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Jack of all Pains
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On 5/9/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
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dude, you're on a down-swing but stick around, things always get better for your true desires. and yes a coffee sounds good. i'll email ya when i get in town. i use ricochet(wirelass wide area network) here in san diego and it works nicely all over denver. my laptop batteries are ready to rock. you should at least come out to the skatepark and/or ride a bike while I skog. Will your wife let you come out and play? dude! ? ! wheelchair(motorized) :D ?
take some pictures of me skogging/pumping for 100 miles :P
we're all in this for the long run. and the rollercoaster of life varies for all of us. i'm thankful for all the gifts that still get thrown my way with all the rough edges here and there. we just smoooooth things out. y0
true desires shall overcome all!!!
www.cYask8.com
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yeah Steve.
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On 5/9/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(154.20.nnn.nnn)
Hey Steve, nice to 'see' you again. Yeah I sold the wheels to a skater in Edmonton that was doing a lot of speedboarding on the melty winter roads there. He was pretty happy with them and seemed he was fine with going fast enough to enjoy the grip and not be too put off by the slowness.
I found the wheels to be a good experience. I liked the grip, could slide 'em if I had too and the size was right. But it was a tough job to get the bearings out and without being able to service them after riding in the wet I was worried about having a bearing seize up incident.
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Pumpin' Updates from the Desert
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On 5/9/2005
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
CYa: Still not yet built the 38" Proto. I got my 6" (150mm) Originals and even with side-setters, they're too narrow for this plank. I'm gonna run Seismics, Randals, Trackers or some COMBINATION thereof. Wheels will be either Green or shades of grey.
Jack: Take it slow, bro...and nobody knows more what you're goin' through. After my little mishap with "The Bear" in '03 (Fractured skull in 2 places, ugly forearm and bruised (thankfully not broken) tailbone, just about EVERYONE seemed to think I was gonna blow out my quiver and quit skating. Turkeys, everyone of them. Still, I'm not allowed to skate in any organized "Race" without my wife in attendance. She had to fly from Phx to Abq to pick up my body...scared and pi$$ed-off all rolled into one, and I'll NEVER do that to her or my son Race again.
Next time I'm in town, we'll score a meal at Teds. Hope you're not Vegan.
Airin: Did you ever sell those sweet (slow) grippy-as-he11 Viking Rubber wheels you got from me?
Peters: The Fam & me will be at Hoodie on July 9-10. You'll be there, ya?
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hey hey, its you!
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On 5/8/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(154.20.nnn.nnn)
Ah so it is you! Peters! Nice! I found it really inspiring to check out your site. For the first time I actually saw pumping for any reasonable length of time. You guys seem to be having such a good time with this new skateboard sport.
I have been enjoying learning to pump on my five foot board but I can see the attraction to having a range of boards that pump well in one's quiver.
I am working on getting another LBL, 45 inch deck with nice flex, which shall sport my first set of Seismics. I am thinking that this will be my second great cruising and pumping deck.
Have you guys tried the Seismics for pumping?
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seattle groovin and solstice parade
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On 5/8/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
hey airin, watch out for them groove fellas, they're kinda wack ;-) Lately we've downshifted from 5-foot decks to 38"-48", trading off some deep carving speed for better incline pumpiliciousness. But there are decks for all trails, very few absolutes- and a plethora of opinions. I sporadically update www.pavedwave.com if that's the site you were thinkin of.
The bike routes you mentioned will come together on June 19th for The Seattle Solstice skate, a 26-mile event starting in Redmond WA, ending in Fremont where a slightly hedonistic Solstice parade begins, its a blast. (plus, there IS a 13-mile start option.) Hoping to get a few guys up from Portland too. Don't know if you're west or east Canada, but in case you're game, there will be yet another marathon July 31.
...and Luke, it's probably my fault they installed showers in the office :-O
cYa, thx for the vibe - maybe we'll be riding with 3-D sunglasses in the future!?
-- jp
p.s. Jack...in solidarity, I'm gonna have to post a recent lesson learned on the Crashing forum, though it still won't compare to yours. raising a drink to your speedy recovery...
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Still off my game
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On 5/7/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
CYA and all,
I'm not boarding again yet. Its got nothing to do with getting off my ass, the Dr says "No way, not yet." and the old lady says "NO WAY! NOT EVER!" She gets really pissed whenever we talk about it and the in-laws and outlaws all say its time to sell off my quiver and quit. My boss still won't let me come back to work, and I'm feeling pretty grim this evening.
