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Indoor pump site
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On 1/12/2006
Adam
wrote in from
United States
(198.144.nnn.nnn)
One of the best times I've had on my slalom board was doing indoor laps at the inline hockey rink in Paso Robles, CA where the Cyber Slalom Cup was held in 2004. Being the first to arrive, the linoleum floor was squeeky clean and dust free.
I proceeded to pump fast laps on my Comet/Seismic/Avalons equipped deck with a huge smile on my face. It was effortless and amazingly efficient. Once the floor got dusty after the event it just wasn't the same.
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bearings
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On 1/12/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Yeah i think your right, if i had some spare cash i'd get some just for the try, but without grooves, there is little fear of them being a great find!
Something i have never asked you lot about is bearings, what do you generally use? I'm assuming the excessive pumping, must put extra stress on them compaired to most other skating?
Since starting with the board making, i've never bought anything but rubber seal ABEC 7's, i've been told i'm crazy and a speed freak, but i just thought they we're normal (i found a good sorce) what do you think?
I know the hype about the abec ratings and that alot of people think its all lies, i spoke to a guy who has been selling industrial bearings for years of all shapes and sizes and he gave me the usual, '+20,000rpm, glass flat surface, never tell the diffrence....' speech, that i've heard over and over. I've used so called 8balls and stopped after they made some crunching noises, i thought it was my ample bulk killing them, but my 5 1/2 stone nephew had the same with his, so it was back to the old trustys.
Munchh.
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whos yer Trap Daddy
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On 1/12/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Yer right Steve! Got a pump speed up to par with the push, over a couple weeks on the 176footer -- some madman pushes leading into the start, then a pumpilicious GS setup to pump the rest of the course, its a killer sprint! Hopefully we'll set up this weekend with the real timing gear.
http://home.comcast.net/~jampet99/images/trappin.wmv
That rain wheel stuff is nuts! The ad is cool, thx for posting Munchh. Looks like old marketing hype, 'cause the only wheel I ever thought would really make a difference was a grooved indy-rubber one by Xtreme wheels, some of the downhill lugers recommended it and I tested them but still never felt too comfortable on any hard carves. Wet equals slick for urethane... True about the bearings Al, somewhere you can buy 100 Abec3's for like $25?? The decks I prefer for rain, are carbon fiber or at least sealed so the board will last longer.
As for the marathons, I seriously trust that someone will come whip my 2:04 hour time on the 25-miler this summer, its hard being the world's reigning flatland distance champ! ;-) Munson, McGuirk, Westberg, you out there??
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Trap times & distances
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On 1/12/2006
Trap Daddy in AZ
wrote in from
United States
(192.175.nnn.nnn)
Yay! More folks are running The Trap now.
I should also remind those folks who think that pushers have the advantage over a shorter distance:- You are still allowed to push THROUGH The Trap at any distance...you don't have to coast.
- Most accomplished skaters can make their boards go FASTER than their fastest push by pumping at FULL SPEED.
- For this reason, it seems as if GS or SGS or short carvers with mid-to-large size wheels have the best combination of accelleration and top-end speed, grip and pumpability.
Finally, please try to run the 88' or 176' distances. I know the 44' distance is easier to find on a flat area w/a flat approach, but timing this distance is not a very accurate thing (without a real timing system), and it's not much fun to watch as the 88' or 176' distances are. 44' will be phased out by year end, and all Trap contests on a GRS basis will be of the longer distance.
Oh, and check out CYa's Blog! Sweet.
-=S=-
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Wet wheels
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On 1/12/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.132.nnn.nnn)
Hey guys,
not to much came out of england in the 70's to rival the U.S, but these i spose had to, as it says our weather just isn't like yours?
They are still available over here from session1.com(Lush longboards), heres the link to their shop, dont know what they are like or how many they have as they are NOS, but mabie worth a look?
