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monitoring progress
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On 6/3/2005 Many beards
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(80.65.nnn.nnn)
Another newbie question i'm afraid... I've got the jist of how to pump i'm just finding it hard to tell if i'm generating or maintaining speed so if any of you have any tips on how i can monitor progress i'd be very grateful
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Carving the Pump
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On 6/2/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Many years into this thing of generating speed on the flats is a passion. Thanks Steve for pushing this arena of skateboarding. The competition end for me is not the real passion but the feeling of flying like a bird on the cement is compelling proof that the motion is worthy of partaking in.
With the advent of these new boards that promote cranking turns for that sweet arc to perpetuate motion. I'm ALL over it!
WWW.PUMPYOURDECK.COM
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Cross-forums
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On 5/31/2005
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(130.13.nnn.nnn)
For all of you Pump-a-holics:
Don't forget about "The Trap" forum!
Update your FASTEST time through either an 88' or 176' FLAT area.
The 44' area is just too small, and is going to be PHASED OUT.
The Trap is pure speed by ANY means...Push, Pull, Tug, Tow, Pump or Fart.
There are and will be other contests for pure pumping, but only The Trap will answer the question, "How fast can you get that thing goin' under your own power?"
I'm making my first run at it on my 38" Yaya once I get it set-up and gripped. Sorry it's takin' so long, CY...Race just turned 3 mos. old and has his first fever. Bleh.
-=S=-
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Skogging, Gesmer how to article and feet cramps
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On 5/31/2005 vaitus
wrote in from
United States
(24.225.nnn.nnn)
Hola CYA, sorry no video at the moment but I'll try to work on it.
On a different note lately I've been working on my gyrating tecnique using as a reference the famous Gesmer how to article. It's an excellent guide but I feel it should include arm motion as well, I got that from the slalom footage on the Surf/skate/ski movie "Go for it" by Hal Jepsen and it really helps the abdominal/hips part of the gyration.
On the feet cramps I got that sometimes too, imo other than the arch problem it may depend on conditioning and especially on using your legs more than your abs.
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Mem Day warmup for Seattle pump race
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On 5/31/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Nice show yesterday dooders - it's lookin' good for the Seattle Solstice. Looks like Airin's signed up with a friend - that rocks!...be sure to drop a line when you get in and we'll get you all squared away on the race start, etc. It looks like there will be more sign-ups on the 13-mile coming soon.
Highlights of yesterday's 10-miler:
Ken's wicked TannisWatson/Originals/85mm Flywheels carve-a-licious setup
Chad pumpin @ new mach speeds on the Insect
Downhillin' at Cascadia (gotta show this hill to the slalom crowd...)
JP finally nailing the uphill at Cascadia
The poo board
The disappearing Dycus
Derek's no-touch rides up ALL the "TRAIL VERT" -- WHAT NEXT?
If everyone's recouped and the weathers not crap we'll be doing another this coming Sat/Sun.
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caught Flat-Footed
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On 5/31/2005 PSR
wrote in from
United States
(69.161.nnn.nnn)
As someone who has to deal with people's feet (and the whole litany of problems from Feet) all the time, I can vouch for doing this right...
I'm a Snowboard Instructor and Race Coach, have been for 17 years now (been riding 27 years on snowboards), and have seen the impact of how footwear affects rider's performance. In the various duties I've done (Including running rental shops,and being a Tuner)I've worked also in a few Ski shops, and learned how to 'Fit' boots correctly, and over the years have ended up working with a few boots companies as they've developed their products. With that 'short list' of some of my credentials outa the way..
Those that have 'Flat Feet' and incur pain, cramping, or soft-tissue stress from pushing/pumping a skateboard, get 'partial' footbeds(from the heel to forefoot, Not under the toes), ones Molded to Fit YOU. Your feet are flat, then please don't aggravate them by imposing an artificial amount of arch under them. Your customized footbeds should Let your feet stay relatively Flat, but Supported nonetheless. A soft-foam arch, one that 'squishes' might be good support under the impact of pushing a skateboard, but would impede with how the board feels when 'pumping' the board. Using a flat, soft shoe like a Converse makes some sense for just everday skating, but the soft sole will not support the foot in pushing over long distances. You'd want a stiffer shoe, but one that does not have a high-arch footbed inclusive in it's profile. Padding under the toebox is a good thing in general. People who have high arches are either 'on tip-toes' or are vigorously hard on the heel as 'heel strikers'. People with 'flat feet' almost always 'roll through' their stride, putting down a solid heel, but bending the crap outa the foot while walking, doing worse things (bending wise) while running or pushing a skateboard. Hence,the ankles and knees take a share of the load that a normally-arched foot would absorb. Soft shoes only make this pressure distribution worse in althletic endeavors.
