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deehotches
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On 4/22/2005
sc
wrote in from
United States
(68.4.nnn.nnn)
hey Jack, good to see you back
found another ditch north of the other one with the same steep banks and nasty tranny ... 228th & south, crossing under the freeway
ever skate that one?
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Getting better
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On 4/22/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
Hey Guys,
I'm finally out of the brace and the bones have knitted nicely. I'm learning how to use my arm again. I started feeding myself and driving short distances this week. I'm still out of work on disability. The wife say no skating til I'm working again. I sure miss it.
Peters: I'll post pics of the homebuilt this weekend sometime.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
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Flexi Pumpers
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On 4/16/2005 Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
Hehe...
I miss my KSlater 40in "feet" deck, but I still have my 41" Wingnut with 139mm Axis/Dart combo and HyperRollo 65mm Reds. I've got both trucks mounted flat, and I can pump it pretty good at speed or even a little slower. Loose or soft bushings (especially on the front truck) is the key.
I'd also recommend a mild de-wedging the rear truck. With all of that flex, a real hard pump in the center of the board makes the rear truck that much more squirrely...but keep the front truck flat.
Higher speeds and wider pumps: center of deck in caving-type pumps.
To get up to speed: quicker pumps with the rear foot closer to or right on top of that rear truck.
-=S=-
ps...I got all of my Randal hangers back from G-X, so I'm gonna build up that YaYa 38" next weekend!
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On 4/15/2005
patrick
wrote in from
United States
(69.142.nnn.nnn)
i ride a flexdex 41 and wonder if anyone has experience pumping a fliberglass board and if so throw out some tips
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gesmer on pumping
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On 4/11/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
hey wilson, here's a link to dan gesmer's article on pumping... good place to get started -
http://www.grassrootsslalom.homestead.com/files/html/howto_pump.htm
Also, PSR just posted some great stuff from Gilmour on the 'freecarving' forum.
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On 4/10/2005 Wilson
wrote in from
United States
(24.126.nnn.nnn)
Hello, i just got ino crusin and i want to lean how to pump. i have a flexi pintail and i want to know what are some good pumpin techniques. Steps or intructons would be nice, PLEASE HELP!
Desperatly
Wilson
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www.motionlongboards.com
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On 4/8/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Hi guys,
Just my two cents...Motion is a canadian company making KILLER decks. Glass, v-lam maple and carbon(optional). These boards are super-responsive and carve like you did in that dream you had last night...all alone on a sundrenched mountain road that just kept going, and going, and going...
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wedges to 'build' concave
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On 4/5/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Wedges are a great solution to the whole "shaping-concave into a flat high-tech deck" conundrum. I started using something like the Pocket Pistols wedges for more aggressive pumping -- when it was wet out a few times and trying to pump up an incline, I noticed just how much my toes wanted to slide forward off the nose of the deck! The wedges work.
JACK -- I JUST noticed your 3/1 post about the custom "Panzer" 46" homebuilt retro deck... how's it riding? - would like to see pics of that urban assault longboard!
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Insect GS or cutaway ...
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On 4/5/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
lonerider, I'd agree that Insect & Roe creates a great product for the pumping arena - you might even consider the 'Big Bug' for a scaled-up version of the Dragonfly which opens up some bigger/longer pumping options...
With all-wood decks, the 'memory' of the deck may be shorter as the wood breaks down over time, but they do tend to have a butter-smooth, responsive ride and much easier to work concave into it. I like subsonicskateboards.com for wood, they've always been innovative with increasing attention to performance.
In the end PSR is right that pumping deck talks boil down to experiential likes/dislikes - I've posted mine up on the "GEAR" page of pavedwave.com if you want to look! So many new decks to test out- just keep coming out each year, ain't life great?!
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Loaded for pumping
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On 4/5/2005 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
I agree that Loaded makes pumpable boards, but they're lacking in that 'pop' in thrust when compared with some boards. Oak is 'stretchy' by nature when compared to Maple, Rock Maple, or Hickory (think old wood skis).The Concave is crucial here, as is using vertical laminated hardwood. But, I think Loaded boards are not as efficient in generating thrust as some companies I've mentioned. Deplo, once in the day, had good 'pump' boards out there (I hope they're still around, haven't heard much for awhile)) using just good ol' hardwood in a nice, cambered shape. Summit has it down, but is hard to source stateside, and tends towards 'skinny' shapes. Insect seems to be spot-on, and I can vouch for how well Vlad ran one UP the hill at the G-4 round-about race. He made that hill look flat when Pumped up it, on an Insect. Again, it's a personal descision, one best made by how the feet feel. I'm just trying to describe a few of the characteristics I've noted in board shape and design.
Oh,Concave.. How many 'pumpers' used toeblocks on the front to enhance your thrust on flats? Pocket Pistols has foam wedge kits (highly recommended,btw) to create concave on flat decks. I use the sticky-back toe-risers from Burton/RED (often t-nutted in place,once I know where to park 'em) that would otherwise fit along the toes of snowboard bindings for rider's with large/XL feet. These are 'Nike-Swoosh' shaped high-density foam, about 5/8" high, with 3M stickyback stuff on them, and sell for,um,+-$5 a pair. Once fitted to your deck, they greatly enhance front foot placement and thrust control, without adding a sharp or metallic thingie sticking up off of the board. Use these with the Pocket pistol foam kits, and you can tailor-fit the contours of your ride to your feet. As Claude would say, it gives "many happy pumps".