Click here for link
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Rain Sessions
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On 1/12/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
James,
Rain, I think isn't suitable for serious races, but at least here, in the Carribbean, it doesn't seriously affect 'fun pump' sessions! The only thing to be considered is the skate location. Asphalt is generally bad for skating, and usually because of the oil. But concrete bricks are another issue! Here we have parks that utilize cheap concrete bricks for their pavement and we skate in the worst, hurricane type down pours! Actually its possibly more fun than regular skating, in that you can blast through puddles leaving rooster tails!..skate down streets turned into creeks, and all kinds of other wacky things! But for good cruising in the rain ..paved concrete bricks are great! they give good traction(which leads to confidence), are usually in places where cars are prohibited, so no oil,and somewhat retard 'slicks' because they have the grooves between the bricks to channel the water. The only consideration for the NW is the Cold! I'm from SF, and riding in the rain there isn't too much fun! How much less fun in Seattle or Vancouver! But for those who live in warmer area's, rain-sessions in concrete brick paved parks is the way to go! Uh, that is, as long as you can afford the bearings!:)
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some catching up to do
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On 1/12/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
"I've got a bit of catching up to do if I want to skate with James and the gang"
Erin, I think 'catching up with James'..might be like trying to catch up to Lance Armstrong...riding a STINGRAY!:) However, we're only too lucky that this sport is so new, that we can have access to ride and chat with the best! There aren't too many beginner cyclers out there that have such opportunities to gleen info. from the world record holders of their sport! Gosh!skateboarding's great!! But,of course we can have fun, tryiinnng to 'catch up' to James!...and who knows??.. One day, one of us might put a smile on his face..by Kicking his A-- in one of these races!!:)
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0% chance of rain in the garage!!
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On 1/12/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
That rocks Erin! Sounds like both you and Eric have got a winter location now. I guess we're nearing the record 33 days of rain straight in the NW, it might end Sunday so they say... I did see some vid on SF of guys in Europe pumping around cones in the pouring rain, dunno what the hell wheels THOSE were?!
But those Hots will definately stick your turns, I had a clear test of the Grippin/Avalon grip comparison last summer - on the same exact offset, 8 times in a row, the first 5 on Grippins with a controllable slide and the last 3 on Avalons stuck like glue. I'm guessing thats what the ZigZags will be all about?
Catching up is NO issue! Our mellow sessions are 'drop in and try it out' -we got extra gear and setups and I'll let you know when the first dry outdoor ones start up. Until then if you ever happen to be seattle-bound on a Saturday morning even on a wet day there will be some skatin!!
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This update as been brought to you from the sunny dry left coast.
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On 1/11/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
this msgbrd is just bubbling!
:D
keep up the good work you all.... and Adam! you rock!
cYa
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Indoor pump site has been found!
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On 1/11/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
It took a while but after the 24th consecutive day of rain here in Vancouver we finally discovered an indoor, covered and 'legal' pump spot. Amazing what desperation will lead to!
The bottom floor of this totally underused but overly well maintained parkade is well lit, squeaky clean and just long enough for 20 cones at 6 foot intervals.
For a warm-up I pumped out some laps on the Vice with my Carver CX's. Actually took one spill when the rear wheels slid out on me during a nice fast pump. Good thing for knee pads and wrist guards. I got pitched off forwards and just did a nice spread eagle slide on my safey gear....no harm done whatsoever. However I am thinking that the spit duro Grippins I was running are not the best wheels for that smooth concrete. I had 78/81's on there. I'm thinking I'll throw my Hot Spots on there for next time - they'll likely provide a bit more traction, don't you think?
Next we ran a modified cyber (given that we don't have enough room for the full 25 cones) and for this I skated my Fatboy Hybrid set up with Manx's (84/81 or something close to that). The board is a bit stiff and the wheelbase maybe a tad long for cyber - or, then again, it could also have been me, rusty from no real slalom for over a month - but hey, I prefer to blame the gear.....LOL. All the same, next time I will take the Roe Crossfire which is my designated TS and cyber board. Already excited about our next sesh!
I was kind of slow and sloppy today but am thinking that I can only get better. I've got a bit of catching up to do if I want to skate with James and the gang - you guys got a nice head start with your recent holiday season parkade sesh's, eh?!
