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skogging
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On 12/17/2004 Neil
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Oh so thats skogging, not sure about pushing with my left foot though. I can see road rash ahead
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Skogging along, singin' a song
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On 12/17/2004
PaulW
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Surely you mean "Skogging™ ©2004 CYandall International All Rights Reserved"?
As I understand it. Skogging is the name given to alternate leg pushing. So you push a couple of times with one leg, then push a couple with the other -rinse and repeat for hundreds of miles. Best tried at low speeds on a really long, wide and inflexible board. Or better still, not tried at all! Catch a bus if it's that far away!
Okay. I'm kidding.
Chris Yandall has a video cap on his site showing some skogging if you're interested. Google for Chris Yandall and I'm sure you'll find it.
P.
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Skogging
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On 12/17/2004 Neil
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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What is skogging, i know what pumping is but this is the first time i have heard of skogging
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Flex & Skoggin'?
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On 12/15/2004
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
I'm predominantly a right-pushin' standard stance rider, and I've been this way since 1974. Recently, I've been working on getting my balance and rythym on my left-foot mongo push. I've done this on a number of my decks, and I've found one thing that remains consistent...
Flex is NOT my friend with my alternate push foot. My right leg and right foot have enough to worry about without having the board bend beneath it. A stiffer, flatter...and a little bit narrow, like Chris Y's deck...seems to work best for me. YMMV.
Now I just have to find a way to keep my left foot push from slowing me down instead of speeding up.
-=S=-
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On 12/15/2004 tom in toronto
wrote in from
Canada
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Hey Chris Y
Just watched your video of pumping your deck...thats exactly what i've been doing on my 36" homemade flexdeck...but your deck-is it flexy? anyway , keep it rollin'
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Road Pumping Warriors
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On 12/7/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(63.196.nnn.nnn)
As long as the roads are nice and smooth and free of the dreaded wheel-lock-rocks(if you've skated a lot, you know what I'm talking about, it's like surfing and getting pitched over the falls).
I dont like being on the same road with cars. Too many freaks out on the road. So I skogged yesterday and will skip today because of too much work but will hit the skate rinks tonight for some shake-your-booTAY stuff.
Pump Your Deck!
Chris Yandall
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Pumping to work
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On 12/5/2004 Bugs
wrote in from
Japan
(202.32.nnn.nnn)
I sometimes skate to work, pumping all the way. It's 5 km (just over 3 miles), almost completely flat, and I've worked up a real sweat by the time I get there.
It's a real workout.
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wot's wot in pumping?
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On 12/4/2004
tom in toronto
wrote in from
Canada
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Yo...love that skogging footwork...crazy... never seen that, gonna try it!
Checkin in from canada to say an envious hello to you Cali skaters...it rains here every other day and gettin cold...oh well summer comes eventually...
Love to know all about v-lam technology and pumping...who's riding what? What boards are best for a 210 pounder who wants to pump all the way to work? Is that remotely practical or just a fun way to ride? I can "pump" a bit on the shortboards but i really wanna see how fast i can go with a great-pumping deck.
any help greatly appreciated!
-tom in toronto
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.... wide trucks and skoggin / pumpin
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On 12/4/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
With the proper technique, I've been able to skog for years with a few foot-to-truck mishaps but both times, I was able to react quick enough to avoid disaster. As long as your technique is clean and you are aware that a bad step could occur anytime, it's not entirely out of the question to counter it.
I'm using 7"(inner wheel base) originals on my 38" special.
As for geting times who's the fastest in the world... I'm trying to work out a deal with the mission beach city officials to permit a contest on a choice boarwalk area. Wish me luck!
Chris Yandall
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Wide Trucks and Skogging
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On 12/3/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(168.253.nnn.nnn)
Hennessy's in PB, is a great start for an early morning skog for me. Formerly Tugs Tavern from the early 70's where my PB clan frequented on Thursday evenings for a .99 special. 3 rolled taquitos and a plate of beans and lettuce. oMg. After a full day of surfing, it was a great nourishment investment. OTH, it was a reat place to park prior to going for a nice longboard run.
Thanks for the kudo's on my video's and contributions to what I think is a monumental stride for skateboarding. Being able to get good clean exercise on your board in any fashion is a plus when you think of all the conventialal boring ways like jogging, biking, blading etc. And downhill is spendid exercise too especially when you walk back up. Riding vert is great exercise too but let's face it... the transition on your joints can take it's toll. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure I'll be riding vert into my 70's but it will only be because I do the basic skogging/pumping exercise. and I'm keen on this device that adds to my quiver of fun for life.
