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Pumping vs Skogging Threads
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On 9/27/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for buying a deck! I've only made a couple of hundred. Not out to make millions with them. Just decided that turning people on to my pumping and skogging is a cool way to share my skateboard heritage.. I'd like to go into great detail about my pursuit of skogging but it aint right here. Could someone push(no pun intended) to get a new "skogging" thread going. The potential of something so simple going mainstream as a "skateboard" additive is HUGE in my estimation. It's perfect since most of the skateboard industry today laughs at this kind of stuff. F*CK 'EM . iT'S HEALTHY EXERCISE, GETTING A GOOD SKOG AND PUMP has its own merits. My videos on my site suck. I got a pro that will do my next set. I'm getting crazier on the skog turning one footed stuff and skogging backwards at times makes it a real treat to see down the Mission Beach boardwalk. My GF rides her blades behind me and shakes her head hearing many people saying, LOOK! THAT'S COOL. HE'S NUTS. LOOK AT HIS TORSO GYRATE AND NOW HE'S SWITCHIN FOOT TO PEDDLE. WTF? OMG? ;D
when they get a skogging thread going, i'll camp out here often :D
cheers mates. keep strokin it and remember, the key to skogging is forward foot placement and body aimed down an imaginary fall line that is your absolute direction of travel. Think body postioned at 12 oclock, slightly leaning forward and matching strokes on both sides getting your arms to comfortably glide. OK. video coming soon. i'm stoked!!! Maintain 15mph for 2 miles and breath deep as you shed pounds and have an exhilarating ...
Click here for link
cYa
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back side
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On 9/25/2005 Ianf
wrote in from
United States
(66.93.nnn.nnn)
thx, I have read the article like a billion times and it helps a TON. I still need advice on my backside turn.
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risers diagram and study vids
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On 9/25/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Ian, recently I've uploaded a link to Gesmer's 1989 pumping article (silverfish recently re-posted it), and list of links to some short pumping clips. Download and watch as many slalom vids as you can (search the slalom forum for "video") - that's relatively low cost study if you have a good connection.
I also put up Chaput's angled-riser diagram toward the bottom of the 'Gear' page which should visually clarify the proper wedging for pumping and carving.
Flipping the Randal baseplates from their standard config, you'll get some weird results. If you eventually want turnier pumping over fast downhill stability, I'd see if someone will swap their 150 hangars for your 180s, the narrower width will be instantly easier to pump. -jp
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I need a bit more
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On 9/25/2005 Ianf
wrote in from
United States
(66.93.nnn.nnn)
thanks for all ur help guys but I still need alittle more. I am starting to get the hang of my front side turn but I cant do a backside for the life of me. also, a little while back I thought a reads somthing about flipping randal trucks around (they are faced outwards right now on mine) so that that work better and also somthing about angled risers
thx
-ian
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pumping a big board
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On 9/20/2005
Julien
wrote in from
United States
(129.133.nnn.nnn)
loosen the trucks (or buy some new bushings, Bones have great rebound) and wiggle rhythmically
check out Chris Yandall's pumpyourdeck.com for some inspiration
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ya...but no
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On 9/20/2005 Ianf
wrote in from
United States
(66.93.nnn.nnn)
that would be great do get another board that would be better for pumping but I dont have that kind of money so i am stuck with my bomber.
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how do you pump?
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On 9/19/2005 Ianf
wrote in from
United States
(66.93.nnn.nnn)
I have been lonboarding for about 6 months, I am not that good and i just learned about pumping. I really really need to learn to do this. can anybody give me any tips or tricks on how to do it? I have a standard sector 9 bomber with randal 180's I think, is that even pumpable?
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Longboard
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On 9/2/2005
Marli
wrote in from
United States
(68.220.nnn.nnn)
Hi,
I just got a LB and cannot get enough of it. However I recently injured my left ankle (I ride goofy). I was wondering if anyone had tips on how to keep the board moving on flat land. I don't have a lot of money for equipment either.
Thanks for the advice!