My arm is making a slow comeback and the whole process is starting to piss me off. The movement is coming along slowly and it hurts like hell and really gets me to thinking whenever I can sneak a few minutes on my board. I'm probably in for another 3 months of rehab by my own estimate. In 45 years this is the first time I've ever hurt myself so bad it put my arm completely out of action and I'm scared s#@!less of getting back on a board. 6 weeks of having other people feed me, dress me and do EVERYTHING else for me has been a real wake up call. I don't ever want to have to depend on anybody for my personal needs again. Using the use of your arm(s) is a surefire way to find out exactly how much those who are close to you love you.
Anyway, before I seriously learn how to ride again, I'm buying a full crashsuit from CrashPads.COM and getting some Board Brakes for every board in my quiver. I found out the hard way that I can't slide worth a s#@! anymore and the Dr says don't try it again or the same thing in all probability will happen. When I was a kid it was fun to ignore Dr's advice, now I realize its just stupid. I'm having a hard time getting my stoke back and that may be harder to rehabilitate than my arm.
Thanks for all the positive support that you guys have given me. Friends and family who don't skateboard don't understand why I don't just sell off my quiver and take up a safe passtime. My physical therapist really flips me a lot of s#@!. Its a good thing she's got a nice caboose or I'd get rid of her quick.
CYa, the lesson is going to have to wait for another time. I'll end up in divorce court if my old lady found out I was skating before I got the okay from the Dr. I may end up there anyway. ;-)
Maybe we can get together for a drink or some coffee?
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
God rides a longboard.
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grooving in Seattle?
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On 5/6/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
A while back on SF I read about a couple of guys that were doing their kind of longboard pumping, I think they may have dubbed it 'grooving' or something like that. They were trying to connect some bike routes in the Seattle area?
Can't find their site anymore. Anyone know of these guys?
I was kind of intrigued by the fact that they seemed to be using longer boards than a lot of you who pump from a slalom background.
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jp got style
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On 5/5/2005
cYa
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
boring references repitition that even skogging reduces itself to. but i think mantra's in body movement have medicinal qualities. aint nothing like getting in a rhythm pattern of pumping long distances, your thoughts can turn 3:D !
good to see you are so jazzed to do what seems to be another viable yankee pasttime. the masses are slow to catch on but it's *all* coming. football, basketball etc all have room for stuff like this. snowboarding surfing crosstraining fits right on with pumpin and skoggin. you gottsa love it!
i enjoy this thread. thanks for the stimulation :P
cYa
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Pump commute
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On 5/5/2005
Luke
wrote in from
United States
(128.193.nnn.nnn)
jp--a 12 mile pump commute to work? That sounds pretty insane! I hope they have showers at your work =)
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pump push pusmhp pumshp
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On 5/5/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Hey Cya - don't read too much into it! When I say 'go for the distance' to Jack I only meant to take time recovering, not jump in and get hurt. I dig sprints as well, for me that means tight slalom (which I do for the event of it more than anything) and it also means picking up a sprinting pace when your bro decides he's gonna try to pass you on the trail.
To each their own is exactly right. Note I'm not rippin on one or the other, or calling someone else's gig boring. I even push with both legs sometimes on my standard 12-mile commute just to see how close I can get my "pump-only" commutes up to the same speed.
I've gotten my 65-minute pump-only commute down to about 59 minutes by pushing the tough spots. So with that small a difference in mph I generally prefer the stoke of just staying on the board and working on the efficiencies. Yeah, my preference is to ride distance -- and to balance that out when you're pumping, all you gotta do is switch stance!
cheers - jp
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skogging and pumping technique questions
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On 5/5/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Hey guys thanks for your enthusiastic comments about going the distance.
Right now when I'm skogging I kick regular on the right side and when I switch to the left I kick mongo. I am used to kicking mongo from switching back and forth when kicking back up downhill runs (doing these runs over and over gets a bit boring too Chris!)
So my question is, do you switch back and forth with the left foot on the front of the board and then your right foot on the front of the board or is it ok to go from regular to mongo like I've been doing?
As well, when you go switch pumping, I take it you hit the technique using your less dominant stance? That seems like a good idea for keeping the body balanced. I am going to try that next time I'm out.....later today.
As well, I appreciate the truck suggestions as now I am seriously thinking of trying something other than my Randal 180's and Indy 215's. It is hard to get trucks different from those here in Vancouver, all the same, I am getting to be pumping/skogging convert and will tune my gear in accordingly. Please keep your truck suggestions and comments coming.