Dudes, I can't express to you how cool it is for my personal health happiness by maximizing my heart rate everyday through skogging. Of course hitting a halfpipe and rocking back and forth with just fakees is a splendid discipline too but with skogging you can get scenery, a hike thru the beach area... and for me, a business cruise marketing my web biz in Pacific Beach and Mission Beach. Yea, I visit clients and potential clients on my skateboard. :D
At 50, still skating and seeing most pro's back from my era limping along and it's somewhat amusing. Many won't even get on a board. Skateboarding is forever for me. I want one in my casket :D They are all singing the "the older I get, the better I was tune". (with exceptions like Cliff Coleman e.g.)
And the technology today keeps getting better for boards, trucks and wheels. For me, a simple 34-38" 7-ply stiff flex cambered/concave drop-shaped deck with a 8.5" to 9.5" width variant is great for me. I keep seeing all these gimmick looking stuff coming out. wheelwells, cutaways and dropped level decks. YUK.
For this old man... :D .... I said what I like and that's that! I'm using trackers, originals, seismics and randal's . for me, the turning action of originals for pumping and skogging the flats rocks for me.
hugs from san diego to all.
Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho
Chris Yandall
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Thanks Steve
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On 12/1/2004 andrew
wrote in from
United States
(67.161.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the follow up Steve. Feeling renewed after years off, i've gotten swept up by fun memories and crazy vintage ebay searches... i sure need more time pumping my boards! Chris' posts with the videos got me hyped again. Now i find meself web crawling searching out great advice written by some very sucessful riders and i thank you all for making these public shares... I've already learned and put to practice several bites of strong practical know-hows
I also feel a bit more comfortable with my narrower trucks, as you're right on the money regarding dreaded wheelbite on a sneaker can end a session real quick.
I just have to try the new generation stuff too, to get feedback for my progress.
Thanks -Drew
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'Drew's new do, The Trap & stuff
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On 11/30/2004
Steve "Trap Daddy" in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
Andrew: Congrats on your CYA deck! Chris Y. has some of those wide-boy Originals on his pumpers/skoggers, but with any wide truck you have to be REAL careful not to plant a foot on or under a rear wheel when pushing or skoggin' or even pumping and nailin' that big toe on that rear wheel. Yup, I've done that.
For me (IMO), I like my wheels to just stick out a tiny bit from the widest point of the deck. For my CYA, I've got it set up with a 135mm German Seismic Front wedged with an original CYA RadPad Wedge, a custom Geezer-X 135mm SureGrip Offset Rear (LOVE it!) mounted flat, and 3dm Avilas, 84a front/80 or 76a Rear. I've got a big roll of Nasty Grip (50 grit tape, 9" wide, any length), see BST for more info. I haven't yet, but Gumballs on the same set up would work awesome, too.
Chris Y: YUP...I agree. I wasn't too keen on using a 44' trap due to the inconsitencies (and inherent inaccuracies) with timing. I'm MUCH more sold on the 88' or 176' trap distances as well, and I agree that the milliseconds that you may get lucky enough to gain on the shorter trap do not surpass the value of being able to "hold" your top speed for that 1.5 (44'), 3.0 (88') or 6.0 (176') seconds.
Which, BTW, is an even 20.00 MPH!!!
Eric (SS): C & C's ideas were not shot down...not in the least! The Trap forum was set up to accommodate three different trap distances...and I have repeatedly said I prefer either the 88' or 176' versions. Times and MPH are easy enough to calculate over such short of a distance,. What shows on The Trap are Speeds so that someone running a different length trap can compete against the other lenghts...that's all. If there were just one Trap distance, we could post both raw times as well as MPH.
Part of this is my fault in that I instructed Adam to include the 44' trap...how was I supposed to know that the only four (to date) posted riders on the forum would run the shorter distance? The Trap is now and always will be a measure of one's maximum speed, and will continue to develop and evolve into something we can all enjoy. It may not catch on until it warms up again...so be it. If I did ask him (webmaster Adam) to remove the 44' trap distance, I'd be insistant on allowing the 44' trap times to stand that have already been submitted.
The other reason this hasn't been the event it could be is lack of promotion & participation...due to my absence. I have not promoted it in the least, as my personal situation makes it very difficult right now (I'm expecting my first born in late February 2005, and my job has me out of town 3-4 days a week). I know...WHAAAH.
I'll try to be here more often, and to put down some Trap times. I expect to see some times for you guys there, too! You can't complain about it if you're not willing to mark off the course and find a way to get a fast, accurate time.
-=S=-
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newbie reports
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On 11/28/2004 Andrew Lunsford
wrote in from
United States
(67.161.nnn.nnn)
Hello again,
Well my autotech tests for work are over now and so and i've had 4 days of pump sessions in last two weeks, thought i'd share some 46 year old newbie experiences with my setups and trials.