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On 4/5/2005
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(129.133.nnn.nnn)
I find that Concave is very advantageous on a pumping deck (really give you that extra leverage in the turns which facilitates the gyrating pumping motion)
The loaded pin looks like an awesome board (my bro has the fish and his buddy has the vanguard) and a perfect size for pumping
I personally find the key to pumping to be loose trucks. I think that even the vanguard could be used as a pumping board if you set it up with the right bushings (there's a vid on the loaded site of some guy pumping his vanguard and pushing a stroller down a bike path that looks pretty flat and he's getting some nice speed)
Julien
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Which deck for pumping?
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On 4/5/2005 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
Lonerider, awhile back I had made note of the constructions of various 'flexy' boards, and Insect/Roe (not the same thing,but same people involved) was very much near the top of my list for both quality and choice of materials. The Loaded boards are great, well made, and have great memory in the materials. However, there isn't that 'snap' or quick rebound, that creates good thrust. Mr Yandall has wisely chosen to 'sculpt' camber and concave into 'mere' wood, giving what appears to be a consistent flex that has both good memory, but also decent acceleration. No mean feat,that. Insect, Pumpkin, (old Fibreflexes too!), Indiana, all use Glass and wood and narrow-tailed shapes that bend smoothly into being uncambered, but 'pop' back into their cambered state. This is where pumping speed is generated. Adding Carbon to the board can add 'pop', but can also create a 'dampened' effect where vibration gets nullified. Too much, or placed wrong, and the deck becomes 'damp', not very responsive in returning to shape. Comet's Scramjet might have it figured, but I can't say, as my only ride on one was a purely defensive descent, not a 'pump' session.
So, is all wood good enough? Shaped right, with selected woods that rebound quickly, yes. Is Fiberglass needed? No, but it does help in most cases, especially when applied in the outer skins of the plys. Does Carbon Fiber work well to enhance flex? Yes, if used in moderation, and 'strung' tight enough to add tension, not set 'loose' where it can absorb vibration.
I note all this stuff because there's some cool takes on how to make a board flex well, and how to build a cambered board that carves well. What you pick, in shape, size, make, is in my opinion too personal a choice for me to suggest. You gotta let your feet decide...
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Insect GS or Cutaway vs Loaded Fish or Pintail
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On 4/5/2005
lonerider
wrote in from
United States
(65.249.nnn.nnn)
Hi, I was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the the which board in the list above would be better for pumping. I own a Loaded Vanguard Flex 4 with R2-180s and I really like it for mellow carving on low/medium grade hill. However, I am looking for a board to complement it that I can pump continuously on flat parking lots and such. I've ridden a carbon fiber Insect Dragonfly and a Dragonfly medium built for my friend who is 15 lbs heavier than me any both of those were *stiff* decks... too stiff for me... butI know I can get the board made softer if I ask. So I'm kind of torn... I really like my Loaded board, but at the same time I'm interested in checking out other manufacturers, also interested in seeing what other trucks like Seimics or Trackers are like (the Dragonfly I rode had seismics, but I didn't get a good feel for it). So I wondering if anyone has any of the listed decks as their main pumping board and could comment. Thanks.
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Jack in Aurora
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On 4/3/2005 tom t
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Hey Jack! How's your shoulder, dude? Hope your recovery is coming along well. Thanks too, by the way, for your tips on trucks...gonna get me a set of those originals soon!
Chris Yandall... Love the posse pic. Now sing " Life's been good to me so far..."
Skate on, yo.
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Get well, Jack-o
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On 3/30/2005 Steve-o in Az-o
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
Geez, Jack...can't take you anywhere.
Get well soon 'cuz the warm weather is comin'...and it looks pretty cloudy down there on MB, CY, probably a bit cool. You can tell! :-DB
I'm still wait'n to get my Geezerized Randal hangers back from G so I can set-up my boards again. I've also been trying to keep my wife sane through the crying fits of an infant with AR...bleh.
Back on the P-forum soon enough...everyone take care!
-=S=-
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Jack'ed Wrist ;(
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On 3/25/2005 cYa
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Well I'm getting senile in my old age and skogging/pumping was the call that day.
My buddy does www.MissionBeachGirls.com .
I hooked up with Lynn Kramer. Got her site set up at www.lynnkramer.com . Still gots some work to finish it. She's doiing it herself. wow. She's quite a skater! Best woman downhill skater in the world! But she doesnt know how to skog or pump the deck! I hope to change that :D
I'm hooking up with that crowd. Hope to do some masters division training cuz these guys go way fast and getting into the same planet of skating is way beyond my will to tackle the stuff again. But we'll see what Lynn can do to fire my ass back up on the hill(pumphouse).
cYa
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re: Busy in S.Cal
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On 3/24/2005
jack in aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
cya,
lookin good. are you pumpin or skoggin...;-) no skating for awhile for me. broke right arm at shoulder on 3/5/05 trying to pull a slide. got thrown. hard. when i can ride again i'll be back on the 38.
cheers,
jack in aurora
god rides a longboard.