Thanks
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Pumping/Skogging
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On 5/5/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(63.196.nnn.nnn)
jp sez: Jack -- great to have you back! Can't wait to see your custom deck. Hope you're up on board again soon, go for the distance, not the sprint ;-)
To each their own exercise. Pumping long distances for me is like making the same snowboarding turn all day.(boring) Excess use of oneside of the body. I like to mix it up with a crossover-pump which came naturally for me after years of skogging. The nice thing about skogging is that it can resemble a bump skiier looking down the fall line and working evenly off both sides of the body for each ripping turn. This provides a nice balanced stance to switch.
Sprints of 4-6 km rock. :-D Even 10 km. But that I guess is too short for some . Bottom line is get your butt up and do it!
Cheers
Chris Yandall
p.s. Jack, get your ass up off the floor! I'm bringing the camera so you'll be in a post here soon.
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long distance pumping's where its at!!
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On 5/4/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
right on airin! whats revolutionized long distance pumping setups recently for me are the new Carver trucks (CXs), on medium-long (38-45") decks with a slight stiff camber -- effortless! Learned a lot pumping 5-foot decks for a few years and finding their unique efficiencies with those deep grooves... (I bought a pallet of Pro60's from Flexdex when they closed shop) -- one definate preference, I would stick to 150s over the 180s. Other trucks that have worked well for L.D.P. are Originals (6" hangar) and Seismics.
Lately I've been riding the shorter composites and really dig the POP out of Insect and Roe decks. That's cool you got some customs...Larry's done some smooth working of camber into 5-foot decks that you don't see on many other decks of that length.
Above all - the best thing is seeing a lot more other like-minded surfers like yourself out on the trails -- a few years ago when pumping like crazy up inclines, people walking by stopped, silently bewildered, figuring out there was no pushing going on -- but now they jump straight into questions for info on how and where to get set up! Educate and emancipate - I think you're gonna see a lot more long distance trail surfers in the years to come...
Jack -- great to have you back! Can't wait to see your custom deck. Hope you're up on board again soon, go for the distance, not the sprint ;-)
jp
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A whole new experience in skating!
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On 5/4/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(154.20.nnn.nnn)
Hey Chris, thanks for your message. I just got back from another awesome sesh of pumping and skogging on my 60 inch cruiser!
The board is set up with R 2's, flipped hangers, and 78a Gumballs. Perhaps not the ideal set up for pumping but the board really rocks when I start to groove into a nice long pump.
In the past I tried to learn to pump on my Landy DH but maybe because of the low rider design....not being able to get over the front truck....whatever, I just couldn't get much happening. The cruiser although longer and with wider trucks than optimal taught me to pump. And now I am so stoked! I love this new aspect of skateboarding! The workout potential is great and the low risk factor of this kind of skating compared to downhill is very attractive. (Geezerettes like me don't have time to waste healing skate injuries!)
I am awaiting a new 45 inch city surfer board that LongBoardLarry is building for me. This board, like the cruiser, will have the appropriate flex for my light weight. Flex was another factor that I think helped me learn how to pump. As you said, even stiff boards can be pumped but for learning the technique I found the flex really helped. It is hard if you are a light rider to find a flexy enough board off the manufacture's shelves. Hence, I am hooked on custom boards and sold on Larry as my builder.
The new board will be set up with split duro Grippins which should kick butt for pumping. I had planned to use a set of Indy 215's on the board as this is a familiar width due to my downhilling experience. But now I am thinking that something more narrow would be more suitable for pumping. You slalom specialists find it so comfortable to be on narrow trucks but for me even 150 Randals seem almost tippy in some situations. So the transition to narrower trucks will likely be a gradual one for me. Any suggestions as to what might work better than the Indy's on this upcoming board? I plan to use the board as a cruiser around town in situations and locations where the 60 inch board would prove to be unweildy.
All in all, I am having a blast with my newly developing skill of pumping and with some skogging thrown in as well. It is as if I am discovering a whole new sport and I am stoked. Can't wait till tomorrow....pumping, cruising, skogging....lets go.......wahoooo!!!!
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Life's been Good So far For Me
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On 5/4/2005
cYa
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Hey Airin,
You can basically pump any board length with varying degress of flex as well as total stiffness. I prefer just under 40" because of the weight and less turning resistance. I would hazard a guess that the further your wheels are apart for turns, the more drag you may encounter after a certain length considering wheel sizes, truck widths etc. But all in all the most fun is certainly finding your sweet spot with any deck that makes you happy.
The disciplined racers thrive on acceleration ad deacceleration thru weighting and unweighting transitioning from turn to turn. It's a mystery how some of these guys can slice thru outrageous turns at high speeds and maintain their poise while being on the near brink of losing their lines.
As for the geriatric crowd, seeing is believeing.