I'm still using and enjoying Chris' Tracker CYandall 33.75 x 9 concave stiffflex-camber board with approx 24.5" wheelbase. I covered it with clear grip tape, really just to show off a fun sticker underneath, but it ends up being a bit of a soft grit so i'll end up cutting out two sections for some sturdier jessup tape where my feet set. I started out with high hopes on a great slalom Turner TTC hanger-tracker RTX base, with "blue med bushings" ...the duros unknown, in the rear and put a wedged old tall tippy front truck, a Track Force oldie from the 70s i found cheap on ebay. Bushed this thing with a marshmallow and red dohdoh (had em laying around) and used my great gumballs in 81a.
This first session went ok fun for my 24 years off returning to the sport but i did tire and pushed it, ended eating it highside when i leaned a bit too far forward and unloaded the rear with a right toe pull wiggle. Beginner unluck, and a scraped up elbow. Needed more than just knee pads, I wear a full set of pads now including crashpad shorts! For grins, i sent Chris a short video of this laughable mistake and my wife was very supportive while taking snaps of me trials.
Next session out i wedged the old front truck and got a little more punch out of the turn, didn't fall either.
For the third and fourth sessions, i laid down some cash and purchased new trucks - Randal RII 180s - and a set of Grippens in 81a to try out, and wedged the front to level the board (camber's a front peak.) Now these trucks really turn! While i did get a bit more fluid and a bit faster on the same concrete walkpath, i still need lots more practice in staying smooth with my arm rock and hip twisting to avoid the slide out pumping at higher speeds.
I fell only once this time, a small sandy section my mistake.
So it will probably be quite a while before i can even consider doing the trap... I've got just shy of 4 hours total now. I'll try a newbie update again (possibly) with some Original trucks and a longer board to try out too.
My first 2 weeks worth of thoughts are that the wide trucks are helpful but practicing a smooth strong swing style and firm rear leg push toe-heel pump as the challenge of real ability to master and increase speed. I have not decided whether or not a longer board and wheelbase would help? Any thoughts are certainly welcome?
Thanks guys -Andrew
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Pumping Your Deck Devices
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On 11/20/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
>>>CYA, please give us more details on the set ups in your quiver pic below.<<<
What size Original trucks are you using? see image above. my board is 9"'s wide. So that size looks good :D
What wheels? same
Size? Durometer? i need to get more vague.
Tell us more about those decks please.
38" x 9" cambered / concave. stiff programmed flex. the one i have in stock is good for 170lbers and up.
What equipment does everyone else like for pumping? ???
What would be fastest for the trap?
176' 44' has been discussed. i like the 176 cuz i went out and did it.. and it felt right. Even with Chaput concurring! He's my hero :D
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Todays Pump Your Deck Session - San Diego
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On 11/20/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
Down at Marina Village by the boats.
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get your video on pumpyourdeck.com
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On 11/20/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
Looking for more pumpin' your deck videos. keep them less than 20MB and send them to samoa92064@yahoo.com I got 2gigs of email storage there :D it would be a labor of love thing.
dudes: get on your deck and pump the heck out of some smoooooth terrain, mix-it up with some nice cranking turns, skog at warp speeds and show the world that this niche of skateboarding rocks too.
formats .mov .mpgs .wmf only please
Dont forget, I'm a big web developer out here in san diego and if you need *any* website related goods, I can fix you up.
now to THE BEACH I GO
cYa
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Pumping your ASS off
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On 11/20/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.101.nnn.nnn)
8 months ago, I weighed in at 243 and I was bummed. Today, I weighed in at 203 ! I'm stoked! I did it all thru pumpin and skoggin. Mixing the two in a 5 mile trip daily along with eating smart stuff, drinking lots of water and doing up a good vitamin spread got me here I am today.
My goal is under 200.
OK, I'm off to skog and pump. I'll be dropping by soulgrind.com where I'll put together my ultimate pumping board and place it on the rack for sale and it to soulgrinds shopping cart. I also add the package on my chrisyandall.com store site too.
Specs are COMIN!
