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preventing rearend slip outs
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On 9/29/2006 nic
wrote in from
United States
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i have a home made lexan plastic bannana board thats 23" by like 5.5" its got a slight camber the trucks are some regular street deck trucks that are propably 7" at the most i replaced the stock bushings with some 88a doh dohs and some 72mm 75a sector 9 wheels well when i try to pump really hard the rear end tends to feel "light" or like its about to slip out and thats happend 2 all ready and both time ive hit my head hard so id like to know what im doing wrong so i can fix it
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Trucks for Pumping
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On 9/28/2006
lonerider
wrote in from
United States
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Sean you can scroll down for a very recent discussion on trucks. James Peters also has an amazing pumping gear FAQ here. From James most recent update, Bennet Vectors 4.3 sound like a great affordable option ($27 at MileHighSkates.com) - you should buy at least 2 khiro wedges for the front truck according to his testing.
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truck
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On 9/28/2006 sean
wrote in from
United States
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does anyone know of good trucks to learn to pump on. im told my trucks are too big. if anyone know of good trucks that arent too expensive. and where to buy them. i live in jersey so there really isnt too much long boardig in the area.
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soft v hard wedge
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On 9/28/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
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Good question, that's a hard wedge + 2 soft shock wedge combo, I normally run like that only if the deck is fairly rigid. I tend to tolerate a little more 'give' if the setup is mainly for trail riding rather than a twitchier slalom course config. This one's a stiff camber/concave so its an okay match. But if its a flexier deck, a soft flat shock pad and hard wedge risers feel best. With this particular deck I'd have liked more hard wedges but actually I just...ran out...more money to Khiro Bob!!
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splits trackers bennetts CX ldp mermaid etc etc
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On 9/28/2006
Adam
wrote in from
United States
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JP, How much baseplate movement do you think you get with that huge stack of soft risers? Maybe the amount is trivial but I've always opted for hard risers when stacking high, coupled with a flat 1/8" soft riser for shock absorption.
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splits trackers bennetts CX ldp mermaid etc etc
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On 9/27/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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hey Lonerider, I just posted up some new blabla on splits, trackers, bennetts, CXs etc... and the latest LDP decks! HERE, and Hmmm... info@roeslalom.com should be working... I'll get a hold of Gareth for ya! Steve represents only Insect, so Gareth's the go-to guy for Roe LDP decks!
By the way, finding some new lovin' with the Bennett Vectors wedged like we wedge our slalom setups -- these things TURN and surf like crazy. I'm running the original Bennett rubber bushings in the back truck and just testing out white Khiros in the front.
Munchh that deck and Grip Tape job ROCKS! Dig the flow of that "S" turn...
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Roe LDP
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On 9/27/2006
lonerider
wrote in from
United States
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Ah... nevermind about the Splits. Ok, I'm going with Carvers then. I've sent two emails to info@roeslalom.com to order a Roe LDP Shape#2, but haven't gotten any reply. Anyone else know a better way to get in contact with Gareth or Steve?
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Crossfire 28 pump extravaganavaganaza
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On 9/27/2006 Kris
wrote in from
United States
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I'm breaking all the rules!!! I just took the lil' 28" Crossfire on a 4 mile pump sesh. So cool. It's really a little rocket. Lower top speed than my LDP/CarverCX/Avila set-up, of course, but GREAT quick acceleration. I jammed it around the perimeter of the (CA) state Capitol building for kicks. This baby may never see cones, but it will see plenty of mad pumps around Sacramento. Really fun. Worth the the hammered thumb it took to switch out the kingpins. I've gotta find a better way of doing that.
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Splits
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On 9/25/2006 toddc
wrote in from
United States
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are NOTHING Like trackers of any sort. They are probably the antithesis of them. Standard vs (randall). Split axle vs. solid axle. oops...just saw "Peters" covers it well.
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Splits vs RTX/RTS for LDP
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On 9/25/2006
lonerider
wrote in from
United States
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James, from you Carver CX vs Splits post, it sounded like you cite the Split axle specifically as beneficial for LDP. Can you elaborate, I was wondering if you thought the standard RTX/RTS 106 would have similar pumping capability, minus the precision and the better traction of the high-end splitfires. Thanks - I just emailed Roe about getting a LDP #2 shape.
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Munchhs board
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On 9/25/2006 Mr. Lääng
wrote in from
Germany
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Wow, this board is really beautifull. Great work!!
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been busy
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On 9/24/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Hey y'all,
Thought i'd stick my head in as its been a while.
Have been working nights which is not good i've now decided if you have a young family and getting married (yes i know i sort of had the family and getting married round the wrong way, but i did the right thing in the end?) oh and there is another little munchh on the way!
Anyway, my skumping was sort of shelved because of time really, i'm doing slalom every friday and wanted to get as much in so i could enter at least one race before the end of the season, but i messed with my setup before the race and learnt my lesson very quickly, think i was in the last 5!!
Hey James have you had a go of the RTX/RTS for LDP yet, i cant get enough of them, i'm using them for slalom, but got a second pair for my 36" deck, its great for pumping. I'm thinking of cutting down a randal downhill hanger to about a 100mm, sort of poor man splitfire, i hear it could be a nice pump truck?? Any thoughts?
I've been messing with alot of 70's stuff lately, this is my 24" based on a Larry Bertlemann twin fin surfboard, its great to pump through the Cyber slalom coarse and just real fun to always have in the car. I finaly found the right deck for the pair of midtracks ive been fighting with!
Good to see you and new faces keeping the skump alive, I'm now out for a bit longer as a fall has done something nasty to my ankle, so more skate envy for me.
