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cyber mile challenge!
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On 5/11/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Ready for some times! I'm hoping eventually we have a good range of times and see where it goes. Going for a beer run should be in the 8-10 minute range. Anywhere from 4 to 5 minutes is charging it. If you post under 4 minutes then we'd better get together and hit a track!
CYBER MILE PAGE
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ldp boxing
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On 5/11/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
James, those diagrams and explanations are going to be so helpful. It will be a godsend for those new to the sport and a big help for those already thorughly addicted. Maybe its just my kinestetic nature, but I found the written descriptions of pumping rather hard to follow and therefore not that helpful when learning to actually do the technique. The diagrams will be very useful and I think most of all videos to demonstrate the technique(s) are the absolute BEST teaching aid.
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boxing
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On 5/11/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
erin, i'm working on some 'how to' shorts for the site which are just additions to shapeshifter's and gesmer's detailed pump essays -- not to "re-invent the pump" but rather append bits from our flavor of riding. Over distances I'm using all kinds of pumps to balance the body, and just to make things interesting. Pumping into strong wind is a great demo on how the upper body adds strength to your pumps, but I definately prefer the stillness of sunrise rides with practically zero wind! The afternoons have been crazy windy here as well...
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Jam'ing and LDP arm techniques
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On 5/10/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(142.22.nnn.nnn)
Hey Oldstoke, an 80 inch board would definitely be awesome for another flavour of board dancing for sure.
The variety dished up in the sport of skateboarding never ceases to amaze me.
Yesterday I slipped away for another one of my favourite 23 km pump seawall skates. I had a strong headwind for the first half of the outting. We have been having these uncharacteristically strong winds for over a week now. At first I found it a bit discouraging to pump into the relentless wind. Like James has stated, it is very much like pumping uphill. I must admit to not enjoying how slow the progress was.
Then I decided to change my mindset and play with the 'opportunity' more. So I started to experiment with technique in a light hearted way. To my surprise I discovered that getting the elbow of my leading arm up a little higher and speeding up the cadence of that arm's pumping served to improve the speed and power of my board pumping significantly.
Prior to that I had evolved my arm technique to a point where my hands were quite close together, elbows down at my sides and it seemed that often the rear arm was moving more vigorusly than the lead arm. I have found that the 'shadow boxing' movement that James and other employ when pumping is indeed a very streamlined and efficient one.
The adjustment of the lead arm was a relatively small tweak in terms of technique but I was impressed by how big the impact was on my speed. It just goes to show that there is still so much more to learn about what makes flatland pumping work and a lot of the technique discoveries will be unique to each individual skater depending on their body type, fitness level and equipment set up.
I think Derek has experimented a bit with variations on arm/elbow positioning and James too, you guys might want to add some thoughts on this aspect of LDP technique.
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pumping pintails
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On 5/10/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
We're too far from the sub-station for DSL, and never hooked up to cable in order to keep the family playing outside rather than in front of the box.
It works, somewhat.
I don't recall any pintail pics, but we do have one other- it's just a cheapo generic $59 complete.
My skumping was going pretty good until the two-wheeled Gravity Classic Concave incident I posted about. I'll never pump THAT board again! ( the Swept up nose did me in).
You're right about the dancing on the board, great way to stay fit while having fun at the same time.
Our oldest son wants to get an 80" Jam Silverback, for cross-stepping to the nose, dropped knee turns, etc. That should be alot of fun as another "alternative" boarding activity.
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more wheels and truck babble
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On 5/9/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(24.18.nnn.nnn)
Zogs, could you buy the 'Vents and test them for me? ;-) Budget is tapped for a bit, too many bouncy wheels purchased in the last couple months. Look like they might be a touch lighter and if the urethane's like a HotSpot, they be grippy. Yeah I've been on the Splits a lot more lately, and they ARE smooth - much depends on bushing selection. I'm running Khiro and Stims combinations with a perfect rebound.
Erin, as for Trackers v. the others my initial impression from slalom setups is Trackers turn 'differently'... hard to say better or worse, I think this one really boils down to preference. Seems like the Splits might take less effort, my Trackers (mid tracks and race tracks) seem to work best on a stiffer deck where you crank your turns a little harder. Good for sprints but I haven't set them up really loose to try significant pump mileage. I do major wedging, like bend-your-bolts wedges, that makes them turn tons better. Poor person's version indeed! -- I often think of the skatepark guys that show up occasionally to slalom on flippy park decks with stiff-ish Indys and crappy wheels -- and still smoke the course!
Oh yeah Sunday Salem was a cancel due to rain, kinda bummer but we did a garage cyber session I posted results on CSA forum. That was the ONLY rainy day this week?!?!
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Dial up and dancing
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On 5/9/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Whoah, don't know many that are still on dial up. Good on you to save some coin on you connection so that you have it to spend it on new boards .