Marli
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Alex's pumper
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On 8/11/2005 Bugs
wrote in from
Japan
(59.167.nnn.nnn)
A quick way to get a board that will be a good flat-land pumper is to buy a Chicken Dagger complete from Pocket Pistols or Sk8kings. It'll come set up with Trackers, Manx wheels, and with the trucks already wedged and adjusted so it's ready to ride out-of-the-box. I can pump this thing forever on the flat as long as my legs/lungs hold out.
It's pretty similar to the setup that Lonerider is suggesting, but it's all done for you.
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pump-a-holics!
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On 8/8/2005
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the props Gareth! Everyone went home stoked, especially Derek for running all the inclines "clean" and Matt who's parents made a Seattle weekend of it. This year's turnout made a great impact for distance longboarding!
Can't thank the skateboard sponsors enough 'cause that really helped generate more interest this year -- Roe, Insect, GravitySports.com, K2, and t9.com. Working on getting longboards formally on the MS 2006 program, and looking forward to some P-town bros to make the trip up!!
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Alex's New Slalom Board
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On 8/5/2005 lonerider
wrote in from
United States
(65.249.nnn.nnn)
Hi Alex, I was only two when you took your break from skateboarding - but I too had a very long break myself (I crashed into a pickup truck when I was 6 years old while buttboarding and didn't skateboard for nearly another two decades). So I had a Loaded Vanguard 38" and I too just couldn't keep it going for more than about 50 ft... so I went out and bought a Insect Sidewinder 30" (Hybrid Slalom Deck) and set it up with Tracker RTX/RTS truck at 19.5" wheelbase, sanded Radikal Bushings, 7* Tracker Wedges and 81a Grippins. After only 20 mins I was suddenly pumping for EVER... even up slight uphill grades! I highly recommend the Insect Sidewinder (www.insectskateboards.com) which are made by Steve Hopper (who also makes Roe PS slalom boards). The Sidewinder is great for hybrid/gs slalom runs as well... much better than the Bahne Backhill and even some of the Roe models I've tried... you'll probably have a tough time getting the bushings... but everything else you should be able to buy and have shipped to you in the UK. (Seismic give you more energy for pumping, but are a bit "dodgey" for offset slalom courses).
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Alex's momentum
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On 8/5/2005
SinAZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
Welcome to the forum, Alex.
Before you retire that G&S 44" Pintail (which is a sweet deck), there are a few things you can do to keep your speed.
First, be sure to read down a few pages on this forum! There are many, many posts & links that will help.
Second, make sure you're running your trucks on the inner most holes available, shortening up your wheelbase. Run your trucks a little looser, and consider getting a more sensitive pivoting front truck, like an Indy, the Tracker RTX/Axis, or perhaps a Randal or a Seismic. Keep the B2 on the rear.
Finally, you may have to work on a more compact, "power" pump vs. the deeper "carve" pump. The former refers to having your feet much closer, if not right on top of your front & rear truck mounts. Instead of using the flex of the deck for your carve, you literally push & pull your feet across the surface of the deck...much like how you generate speed on roller skates, by using the sideways traction of the wheels to propel you forward.
I'm sure you'll find more in this forum. Be sure to keep us to date on your progress, and check out the UK forum as well!
Cheers. -=S=-
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Maintaining momentum on the flat.
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On 8/5/2005 Alex
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(195.92.nnn.nnn)
Hi out there, great web site . I've recently got back into skateboarding after an absence of roughly 23 years , I basically stopped during the end of the original boom in the uk at the end of 1982 ( I'm nearing the big 40 ) .My question is simply this ,near where I live ( Swansea , South Wales ) we have 5 miles of ultra smooth asphalt running alongside the bay . I currently own a G&S 42" Cutaway / Tracker B2 / 70mm Classic Kryps . I was hoping that this set-up would allow me to "pump" the board along the aforementioned course due to it being completely flat ( but smooth ) . Unfortunately the set-up won't maintain it's momentum and every 30yards or so I'm forced to push it once more . I have tried 80mm Kryps ( a little better ) and most recently 68mm Turner Avalons ( no real difference ). I realise that the set-up is reasonable for downhill carving as it is very responsive/stable and for that reason alone I wouldn't part with it . I would however like to achieve continual momentum as I believe that it is possible , I seem to recall seeing the "Tracker Truck" founder maintaining his momentum whilst slaloming on the flat . I am considering purchasing another dedicated slalom deck as I believe that this will give me the best chance to maintain the momentum that I am after . Could anyone out there suggest a G&S slalom deck that would suit me and would it be suitable to set it up with Tracker RT-X (front) and RT-S (back), I would really appreciate somebody's help as the UK Slalom scene isn't as knowledgable as that of the USA's , thanks in advance.