Here's me last year cranking some turns in mission beach. I love that stretch of cement.
i imagine pumping around 10-12 miles per hour is great heart conditioning :D
Enjoy!
Chris Yandall
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Jack and BorAurora
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On 5/4/2005
cYa
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Y0 Jack
I'll be in Denver on the 13th for business, pleasure, family visit and best of all, A-basin!!! I miss that place. You know the wind never blows at A-Basin, it suuuuuuuhhhhhkkkkkkkkssssss!~ and Oh Yea! I owe ya a FREE SKOGGING LESSON.
Looking forward to pumping up a storm too.
cheers
Chris Yandall
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pumping/skogging/ cruising geezergal
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On 5/3/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Hey fun to read this forum! I started downhill carving a couple of years ago at the age of 48. It has been fun to carve my Landy DH board and to learn to slide so that I could reliably stop when needed.
Then, a few months ago I discovered cruising and skogging when I implusively grabbed up a pintail board while on my way to walk the dog. What fun he and I had. When the pace was too fast for the little 11 lb Spitz I would scoop him up and we off we would whiz. During our slower stretches I started to experiment with pumping. To my delight and surprise I was able to propell myself forward on my 48 inch board.
Next I had LongboardLarry make me a 60 inch cruising board and to my further surprise this board was pumpable as well. I have to feel my way into the 'groove' with this big boy but when I find it the cruiser just seems to want to go on forever.
When I think about the technique I use I'm not sure I am weighting and unweighting and gryrating but whatever I am doing it is working to keep me moving!
So on the eve on my 50th birthday I am finding a new love in flatland skateboarding. Cruising, skogging, pumping, gliding....its all a hill of fun and without the danger and risk associated with speedboarding and high speed carving.
Good to meet you all here on this forum.
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RE: deehotches
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On 5/1/2005
Jacj in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
SC,
Never skated that one... Trying to picture where that would pass under the 110... That would be N of Sepulveda... Nope that's new one on me and I grew up in the area and thought I knew them all. Good find.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
Peters,
As soon as I figure out this new fangled digital camera I'll upload those pics you want to see.
J in A
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Welcome back Jack
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On 4/30/2005 tomt
wrote in from
Canada
(64.228.nnn.nnn)
Hey man, congrats on your convalescence. I rolled my ankle really hard last week and its painful as hell. Can't imagine what you been through. Skate easy, bro.
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Jack
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On 4/22/2005
Tod
wrote in from
United States
(12.148.nnn.nnn)
No cheating!!! Just do what the doc,(and your wife) say and you'll be back in no time!
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deehotches
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On 4/22/2005
sc
wrote in from
United States
(68.4.nnn.nnn)
hey Jack, good to see you back
found another ditch north of the other one with the same steep banks and nasty tranny ... 228th & south, crossing under the freeway
ever skate that one?
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Getting better
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On 4/22/2005
Jack in Aurora
wrote in from
United States
(207.69.nnn.nnn)
Hey Guys,
I'm finally out of the brace and the bones have knitted nicely. I'm learning how to use my arm again. I started feeding myself and driving short distances this week. I'm still out of work on disability. The wife say no skating til I'm working again. I sure miss it.
Peters: I'll post pics of the homebuilt this weekend sometime.
Cheers,
Jack in Aurora
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Flexi Pumpers
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On 4/16/2005 Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
Hehe...
I miss my KSlater 40in "feet" deck, but I still have my 41" Wingnut with 139mm Axis/Dart combo and HyperRollo 65mm Reds. I've got both trucks mounted flat, and I can pump it pretty good at speed or even a little slower. Loose or soft bushings (especially on the front truck) is the key.
I'd also recommend a mild de-wedging the rear truck. With all of that flex, a real hard pump in the center of the board makes the rear truck that much more squirrely...but keep the front truck flat.
Higher speeds and wider pumps: center of deck in caving-type pumps.
To get up to speed: quicker pumps with the rear foot closer to or right on top of that rear truck.
-=S=-
ps...I got all of my Randal hangers back from G-X, so I'm gonna build up that YaYa 38" next weekend!
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board type
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On 4/15/2005
patrick
wrote in from
United States
(69.142.nnn.nnn)
i ride a flexdex 41 and wonder if anyone has experience pumping a fliberglass board and if so throw out some tips
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gesmer on pumping
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On 4/11/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
hey wilson, here's a link to dan gesmer's article on pumping... good place to get started -
http://www.grassrootsslalom.homestead.com/files/html/howto_pump.htm
Also, PSR just posted some great stuff from Gilmour on the 'freecarving' forum.
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How to Pump