If a 'custom' partial footbed is beyond your means, then look for Spenco footbed products. They're made of dual density foam, and come in arch support partial foot beds, heel pads, and 'fitness' or 'workboot' insoles, which usually have a gelatin component added to the foam. They're usually available at better pharamacies. I recommend them over Dr. Scholls simply because of the resilience and quality of the products, but also because they offer partial footbeds, and heel cushions that Are Flat, not curved to 'cup' the heel.
In picking shoes, yeah, buy what fits. But, note whether the shoe's inner sole is removable, maybe bring Your insoles along when trying them out. Look at the 'bend' support the shoes provide, and cushioning as well. Be aware of width sizing as well, as a 'flat foot' needs only a bit of expansion, but usually is already 'spread out' a bit just dealing with daily impact stress. New Balance is a great shoe company in regards to fit and sizing.
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flat feet (cont)
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On 5/31/2005 pg
wrote in from
United States
(198.151.nnn.nnn)
My feet point slightly outwards too. My skating front foot points outward slighty more. When I stand normal it like I am standing on my board. At 41 my legs have started hurting bad after skating. I went to the doctor and they could not find anything wrong. I remember as a kid my doctor told me I might experience leg pains as a adult due to my flat feet. I been told & read many conflicting stories regarding flat feet since. But I do know when I wear my arch supports the pains in my legs are not as bad. Oh well.. I just skate till I can't skate no more...
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Another Flat-footed Pumper
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On 5/31/2005 Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
Count me in the ranks of the Flat Footed Pumpers.
At 40, my knees are also on the way out, and I pronate (my feet are more comfortable pointing a bit 'out' than straight forward. It's for this reason that I'm much more comfortable on a skateboard or snowboard or a bicycle with well-fitted clipless pedals than regular skis or toeclips, which force your feet to face forward while your knees get tortured.
My advice: Try everything and skate more.
-=S=-
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flat feet
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On 5/31/2005 will j
wrote in from
United States
(70.114.nnn.nnn)
flat feet don't affect your balance or much of anything else for that matter, haven't to me, and my doctor when i blew my knees out said they didn't and wouldn't affect me either. i'm as flat-footed as they come and had no problems growing up or now from it. i've been skating for 20years and in school i played about every sport i could: track(long distance), tennis, football, and soccer, even marching band. NEVER had a problem related to my flat feet, and i always wore flat shoes(vans or converse almost exclusively). anytime i would wear an arch support, my feet, shins, and knees would ache.
balance is in your inner ear, not your feet. and 99% of what people say about flat feet is WRONG. most things people attribute to flat feet are old wives tales and are more attributed to bad posture than anything else.
try a good insole with and without arch support and find which works best for you, if neither work, see a pediatrist, you may have a problem other than in your arch.
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pain in the arch
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On 5/31/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Try switching stance regular to goofy or vice versa, and pumping the other way -- it's like learning to pump all over again! For some people it might even come natural.
If you need arches I'd put them in a flat shoe, the flat sole lets you crank and pump the deck more efficiently. Other things...depending on asphalt condition, a softer durometer wheel helps for extended rides, anywhere past 2-3 miles. Also keeping your feet just behind the front truck, if it tends to slide up on top of the trucks' bolts where the vibration will lead to either a numb or pained foot when you step off.
If you're anywhere near WA state would be great to have you join the Solstice race... we're longboarding either 13 or 26 miles, and will try to pump as much of it as possible!
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flat feet
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On 5/31/2005 pmg
wrote in from
United States
(198.151.nnn.nnn)
I have tried to skate w/o any arch supports too. wearing my original vans.
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no arch/ouch - flat feet
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On 5/31/2005 pg
wrote in from
United States
(198.151.nnn.nnn)
I do wear arch supports since I have flat feet. I have always thought my flat feet maybe part of my problem. Maybe better/stronger arch supports are needed.
btw... how far can most people pump? 1 1/2 miles with little change in grade is what I can handle at the moment.
on a related subject.. I was always told flat feet can affect ones balance. I think this becomes evident when I foot brake. I have a hard time foot breaking with my heal contacting the pavement 1st. I know this is the safest way to foot break, but I am more comfortable letting my toes come in contact 1st. At higer speeds foot breaking for me a very scarey experience. Any other flat foot skaters out here?
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On 5/31/2005 will j
wrote in from
United States
(70.114.nnn.nnn)
i find that for me it is the opposite, i'm flat-footed and anytime i skate in a shoe that has an arch support my feet hurt like that. i have to search for older model vans b/c the new ones have too much arch for me.
if your shoes have arch supports, try some without.
if your shoes are flat, try some support.