Cruising on the G&S sounds sweet. Another pin to join the pintail quiver - if I recall a pic from a while back, you are a big fan of pintails, right?
So now when are you going to try set up one of those boards for a little bit of pumping? You know having those bare feet on a deck instead of the ground, dancing on the wood, isn't such a bad thing. Kind of like being out for a night of dancing but better in that you're out in the fresh air, sunshine, and there's no cover charge!
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New Caledonia Vid
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On 5/9/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
Tried to view it, but we are STILL on dial-up, so no dice. Next time I can tap into a broadband connection I'll be sure to check it out. I could have done so today after work, but I opted for cruising on the G&S pintail instead. Stopped off for a snack when half done, and even here in Detroit, no shirt, no shoes, no problem. (MUST have been the board).
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REVENGE TRUCKS
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On 5/8/2006
J
wrote in from
United States
(71.67.nnn.nnn)
I think that they only come in one size. I'm dying to try mine out as they just got here.
J
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"no shoes, no problem"
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On 5/8/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Ooooooooo, OldStoke, you temptor...."no shirt, no shoes, no problem". 16 mile round trip - pumpable. Surfing, skiming.....ahhhhhhhhhh....
btw, did you see that sweet vid on the 'fish by the New Caledonia skater on his LBL - sans shoes? I thought you might like it.
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Flatland pump destinations
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On 5/8/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
We pushed the 8 miles each way, but you could have easily pump of course, to watch the launch of an Atlas 5 rocket carrying a communications satalite at Cape Canaveral. Ate fish outside at Port Canaveral, and skated back to the beach for more skimming and surfing. Under the influence of the Gulf Stream, not one of the thousands of surfers had anything more than a rash guard on.
Twenty four hours a day, no shirt, no shoes, no problems.
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now that's a dream come true
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On 5/7/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
OldStoke, the way you describe Cocoa Beach is so dreamy....I can almost feel the sand between my toes and a new deck in hand... Definitely high on my list of holiday spots now....
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Cocoa Beach Board Shops
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On 5/7/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
Erin, not just a board shop, but TWO huge boardshops next door to each other. If neither one has what you want, you just hit one of the other shops along A1A, there are at least 10 others within a few miles of the center of town. The store I saw the G&S at had a display of Loaded boards with several examples of each model all equipped differently. The one next door had every model of Gravity and Sector 9, as well as a dozen other brands. Everybody surfs and skates, and if they don't they think of themselves as the oddballs.
For the ultimate experience go there Easter Weekend (we always do) during the Easter Surf Fest.
Every bar and restaurant we went into shoeless and carrying our boards had seen it a million times before, and no one batted an eye. Paradise indeed.
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Oooh. I love Dreams!
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On 5/7/2006 Mr. Zogs
wrote in from
United States
(167.206.nnn.nnn)
Man... dreaming sure does kill you when you wake up. Imagining a Roe LDP or Bamboo LBL LDP w/ some Carvers or w/ full splits w/ Reflex Gummies or the new Speedvents...
Why can't the pool open up yet? (I'm a lifeguard)
Well, once summer comes around, my dreams may become a reality. After looking over my expected income this summer, some rockin' setups may make there way into my quiver. Just learned that when I do a "Private Swim Lesson" for a kid, its $60 bucks per hour... Quite a nice pay for teaching them to blow bubbles and dunk their head underwater... Heh...
So anyways, the reason for my post...
James, you gonna try the new speedvents for skumping? 77mm by 55mm and a nice 75a duro... Then again, the urethane depth is not as deep as a gumball or avila due to the core, but still looks promising cause it won't be as heavy as those other tanks. Kinda pricey though at 64 dollars for a set (4).
Also, I think someone has asked you this before (maybe me), but do you prefer your Splits over your Carvers for skumping it up? I have front and rear splits on one of my slalom boards and I may just have to go and transfer them over to my fibreflex skumper (when its finally done)...
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monster bolts...
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On 5/7/2006
Munchh
wrote in from
United Kingdom
(217.42.nnn.nnn)
Peters man,
now i get why my carver has been giving me so much trouble, i'm short of about 1" of riser!!
Looks like another trip to the bolt shot, i should get my act together and start putting bolts on e-bay, 1 1/4" is about the limit anywhere and i've found a great supplier.
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narrow hangers
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On 5/7/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
James, now you've got me really thinking about the narrower hanger idea. We've had three days for big, big winds this week. Gusts of 70kmp! Ohhhhh, yeah, it is definitely like pumping uphill!
I've got some Trackers rt front and an offset rear, can be 129 or 106 depending on how I set 'em up. Do you think they would even come close to how a Splitfire would feel for pumping? A poor person's version, pehaps?
I think I may just have to try them out some time. With the narrower truck I am thinking the pumping will have more of a precision feel to it, right? And does it almost force a faster cadence?