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pump-a-holics
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On 8/5/2005
derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
right on gareth!
thanks bro- it was a great day for a ride, and very cool to have some boarders out for the gig. james did an awesome job of organizing the skateboarding side of the event. and on top of that, he set a new speed record for the 25 mile course, and raised $1100 bucks for charity. not too shabby...
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Pump-a-holics!!!
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On 8/1/2005 Gareth
wrote in from
United States
(216.210.nnn.nnn)
Big props to James Peters, Derek Munson and the others who tackled the MS-Skate ("Walk and Roll for MS 2005") this weekend on the Burke-Gilman trail here in Seattle. Twenty-five miles on a skateboard in a couple of hours is a long way to go. You really need to see these guys in action, it is amazing. As a slalom skateboarder, pumping on flat ground is hardly a foreign concept. However, the Burke is hardly flat! You don't have to be slalom skater to really appreciate how far these guys can go without putting a foot on the ground! Truly amazing!
"...Munson nailed 25-miles without putting a foot to ground, climbing over the biggest and baddest hills of the Burke -"
And all for a great cause to boot!
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slalom boarding
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On 7/31/2005 manybeards
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(80.65.nnn.nnn)
www.ukssa.net - the 'how to do it' section
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slalom boarding
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On 7/28/2005 joey
wrote in from
France
(82.10.nnn.nnn)
how do you slalom,i just bought a £150.00 set up and i cant figure out all of the stance and how to pump and stuff. cold you give me some god advice
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slalom boarding
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On 7/28/2005 joey
wrote in from
France
(82.10.nnn.nnn)
how do you slalom,i just bought a £150.00 set up and i cant figure out all of the stance and how to pump
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Trucks on Order
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On 7/22/2005
David Campbell
wrote in from
United States
(192.111.nnn.nnn)
Thanks for the advice guys. I did not realize there was a for sale section here, I just ordered a set of Seismics from rocketboards.net. I went with them because they had the best price, total with shipping was 58 a pair.
I understand the thing about bearing placement now, I was reading earlier and was thinking that it was a setup issue. I saw a lot of trucks on the web with all kinds of crazy stuff like axles that spin and all.
I read the pumping how-to and am anxious to try it on the longboard. The only longboard I have ever ridden was a Schmidt Stix Yard stix that belonged to a buddy bitd, I could really haul butt on it tick-tacking and could go uphill well. I have not ever been able to propel a regular board by pumping with both wheels on the ground, and have no idea what it will feel like to ride a board with no tail. It looks like coffin runs are going to be a lot of fun for sure!
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Still talking about trucks
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On 7/22/2005
RJ
wrote in from
United States
(12.19.nnn.nnn)
Steve has a great point about that. The buy sell or trade part of this site is wonderful! I have obtained many wonderful parts, decks, completes, and even plans for the cut out drop deck that i am racing at the present moment. Worst that happens is you dont like somthing, but you can always just sell or trade it, because someonr will like it. Hell i have a buddy that rides on a set of 186 Gullwing trucks and swears by them, wont ride anything else on his boards. (the with varries)
Just get out there and try things. One day you will be on your board and be like "Damn thats it" and there you have it!
Skate on Skaters,
RJ
P.S.
DC, Please keep us poasted on what you do decide. I like to see what other people thik is their perfect set up. and i also have some siesmics that i would sell 170 (45 and 30)
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DC's Truck Queries
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On 7/22/2005 Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
DC,
First of all, it pays to have good hardware. Always at least start with new bearings & mounting bolts.