Still debating between 36 - 38" lengths with varying widths bewtween 9 and 9.5"
a QUICK action turning truck like orginals and randalls rock. I'd recommend Seismics but Dan hates me :D . bahh. Seismics rock too!
wheels? gumballs and the seismic yellow wheels which should have my name on it soon :D
Chris Yandall
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Rocky Graziose
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On 11/19/2004 Ted
wrote in from
United States
(24.47.nnn.nnn)
Rocky Graziose places 3rd in Broadway Bomb competition in NYC. Rocky was riding his BINUS BOARDS flatland pumping model, as he clocked in at 30 minutes from 110th street and broadway to battery park. Check out the latest at www.binusboards.com, and place your order today for the limited edition plaid model, the graphic is a plaid pattern, it looks sick
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TTC
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On 11/18/2004 Andrew
wrote in from
United States
(66.124.nnn.nnn)
Hi Dave, yes my bad... hmmm, please excuse my confusion in spelling, ive been studying for tests along with long work days, and get here with only a moment to type... i bought a turner ttc truck off of kenny, and that's what i'll run on the rear. Can't wait for the weekend to finally arrive!
:-)
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Turner TLL ?
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On 11/18/2004 Dave G
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
Still not sure what a TLL is!! TCC maybe?
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Edit my last post
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On 11/18/2004 Andrew
wrote in from
United States
(67.161.nnn.nnn)
edit a Whoops.. i meant to say using a turner TLL 'RTX' tracker on rear in my last post.
I'd also sure like to hear more sucess stories.
Thanks!
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Ultimate Pumper
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On 11/18/2004
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(24.62.nnn.nnn)
I'd like to hear more about the best equipment for pumping.
What decks are best for pumping?
What length, ect?
Camber?
Chris Y. can you tell us more about the 38" deck you mentioned?
I might be interested in that. Details please!
I, like you, have found the Original trucks great for pumping!
I did not really get the feel for pumping untill I got those trucks
and a deck with some nice flex.
CYA, please give us more details on the set ups in your quiver pic below.
What size Original trucks are you using?
What wheels? Size? Durometer?
Tell us more about those decks please.
What equipment does everyone else like for pumping?
What would be fastest for the trap?
Thanks!
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board arrived!
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On 11/17/2004
Andrew
wrote in from
United States
(67.161.nnn.nnn)
Hey Chris, Yes it's here and i'm stoked! Seems to be a perfect concave and width for my feet so far and with a stiff flex on a slight camber, as i'm 6ft and weigh 205. It's not gripped or set up yet of course, but i plan to run gumballs with 75mm 81a on a ? (yet to be determined) in front, and a Turner TLL RTS 127mm. with flat risers at first. i don't know riser thickness needed yet, or bushing comps, but i'll try to report my findings soon. Any feedback is appreciated.
Thanks guys, and hey since i have a lot of miles to get caught up on regarding practice, this newbie will be looking forward to any more posts by those that have beginner type pump hints to add. I'm also a bike rider with quite a few years of riding on my legs. I hope this helps out with stamina and some speed soon too. It's been over 25 years since i really skated hard. (OG signing off to sleep now)
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Pump Boards
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On 11/17/2004
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(63.196.nnn.nnn)
I think the optimum size for me is a 36" x 9.5" for short spurts but for the long run, the new 38"x9" I have really is sweet for my at 205lbs. I have few laying around that I'd unload for 50 bucks. They are brand new and have a stiff flex.
Currently for pumping, I'm finding the fast-action turning trucks like originals to be really sweeet.
Keep on Pumping! www.pumpyourdeck.com ! :D
Hey Andrew, :D I see you signed for the board today. Hope you like it! Cheers!
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ideal pumping setup
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On 11/15/2004
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(69.240.nnn.nnn)
Hey everyone,
I was wondering what you all think of as an ideal pumping setup, or what the closest I could get to with what i have.
My best bet deck wise is probably my comet street slalom 33" (pretty similar in shape and size to yandall's signature board w/ some crazy fibreglass bamboo core stuff)
I also have an old S9 cosmic 1 (pretty similar to above w/ a kicktail, no concave and quite a bit more flex)
Truck wise I have: R2 150s, Indy 169, Thunder Hi (basic street truck but turn real nice), o and 1 R2 baseplate w/ DH hanger on it
I have a great assortment of bushings right now too: Radikals in every color, 1 yellow stim, a set of bones hardcore meds (one of my favs), and then a bunch of stock randal bushings and the stock indy ones.
Wheel wise I will probably go with my grippins in 81a/84a but i've also got a set of 88a No Schoolz in the 65mm flavor.
Bearings, go with the fastest thing i can find i guess: i have some old bones swiss, some newish biltin's (abec 5 i think), and some new reds that are all pretty nice.
What do you think would be the best pumping set up with what i've got?
I see yandall is running originals on his pumping boards, how is the rebound on those puppies (i have yet to try them beyond a little ride down the street)
I was also debating getting a set of seismics (130s or 155s)
Thanks for your help
PS: I'm talking just about flatland pumping here but I still wanna be able to comfortably ride some decent size hills.
Thanks again
julien
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