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arch/ouch
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On 5/31/2005 toddc
wrote in from
United States
(198.39.nnn.nnn)
I find that this happens if I havenot been skating for a few months. After a few sessions, it always goes away for me. Make sure your shoes have good arch supports - buy them and add them to cheapie sneakers like vans or converse. The pain is probably from your foot flattening out as it supports your weight.
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feet cramps
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On 5/31/2005 pg
wrote in from
United States
(198.151.nnn.nnn)
I've been trying to pump for long distances to help improve my slalom skating and my skating stamina. After a mile or so the arch of my feet start cramping up bad. After I get off my board my feet ache so bad I can barely walk. Does this happen to anyone else? Is there something I can do to help prevent this?
tia,
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Skoggin is natural and I promote for ...
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On 5/29/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
those not as futuristic.
Got Video?
SHARE!
or send them to me and I'll post it. I prefer .mov 's
MACs rule!
cYa
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I'm a skogger...
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On 5/27/2005 vaitus
wrote in from
United States
(216.166.nnn.nnn)
..and I didn't know it.
Never read CYA's page until today. Skogging came natural after learning crosstepping. Even though I'm not into skogging marathons (skoggathons?) I like it for uphills and for quick bursts of speed.
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missing washpark pic
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On 5/19/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
I RTFM'ed :D
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Pump Trucks
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On 5/17/2005 Harry Tobin
wrote in from
United States
(66.116.nnn.nnn)
I prefer the Siesmics for every day pumping and Trackers for everyday skating.
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Denver - Washington Park + cYa
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On 5/15/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(65.101.nnn.nnn)
2 splendid days in washington park doing the oval street track. My daughter and her 2 buddies riding some old cYa models.
Thank you Denver~!
Chris Yandall
p.s. Jack ? call the business number if you can. 858 748 6405
SPRING TIME IN ROCKIES!!!
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Seismics
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On 5/13/2005
airin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
I tried my first set of Seismics yesterday. They are the 180's, set up with bright green in front and yellow in the year. I tried them on a 48 inch pintail which is a bit of a stiff board under my feet. The trucks felt a bit stiff as well. Oh don't get me wrong, they pumped better than any truck I have tried so far but they certainly aren't very dancy especially at slower speeds. I must add that I run all my trucks, even those on my speedboards, extremely loose because I like a carvy, surfy feel.
I can see that for certain situations, certain pumping routes, these trucks would be awesome in their efficiency but for a long mellow pumping/cruising skate they would not be my first choice.
Having said that, I will try a lighter, in fact the lightest, spring combo on the Seismics to see if I can get a floppier feel to the deck but still I am thinking that though these trucks may stay in my quiver they are not likely going to be the most popular truck in the collection.
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half-marathon (13 mile) option too!
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On 5/12/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
steve - be cool to see u at Hood this year, should be bringin' the family as well - planning to take the podium as the fastest ... conehead there.
airin - thx for comments on the site! Hoping we get a few more distance riders here in Seattle on June 19th - 13 miler is still an option!
i use seismics mostly for slalom, not much testing yet on the trails. they're great when you push and maintain a fast speed, then pump up to even higher speeds. Very tight, technical return to center. I find Originals are better for back-to-back carves, bit more mellow feel that lends itself to the longer rides. So much depends on deck flex too, so I refrain from being too religious about one setup over another -- until I've tried it anyway! Best thing is just keep buying/testing more trucks and decks, support the industry, support the habit and its a helluva lot cheaper than any form of therapy! ;-) -jp
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Board Carrier : Moped Pumping
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On 5/11/2005 cYa
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
The board carrier is made out of NASA space age rubbber elastic and key hook areas(just two). the board is one of my favorites with just 7ply maple and a bitchin mold from sector 9 .
sector9 owns! too bad they can't fund a simple project of mine. :( they dont need us old folks that helped the sport get where it today.
The skating movement today ROCKS! All of IT! vert, freestyle, downhill and sofa skating!
Chris Yandall
... the board is 38" x 9.? your guess is as good as mine. 7 ply wood . great for beginners and students of the art and a snappy flex for the right truck/wheel config.
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Pumping Eqpt.
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On 5/11/2005
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
...or use at least ONE Seismic, eh? Maybe a Stable turn 180 in back with that 8" OG in front.
The differences in return rates would make for a VERY interesting combination. I may have to try that 6" (150mm spaced to 155) OG on the front of my Bozi GS36 with the 155mm Seismic Stable in back and see what that feels like.
With, of course, 3dm wheels, self-trimmed.
-=S=-
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How to Pump