Secondly, you now have a great source of the latest and greatest equiptment...US! Right here on NCDSA you can get just about EVERYTHING you could want for your first set-up. At any given time, Randals and Seismics are available to buy, sell or trade (check the BST forum). Heck, I even have an extra pair of 180mm Seismics with yellow springs F&R (45* & 30*) I'd sell you for just a tad more than what you'd pay for Randals. Be sure to check over there to see what's up and post what you need.
AFA wheel offset, that refers to the bearing placement on the wheel.
-Flatbacks have NO offset, and the inner bearings are mounted flush with the inside of the wheel. Flashbacks, Gravity & Kryptonics wheels are like this.
-Offset gives you an inner "lip" on the wheel for better traction, especially on the rear. Gumballs, Avalons, Avilas, old 70mm Kryps and RoadRider 6's are like this. Mild offset or Flatback wheels can be used with a more narrow truck hanger width.
-Center-set wheels are just that, with the bearings centered in the wheel. This spreads the load across the wheel and allows for you to run your wheels inside-out to wear them evenly. Grippins, NoSkoolz, Flywheels and some PowerPaw models are like this. If the tips of your truck axles come out to the edge of your deck, then a Centerset wheel will work best; A flatback wheel would make your board look like a Pickup Truck from the Barrio. And you'll hit your push foot on your rear wheel, which can be no fun.
Best advice...borrow, appropriate, use or skate whatever you can in the way of other completes, and keep notes on what you like and don't like about each set-up. And for gosh sakes, be sure to hook-up with the other skaters on this website and try their gear. Buy or trade for it if you must, and if you don't like it or you end up with too much stuff, sell or trade it to someone else.
There are MANY decks, wheels and trucks that are in my collection that have been owned by no less than FOUR other members on this list. Recycle, bro.
-=S=-
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Truck stuff
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On 7/22/2005
David Campbell
wrote in from
United States
(192.111.nnn.nnn)
Well I have not made up my mind yet. The Seismics sound better, but after looking at thier site and setup suggestions I would need springs also, and the whole package would be around $75+shipping. I can get a set of Randals for half that. I do like high-tech stuff and like for my boards to be the best setup they can be though. I just bought a set of those swiss 6-ball bearings, but I wouldn't shell out the money for ceramics.
As for other setup suggestions, I assume I will get trucks that are the width of my deck. What is "wheel bearing inset"?
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DC's Pumping deck combo
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On 7/21/2005
Steve in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
DC,
RJ's got some good ideas. Be sure also to read well into this forum for other set-ups that we've found work well as both flatland pumpers and stable at speed. Keep in mind that there's a line at which your set-up will give up one for the other...stability vs. ease of turning.
You can use just about any truck for a killer pumper deck...Originals, Kapus, Bakus, Exkates, Randals, Trackers, Seismics...even Indys! There are more choices to make once you've chosen your truck type:- Truck Hanger width
- Wheelbase
- Wheel bearing inset
- To Wedge or De-Wedge
- Add risers or modify deck
- ...or run different trucks F & R.
All of these options have a few things in common:
-Inner truck-hole wheelbase between 22-32"
-Truck hanger width between 130-180mm
-Good wheels between 65-76mm tall.
Let us know what you finally go with and your opinions on whether or not it met your expectations.
-=S=-
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Trucks
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On 7/21/2005 RJ
wrote in from
United States
(12.19.nnn.nnn)
David,
I have 45degree on the fron thad 30 degree on the back. the turning radius is fine, same as with other turcks. You can tighten them all the way down so they wont move at all, though i do not sugest this. but now do you see how you can eniminate speed wobbles? The randals can be made quite sturdy, also. It is really more of a matter of opinion. i suggest you test both first if possable, however if it is not the randals are less expencive also which makes them better for a new rider.
Let me know if you have any other questions.
Thanks
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Trucks
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On 7/21/2005
David Campbell
wrote in from
United States
(192.111.nnn.nnn)
Thanks RJ.
So I am assuming then that the Seismics are better suited to downhill? I would have thought the other way around as I thought the Randals were more stable. I am not looking at racing, but I really want to haul ass. It's intersting that Seismic suggest a different turning radius for the front and rear trucks, how does that effect the ride?
The only trucks I have ever owned were Tracker 6-tracks and Indy 9s, and I have not yet even ridden a board with no tail.
David
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How to Pump