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Cocoa Beach
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On 5/7/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Wow, Cocoa Beach here I come. That places sounds like a great longboarders holiday spot! Complete with a board shop - a gear head's dream.
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pushin when its windy!
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On 5/7/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Beachside cruising is the best, there's a little stretch on this side of the coast as well, down in Westport WA. and Erin's got Stanley park in BC which is exposed to waterfront for a good length. One thing that brings with it are occasional strong wind gusts -- which can make a flatland cruise very UPhill. when the wind hits hard, it gets kinda goofy pumping at 5 mph... for that I mix it up and push for speed.
To strike a good balance between a dedicated pumper thats low CG enough to be pushed easily (with big wheels, no less) -- I'm finding that wedged split-Fires work great, the pic here shows my CarverCX with 75mm avilas vs. SplitFire with 76mm gumballs, the gumball setup is an inch lower to the ground and never gets wheelbite! part of that's due to the fact the SplitFire is much narrower.
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FL Skating
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On 5/7/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
Erin, Cocoa Beach FL is the most skateboard friendly town we've ever been to. Perfectly flat, but longboards everywhere. We all skated everyday, and still had time to surf, skim, and fish. The brand new 3'rd floor Pro Skateboard dep't at Cocoa Beach Surf Co. is awesome. Hundreds of different decks in stock. That's where I saw the G&S pintail and knew I had to have one. When I went back later in the day it had been sold! I ended up ordering one from Fibreflex instead.
I liked the idea of a very light flexy minimalist board that looked surfy yet could handle gumballs with no risers on the tiny RII 150's. I also like that it still has a usable tail. It does exactly what I wanted it to, but never did I plan on it being set up for skumping. Maybe we'll check out one of those new pumping boards you guys mentioned. I still don't know how stoked I'll ever get with the discipline - you know me, if my feet don't get to touch the ground I'm missing half the fun!
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pump decks and ... skates?
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On 5/6/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
Erin you mean specifically LONG distance pumping! ;-) yep Oldstoke, RoeRacing just added a Pavedwave LDP board which has been in testing and refinement for over a year, and LongboardLarry just released an LDP as well that Erin rides, they're both up on their respective sites. I've reviewed the Roe LDP on pavedwave so I'll leave that there!
your Fibreflex pin should work well, the rest is just knowing what kind of trucks and wheels you're setting up with, be glad to assist!
the Freelines seem like sideways skates, I couldn't really endorse them because I haven't ridden them yet, but they look like crazy fun if you watch the quick vids. I'm pretty sure the guy that's flying between the pedestrians at mach speed has spent "a few" hours on them...
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pumping board
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On 5/6/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
(66.183.nnn.nnn)
Hey OldStoke, how was Florida? Did you and your gang get some good skating in?
As for an excellent pumping board, not long ago there were no boards designed with pumping specifically in mind and now there are TWO. Can't go wrong with either I would think.
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Too Many boards
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On 5/6/2006 OldStoke
wrote in from
United States
(12.75.nnn.nnn)
Hey Peters, my son got his own "The Wave" yesterday, and who am I to tell him that he has enough wheeled toys already! My G&S Fibreflex 44 Pintail arrived a few days ago, and my other son is losing sleep awaiting his Jay Adams pool board.
Now you gotta tell us about this freeline thing or whatever it was called, they're gonna want that as well.
At least we can all share the family quiver. It's time that we build up an ultimate Skump'n board, since five of us can make use of it. Has there been a consensus yet on what the best all around pumping board would be?
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2 piece gadgets
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On 5/6/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
(64.236.nnn.nnn)
hey oldstoke, that 'wave' gadget sounds a lot like a snakeboard. I've found the 2-piecers fun to tool around on, parking lots, short rides - they do mimic some of the same pump motions. For longer distance I just want that extra 'snap' of energy from a nice pumping deck that creates more acceleration, and the energy rebound from compressing and uncompressing bushings. Plus for longer rides its nice to be able to hit a top speed then just cruise it with minimal pumps, which the swivelly doo-hickeys aren't as good at. Still, they're a lotta fun for what they do! Freeline skates seem to use that kind of motion too, and remove the bar in the middle entirely, might be worth testing out someday...
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switch pump
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On 5/6/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
you go erin!
switch pump. i love saying that. it just sounds so official...
one of the most helpful things that pumping switch has taught me is to keep my weight back on the board. my stance used to be way heavier on the front foot, which made inclines a bit trickier. when i started practicing switch, i still was distributing my weight unevenly and favoring my left leg. but since my left leg was at the back of the board, i was generating energy more efficiently. for a long time i rode all the inclines switch, until i figured out that all i needed was to balance my weight distribution a bit better to get the same effect.
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new jersey
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On 5/6/2006 derek
wrote in from
United States
(24.16.nnn.nnn)
hey zogs-
isn't tom brown jr. from there? it can't be all that bad... :)
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How to Pump