Munchh
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back there
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On 9/21/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
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I haven't been having slippage problems. In fact, the rear holds better now in bumps, etc- rather than hopping out, the shock is absorbed. The rear is dewedged- not sure of the angle, but I'm using two hard Khrio angled pads. Plus there is another 1/2" riser and a thin shock pad. So, no wheelbite whatsoever, with Avilas. Maybe my rear truck was super tight before, and now it's just where it should be. Either way, this rig is rockin'.
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loose rear truck
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On 9/21/2006 Derik
wrote in from
Germany
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A loose rear truck will slip out easier, because it will oversteer. You can dewedge it, so it will still move soft, but with less steering. The more you dewedge, the more wheelbite you will get, so have some risers at hand.
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loosening the rear truck
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On 9/21/2006
tarin
wrote in from
Denmark
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kris,
dont the wheels slip out more when the rear truck is loose? i had them loose before and it didnt work so well for me. i was also getting more bite because the board would dip lower on pumps. how big are your wheels and how high up is your deck off your trucks?
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speed vents
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On 9/21/2006
tarin
wrote in from
Denmark
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a friend just posted me some red seismic speed vents from the states. holy moly. the traction, the momentum, the acceleration, the ability to go straight up a kerb. these wheels have it all! the only downside is i've had to bump my risers up another quarter inch (now i'm sitting on 1 1/4"), and i cant get down and pull my board into a sharp backside turn anymore (for the risk of wheelbite), but the trade-off is worth it. and this problem will be solved when i get some more risers, from germany or the uk or the states or something.
these wheels are great, they're exactly what ive been missing.
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bushings in rt-s/x
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On 9/20/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
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When using Khiro bushings in tracker rts/x trucks, what shape bushings do you use? (the cylindrical ones, cones, one of each, one cylinder and two cones, etc). I notice the stock bushings have one that is hourglass shape. are the stock babies any good? school me, please.
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from the new to the new
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On 9/20/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
(71.133.nnn.nnn)
as a new ldp'r, i'd like to offer the following bit of insight to other new folks:
don't neglect to experiment with the tightness/looseness of the REAR truck.
There is a lot of good talk/advice about front truck turniness, bushings, etc, but with the rear truck, I had kinda thought that simply keeping the back truck pretty tight was the idea- it would help me with friction, dig and stability. It does, but I just loosened the nut on the rear truck about 2 full turns a few days ago, and a whole new flow has opened up. Waaayyyyy better now- easier, faster, surfier, and more SUSTAINABLE.
i'm sure all you vets are well in tune with both trucks, but i think some of us new folks may not have gotten the message.
just thought i'd share
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Please, Hammer...don't hurt them.
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On 9/20/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
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I've tried light and not-so-light taps with a sledge with no results. even heated the baseplates (has worked for other plates in the past). The old plate might be bent from the accident, but the new one is definitely ok. i think i'll be ok with the stock pins, but a little more room would be smoooooth.
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hammer time
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On 9/20/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Light taps with a hammer? Sounds like the baseplate might be a little bent.
"ANy advice on switching out kingpins on carver cx baseplates?"
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xfire set up, switching king pins
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On 9/18/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
(69.237.nnn.nnn)
Done, done and done. it's amazing how much extra stuff i end up buying to set up a deck. EVerything should be here within a week.
ANy advice on switching out kingpins on carver cx baseplates? Having trouble getting stock one out of new plate. Also, having trouble getting new, longer pin into old baseplate from cx truck that got run over.
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kris's cambrias
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On 9/15/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
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I think the soft cambrias would be perfect for starting out, and they'll always be useful later on when you're getting faster and mostly riding harder wheels, then some gnarly surface calls for a quick change to something soft -- badda bing, they're right there in your (ever-growing) bag o' wheels :-) and nope you shouldn't need to shave em just schlap em on and go GIDDIT
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shaving
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On 9/15/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
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i meant shaving, re Cambrias
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thx etc
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On 9/15/2006 kris
wrote in from
United States
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Thanks for the tips on the x-fire. i see a good deal on 78a Cambrias...I wonder if that might actually be better for my applications? DO Cambrias require having, or are they ready to go?
sean- that is a cool deck. I agree that for pumping, narrower trucks would make a big difference, also a deck with a shorter wheelbase would be ideal. But with that said, I have a 56" deck with Indy 215s that I pump around. But it's more of a pump/kick kind of cruise, combining both. Also, I was pumping a 48" maple deck with no camber, on medium width Gullwing trucks (not sure of the exact width). It was not ideal, but that's how I learned to pump around for miles at a time...
I think having slalom-type wheels with more contact area will also help you get more traction. Krypto CLassics are great fast wheels for kicking into a slide, etc. (I like em for parking garages), but have kind of a narrow contact area to really dig in a good pump. My opinion anyway.
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roe X-fire
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On 9/15/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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kris thats a great deck, my xfire looks a bit swiss-cheesy because I've drilled it for everything from tight to GS!! great tips from sc. to take the guesswork out of the wedging angle, I typically put 2 of these angled risers (actually listed as "shock pads" because they're soft) on both front and back, works great to make the trackers really turny in front and stable in back. better yet, pick up one of the Khiro wedge kits, then you'd have the sharp angles but in a hard plastic, could combine one soft wedge with one hard one if you wanted to.
sean thats a great deck, though you might find those 10" trucks pretty wide for learning to pump. great for carving and big power pumps down mellow slopes, but i'd set up a shorter one with narrower trucks as well if you can!
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How to Pump