy, slow to accelerate,
don't go too fast, it will wob.
my favorite deep lean board is my sidewinder setup.
have avalons on there, need more grip.
i have some xt rubber wheels lying around
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carveboard grip
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On 6/20/2007 P Ashley
wrote in from
United States
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Looking at some videos, I'd estimate folks are getting about a 45 degree lean angle = ~1g lateral. Looks like there is also slip/drag at this point put it seems significantly better grip than urethane judging from video alone. And as you say rubber usually has more forgiving slip character.
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Carveboard
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On 6/19/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
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Peter, the speed of Carveboards varies quite a bit, due to tire pressure. This also affects grip. Go softer in pressure, and you'll go slower, grip better (as a rule-of-thumb; some exceptions apply, such as parking-garage cement, where the best grip is a fairly high PSi #). They're slower by a good deal than most 65mm + sized 'soft' (under 90A) urethane wheels. But, (except maybe Emotions) uretahane skateboard wheels won't provide predictable grip on wet tarmac, nor go cruise comforatbly over a packed-down dirt road, or cruise serenely over World-Class golfing greens (kidding, sort of) at night. The grip the big ol' rubber wheels yield is pretty impressive, and hands-on-the-road AlpineRace style carves are easily done at moderate speeds.
If you're liking what you see in the newer generation of Luge/DH/Super-G wheels now out, maybe look at Carveboard's little brother, the CarveStik. You can slap most any wheel on those, and they're a LOT lighter trekking back uphill with.
Of course, a Landy Urban with Seismics and Speedvents would be pretty close to that...
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carveboard owners question
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On 6/19/2007 peter ashley
wrote in from
United States
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What level of grip do the carveboard rubber wheels deliver compared to urethane? I have a Loaded with 78a gumballs and estimate I can lean over about 30 degrees for .5-.7 grip before the wheels start buzzing and bleeding off speed. How does the carveboard tires do? Speed is comparable to urathane at 30 PSI?
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san francisco.
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On 6/13/2007
mike
wrote in from
United States
(71.67.nnn.nnn)
I am moving to san francisco july 17th! I pretty sure I'm the only longboarder in northwest Ohio,Or at least feel like it. I will have a longboard when I arrive (new longboard larry 48" kicker) I love larrys boards they have that quality feel. I'm 21 years old and could teach you some longboard tricks. I love longboarding I believe its an addiction. I am going to move to the mission district and if you want to cruise email me. I am easy to get along with also love music Radiohead Flaming lips Modest Mouse Beastie Boys and Beck are just a few of my favs maybe that will help you. Wow I used I a lot in this paragraph... kellerkroger@hotmail.com
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Fibreflex
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On 5/4/2007 Pre-School Rider
wrote in from
United States
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Ronald, Hell, Yeah!!! Fibreflex is a Gordon + Smith deck, made of thin laminates of select hardwood and two layers of Bowtuff (same stuff they use in crossbows!), and that type of deck construction has been around since the early 70's. Some "fibreflex' boards made by other, liscenced companies may have alternate materials, and G+S used that name on other boards using Fiberglass/wood laminate construction recently, as Bowtuff was getting hard to source out, and, well, longboards realy don't Need a fiberglass That stiff.
Fave F.F. decks, IMHO, are Teamriders and Bowlriders, as with a slight kicktail and that snappy flex, most anything is possible! Attila's design, the Response, was made just a few years back, great Slalom deck easily one of the best distance/descent freecarvers made. A rarer one, also a few years old now, would be the "Leemo" G.S./Super-G deck, able to truly Go Fast while carving. Fibreflexes from the 70's/80's tend to be skinnier, flexier, too. Nonetheless, they're great boards for cruising on, as they Carve/Pump on most any ol' hill, as long as you've got loose, turny trucks and soft, sticky wheels on them!!
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edit
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On 5/4/2007
Ronald
wrote in from
United States
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edit on the question, i actualy want to now were i can find the same type of board(is it alright if i would post a picture of it?)
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found a great board
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On 5/4/2007
Ronald
wrote in from
United States
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a just wanted to drop by and say i found this great old school board. it was recently given to me as a present, my friends said it belonged to his father and it was atleast 30 years old. well all im tryn to say is i found this board and the brand name is nothing ive ever heard of,its caled fiberflex. have u guys ever heard of this brand befor??
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wheels on sidewinder.
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On 5/2/2007 SOLEH.
wrote in from
United States
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for the guys that have sidewinders, if you guys like to mostly do really sharp carves, id take off them sector9 wheels and put on some abec 11 retro zigzags.
trust me, theyll do so much better than the other wheels.
shoots. i hoped i helped.
mahalos.
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Drops for carvin'
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On 4/24/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
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Ronald, there's a few drops worth looking at; Landyatchz' Haida is way up on list, as it has flex, camber, KT, and good wheel-well cutouts; Landy's Urban Assault is still a great stick, despite the too-narrow tail and too-steep bends (not a 'drop', but a 'lowboy') that may require you to pick either careful negative wedging, or DH-stable trucks to make it 'flow'; Subsonic has a few, I'm liking the look of the Lowland drop-thru, as it can be had with glass, and more than one wood type (nice shape,too). Others to consider are ABEC 11, Kebbek (great sticks, nice concaves!), and Wefunk. There are others, too, but these are all companies I trust (well, I've seen Wefunk Slalom's be too fragile, but..), as they're geared towards fast skaters, and run by skaters.
Drops are usually for DH racing, built for stability, not carving. However, the two big issues here are concave and wheelbase. Long wheelbases make for great speed/stability/drifting. Concave helps control the turns at the limit, and adds stiffness to the deck (well, and Too much hurts MY feet, hence no LY Evo for me). Those are things to look at fairly closely in pick a board you'll be racking up downhill mileage on, as the size of turn (wheelbase) and the leverage/comfort/stiffness you'll have will decide just how well you carve over the long haul.
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go long or go drop deck
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On 4/24/2007
Ronald
wrote in from
United States
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i was lookn around this morning on a couple of sites and ive noticed that drop decks arent common. i was wondering how can i get a hold of an outstanding drop deck or should i just go with a regular longboard. o thnx PSR and nic your guidance really helped me in my choice for trucks
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U.N.C.L.E.
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On 4/20/2007 PSR
wrote in from
United States
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Nic, thanks for the props. I do try to put in stuff that's useful, I guess because I'm a coach, and 'cause back-in-the-day, Vermont was damn far away from the skate scene, kinda lonely even, but not a place where you could ask stuff like how to best adjust your trucks or even find a good skatespot to sesh at. Info like that was richer than Gold. So, I pass on what I know. This is free, whereas my Snowboard Coaching rates are $50/Hr or more. Why would I do the posting info for free? Because I was once one of those epicurious souls wanting to better my skating, but I had few people around I could ask. Here, I can ask, and get pretty profound answers. Here, I can also pass on more than 3 decades of skateboarding 'stuff' I've discovered, and that might help out the next generation of skaters.
Skateboarding is one of mankind's most individualistic and freeform types of physical motion art and expressionism. It deserves better than to be 'outlawed' by bureaucrats, and should be allowed the freedom to morph itself without the hierachy of static sports rules.
Hmm, maybe I'm a Professor of The Arts after all?! :-D
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