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Busy in S.Cal
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On 3/24/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
 (courtesty of www.missionbeachgirls.com) :D
Still pumping away! Loving the MB boardwalk and the zoo that tags along.
cYa
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Good pumping board
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On 3/22/2005
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(129.133.nnn.nnn)
Hey all,
I was wondering what people thought of the sector 9 cosmic trylam as a pumping board. To me seems pretty similar in shape and size to the C-YA 38" but also is carbon fiber reinforced (some argue this gives better pump ability and snap)
I amd also building a Roarockit longboard with on of their kits which is like a slightly longer version on the CYA. I got some nice forward placed camber in the deck too.
I'll try running it with real loose Randal 180s and some big soft wheels when I finish pressing it and sand it down
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Seattle PUMPAPALOOZA at Marymoor Velodrome!
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On 3/7/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Long Distance Pump races in August / September 2005! (finding a date between Hood River and Morro...)
It's coming together -- preliminarily OK'd by King County and the Redmond Velodrome Association --
Tentative List of Races / Events:
PUMP DIVISION
- 1/4 mile race
- 1/4 mile 'steeplechase' -- cones on the straightaways
- 1 mile race
- 1 mile, 4-man relay (4x400m)
- 3 mile race
- cyber slalom
- ramp-start tight slalom
PUSH DIVISION
- 1/4 mile, 1 mile, and 3 mile races, pushing, pump, skogging, it's all good!
Other circuit race ideas feel free to drop a line -
pavedwave.com & RoeRacing
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Chris Who? 38" Proto
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On 3/3/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(208.20.nnn.nnn)
Wow! Pressure! I'm going to have to hit the gym now. Do you think they'll mind me practicing pumping on the treadmill and skogging on their indoor track? I think that'd give Bally's some pause. I'm going to find somewhere quiet w/ low traffic and zero onlookers and nail skogging. Laughter is a great de-motivator. Cheery Creek would be a nice ride. Let me know when. Its not the Strand or Mission Beach but it looks like it will do.
My son rode the 38" the other night and really likes it. He likes that it turns where and when he wants it too. After riding the 38" a few times now I have some initial impressions.
Construction/Quality of Materials: ***** Good stuff. Beauty.
Camber/Concave: **** Nice camber and concave. Good flex, holds your feet secure.
Truck mount points: *** Rear multiple mountings would be an added feature.
The Ride: ***** Subjective to your preference in trucks, wheels and use of risers. CY recommends 8" Originals and Abec 11 Gumballs. These give a great ride and are very pumpable. Don't be chintzy on your bearings. Go Bones Swiss or Abec 5 at least. Once you get up your momentum you don't want to bleed it off by using a poor rated bearing. I run Bones Swiss on my CY 34 and Abec 9 Ceramics on the CY 38.
More coming...
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard
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Chris Who?
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On 3/2/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
I'm still skating at 50. Loving vert, downhill and mostly flats!
I live on mostly IT tech msg boards yakking about the mundane aspects of hardware and software configs.
I've been accused of being an all around skater .... an accurate assessment!
Posting here has always been fun. As time goes on, you'll be seeing more of me.
And Jack, thanks for the praise... I'll be in Denver in a few months so by then, no more whining about the cold :D we can hit up the cherry creek res for some prime time skoggin! Come on now! Get it down bro! I'm almost 100 years old! :P
cYa
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On 3/2/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(208.20.nnn.nnn)
Risers - Homemade 1/8" or 3/16" soft (live?) rubber. Angled risers are made by stacking/cementing 2 or more together. Each pad being 1/2" shorter than the pad above it. I don't like rigid risers. Urethane risers are all right. I just like the way the rubber feels (wait... that came out wrong...) It gives the right amount of dampening, like a shock absorber, and yet lets me "feel" the surface of the road. I use flat risers mostly, loosen my front truck a bit and tighten up the rear.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
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snappy flex setups
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On 3/2/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Jack that's a quick sprinting setup! - I like the Flashbacks & Gumballs as well, also been trying the big red Avilas (72a) which are sticky and add some cushion to the ride. Are you using 1/2" risers or angled risers with the Originals? I also tend toward 6" hangars for pump and use the 8" / 10" for carving.
The Insect Dragonfly sounds similar in ride, it probably just has a slightly higher (default) camber, although anything can be adjusted/negotiated!
peters
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Tom T (CY)
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On 3/2/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
I'd say the flex has a snap. I'm 250 so nothing snaps back real fast for me. I can feel the 34" CY come back up under me when I pump and carve it. A lighter rider would probably get a lot of snap out this board. Trucks and wheels, I agree with the man himself, 8" Originals and Abec 11 Gumballs. Randall 2 150's work well, as do 150mm Seismics. Personally, I like a narrower truck for pumping as I believe the energy transfer is more efficient. For the CY its Originalsv and Gumballs.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
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How to Pump