Anyways, it felt awesome to be ripping around on the boards and in a space double that of the little underground 'test lab' parking lot in the building that I live in. Well good thing for our new slalom site as the rains are predicted to continue for the rest of the week. (The record is 28 consecutive days of rain - we just might beat that soon! )
This slalom update as been brought to you from the soggy wet left coast.
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tailkicks and wedges
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On 1/11/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Ok, I see, those wedges look like they'd do the trick alright. Nice idea, James.
and yeah, that kick on the LBL definitely is stylin'. :-)
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tailkick
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On 1/11/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Yeah that kicktail on the LBL is purely for stylin' - but I've got foam wedges farther up on this 'RoeSect' for Crankin up da Powaaa!!
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kicktail
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On 1/11/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
James, I know what you mean about the 'gas pedal' application of a kick tail on a slalom deck. But I am wondering about on the longer decks - how useful is a kicktail? I don't tend to ever have a stance wide enough to even reach the kicktail on a 40 inch or 43 inch LDP board. I know you have a kicktail on your new LBL. Are you able to use it in the fashion you described below?
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acceleration
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On 1/11/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Munchh, we were lucky to have Brad Jackman transplanted up north from Southern Cal this year, not only raising the bar and amping up our sessions, but also sharing pump technique and ideas on gear from his trainings esp., with Carrasco.
One of the concepts thats really stuck with me is the "gas pedal" from sk8kings AXE setup, or the custom-fits you can do with PPS foam wedge kits. That kicktail lets you crank power from the back by having the foot planted firmly on the rear truck. Look at racers anticipating each pump and note how their heel is often up in the air and toe still planted on the deck, then it makes even more sense. The kicktail under your heel means you can generate just that much more power with each turn -- I think that's the theory, sure works for me!
I see how you've moved that truck farther back -- it will be cool to hear how it works out, and just keep in mind you might try setting it back even farther later on! Experiments in pumping, that's pretty much how we keep sane over the winter... -jp
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rear wedge
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On 1/10/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.137.nnn.nnn)
Cheers boys,
as for the rear truck, this is hoe its wedged at the moment, its on the apex of the tail, not quite half and half. This acceleration you speak of, im missing somthing again, i know pocket pistols drill the back truck on the tail, i always thought it was just for a hight thing, whats it all about Peters? Thanks for the offer of bushings, i'll mail you bout that.
Thanks again for the appreciation, i'm hoping this one is gonna get me going through the trap real good?
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pumpilicious deck
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On 1/10/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
That is one sweet looking setup Munchh! - acceleration off your kicktail and some soft bushings on the front Tracker, looks like a great short trail pumper, hill climber, and you could even put it through some cones. I like how you lengthened the wheelbase, later you might experiment drilling back on the tail and uber-dewedge the rear truck? Will be great to hear your impressions. I'll send you some bushings to test out esp. if they're harder to track down there in your hometown, just lemme know! Nice work on the deck shaping and on getting your pix posted right the first time ;-)
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pumping deck
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On 1/9/2006 silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
(71.192.nnn.nnn)
I like that deck a lot.
Very nice shape.
When it stops raining let us know how she performs.
Good job on the photo's and on posting them.
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this deck was made for pumping. more
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On 1/9/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.137.nnn.nnn)
Typing was rubbish,
Its 31" x 7 3/4" with a 22" WB, weighs 3kg set ut like this.
wish it would stop raining!!
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this deck was made for pumping.
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On 1/9/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(86.137.nnn.nnn)
Wohoo, thanks to Steve in AZ, i have found the joy of pic hosting and i can finally post the pics of the 1st deck from my air prss and it has at last got my new Tracker race tracks on it. Its a Roarokit street kit deck, but i've given it my favorte template shape and finnished the bottom with an oak veneer, urnt in y logo and it was a jy to behold. Mabie i should have posted on homemades, but it was aways going to become a pumper and its your oppinions i'd like so,
What do ya'll think,
cheers,
Munchh.
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timing system
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On 1/8/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Hey Al - for sprint runs a few of us are going in on the following setup.
1. Trakmate TIMER
http://www.infoserve.net/oss/slotcar/sports/index.htm
2. Tape SWITCHES (phone and custom order length)
http://www.tapeswitch.com/
3. About 800-1000 feet of phone CABLE for start-->finish.
Currently we're still using stopwatch and running 1. both directions, 2. multiple times (and days) and averaging, 3. throwing away lowest 'best' times since they're likely due to twitchy trigger finger. In the short term I'd recommend both you and your friend hold stopwatches, when racing try to self-time then compare against your buddy's watch.
I've also thought about setting video that shoots the whole course, then set cones that you intentionally plow through at both Start and Finish lines, to have a clear visual to double-check times later. A bit convoluted though...
The GPS will be for marathon rides. Gotta sell some stuff first!
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crude but accurate timing methods?
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On 1/8/2006 Al Williams
wrote in from
Dominican Republic
(66.98.nnn.nnn)
James,
I'm just curious to know your current method of timing your races, presuming that you're not yet using the GPS systems that you talked about? My methods of calculating my times are really very crude, and I, like you, would like a more accurate method. As of now, I use a regular Casio type watch and start and stop as I'm crossing the lines. If I have a friend available, I have him walk to the finish line, while I throw down my arms while I cross the starting line. Then, of course, as I finish he stops the watch. However, with such short distances, and few seconds, I'm abit skeptical as to the accuracy of this second method. Anyway, just curious to see if we're using the same systems for timing...and if not, what you think is the most effective?
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TRAP times while the weather is still crappy
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On 1/7/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Some new unofficial TRAP times, GS boards seem to fit the pump equation! And some amateur vid:
http://home.comcast.net/~jampet99/images/trappin.wmv
Corey pumping - 15.78 mph (7.6 sec), AXE, Tracker mids, Manx 69mm.
Peters pumping- 16.21 mph (7.4 sec), PPS, splitfire, Indy offset, Avalons.
Stryker pushing - 17.39 mph (6.9 sec), mystery drop deck, Indys, Exkate wheels.
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GPS on distance rides
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On 1/5/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
For long rides and short sprints I'd like a GPS device, like a Garmin Foretrex, Forerunner or Magellan. there's a bunch in the $100 range, then jumps to $400 range. anyone with quick opinions would be great to hear. I see HughR uses them and mentions some issues when in canyon areas, but I suppose their accuracy is generally trusted? There must be limitations though on accuracy of really short distances. I'd like something that you can download all the ride data (altitude, distance and speed) into a PC and graph it out later...
cYa - WHEW, 12-15mph's a much better ballpark. I figured either that scooter guy was off, or else steroids were involved!! old age? no way, this stuff keeps us all young and strong!
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21mph more like 12mph :D
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On 1/4/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
(68.224.nnn.nnn)
mendicino's finest was to blame on that one
working up off of 15mph is more like it. just get one of those segways guy to ride next to you.
most of their speedometers are calibrated properly and then you can get a real good idea of actual speed.
woops! here comes old age? :D
Chris Yandall
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push planks and pumpitude
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On 1/4/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Hey thanks Eric, the vids are just quickest way to share what we're up to, raw and amateur. Chaputs link is cool. Hey wait, he's just talkin, where's the riding? ;-)
77mm is a good in-between extremes size, which may apply to both push and pump times. A low, stable plank setup is the other important factor, keeping the push foot efficiently low to the ground. Didn't sense a discernable advantage yet in performance between the heavier LandyDH and lighter Rolls. Next, will be lowering the RollsRolls' CG by mounting the 77's.
I recall Chris Y's post talking about pushin' along the boardwalk at 21mph just a year ago! Hmmmmm. I'm guessing a bit of a downhill slope there??
Yep the Trap is heavily a "drill", a way to isolate specific speed elements. So at least when the subject is the Trap, its all about speed. And like I said, make it more fun...get a buddy and race it! That's the oldest game in the book -- "Hey, race you to that sign up ahead..."
For distance and just cruising, the full-on pump is what I dig. I'm not always focused on speed there, but when you've hit the same course 10 times (i.e. commute to work), you want to make that time as efficient as possible. My fastest work commute is 59mins "skumping" and 53mins pushing. For 6 mins difference I continue to work on speeding up the pump!
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