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VA Beach
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On 12/3/2003 rob
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I have a framed ticket and a copy of the VB sk8 law. I was warned by a cop that I needed a leash and laughed explaining in my years of sk8ing and being in shops I had never heard of such a thing. I then went behind a 7/11 and found a piece of rope which I tied to my front truck and wrist. I was then stopped by 2 cops on horses who called for backup I eventually was surrounded by lots of cops including my leash law cop who ignored me while being written a ticket. After I recieved my ticket I followed the pigs shouting obsenities while they got in their cars ignoring me. I plead my case in court and was told the cops are always right. That was 1993 since then I don't think you can sk8 East of Pacific Ave. though I have poached every part of that boardwalk many times. Those early morning sunrises are pretty safe. Lucky I wasn't on PCP or they would have beat me to death. Don't sk8 where they say not to and the older you get the more respect you get but there's a reason for this new forum...cops can be dicks about sk8ing and have been for years. Sure obey the law but something about a sk8board says your a violent drug using graffiti artist who spits on old people but that's only part of what we do.
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On 12/3/2003
Hamm
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Outstanding post K-LEE!!!!!! Miko too.
I live in urban San Diego; city blocks, alley's, sidewalks, pedestrians, the whole deal. I skate everywhere all the time and never have problems. Its simple. Avoid old people, small children and mothers with kids. See a cop,pick up your board, MAKE EYE CONTACT, smile & wave. My unoffical research has shown me that 90% of the time when a cop stops you its because someone has gotten hurt, terrorized, or there are repeated complaints in THAT area. If you take the time to LISTEN to the cop while he explains that, you'll both walk way from the expierience unscathed. In my case, a slalom or longboard combined with my age usually starts a positive dialouge with the cop.
Of course there are always exceptions. Every city has the Monster truck driving,pin dick,wife-beating, stereotypical macho-prick cop with something to prove. He's easy to avoid, don't skate around donut shops.
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Privelege
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On 12/3/2003
Sketchmaster
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K-LEE: Skating is inherently dangerous. According to your premise all skating is a privelege even on property that is owned by the skater in question since you believe that the government has some type of responsibility for your personal actions regarding your own safety. The intended use arguement is full of holes. In no way does skating a ditch diminish its efficacy as a flood control device. My tax dollars do not fund transmission lines (corporate welfare subsidies excepted). They are private property.
A good example of the ditch "intended use" arguement is "The Wedge" in Scottsdale, Arizona. From day one the cops would hassle you there; Right up to the day the "no skateboarding" signs came down and the city began advertising it as a recreational feature. I've used the maintenance roads that run parallel to the irrigation ditches here for years as a footpath. This was always "illegal"; Right up to the day the "No Trespassing" signs came down and the paths were being touted as great places for you to walk and bike. Both of these examples illustrate the arbitrary and capricious nature of the governments anointing of given structures with specific use provisions. You'll find that a lot of the government's legal fictions don't pass muster when they wind up in court. That's because this country was established on the premise of individual rights where rights do not emanate from government but are inherent within you. There needs to be a legitimate reason before there is even any motion regarding infringement on a right. Individual safety surely does not qualify.
It's good that your post got back to the legal point which is the intent of this forum. A social commentary forum might well be just as well justified since that is what the main content of most of these posts concern. (I'm more guilty of this than most.)
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Ditchriding privileges
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On 12/3/2003
K-LEE
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Sketch,
Why is ditchriding a privilege? That's an easy one. Ditches are built for FLOOD CONTROL, and nothing else. No one is ever legally allowed into them for safety reasons. Too many kids have died (at least here in ABQ) playing in them when a flash flood occurs. It is illegal to skate, ride a bike, hang out, walk your dog, or even just stand in the ditches here. It's not like they're built for us to use like a road, parking garage, or boardwalk would be. They are built to keep rushing water from destroying our homes and city property. Just because your tax dollars went to pay for power transmission lines, do you think you have the right to go hanging off of them like a monkey? Hell no. It's dangerous to you and could damage the power lines, disrupting their main purpose. That's the difference between ditches and sidewalks. Besides, the construction crew didn't have to make them the shape that they are. They could be almost square and unskatable. There could be (and are in some cases) chain link fences around them. They could be lined with broken glass and have 5" expansion joints with a super-raked finish, or even made of dirt, and they'd still do the job they were intended for. But no, they unintentionally decided to make them very skate friendly and the cops for the most part look the other way when we "trespass" unless we disturb the people that live next to the ditches. And that, my friend, is a definite privilege. Ask anyone who has actually BEEN to ABQ ditches, and they'll tell you the same, I'm sure.
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On 12/3/2003 Sketchmaster
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K-LEE: Why do you consider it a privelege for me to skate a ditch that I paid for?
To everyone else: The police are only authorized to enforce current laws. If none exist regarding the context in which he is harassing you then tell him to go away. If he wants to cite you and has no code to cite then what? If he wants to stretch the legislation he has at his disposal then it likely won't hold in court. That's right. Make it a court issue. How many times do you think the courts want to deal with this when there is no property damage, injury, threat or legitimate penal violation? If they confiscate your property then high tail it to that jurisdiction's Risk Management office and file a "lis pendens". This is a demand that the confiscated property not be destroyed or disposed. As far as respect goes: Too many people get too much. I ran out years ago freely applying it to anyone who wanted it. I'm all out; Especially for police officers who are stepping far beyond the mission for which I pay them. I'm not their slave and I'm not going to act like it either.
Disrespectfully yours, The Master of Sketch
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Add a Law
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On 12/3/2003 george g.
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It should be mandatory that every child and adult own or at least know how to properly handle a skateboard. Tell the kids if they find a skateboard in a empty lot, or find an old one in a junk store to find an adult and tell them. Any empty pools, new ditches or newly paved hills, immediately inform someone who cares.
Remember kids, when self ignition occurs, STOP, DROP and ROLL. When problems in life overwhelm you, Surf, Skate-Relate (OK I stole that from the LCB but I don't think they will mind)
This problem isn't going to go away. Go underground, when caught be polite. We were all kids once and we all tore some stuff up, or at least borrowed a bunch of plywood. There may be some constitutionality issues. But, then again this will be state specific, county or city specific, it will depend on the local government. It will amaze you what some cities can and do get away with. A few concerned parents at a city council meeting can make a difference. Oh, you can march in with 50 to 100 kids carrying skateboards that definately gets their attention! I actually participated in attending a meeting a few years ago, 1969 Hobie in one hand and a longboard in the other. We filled city council with skaters. Be respectful and get a little in return. It rocked!
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On 12/3/2003
K-LEE
wrote in from
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Although I've been restricting my posts to the Banks & Ditches forum due to lack of "forum time" this semester, I felt that I had some input to offer on this subject. I have been skating in the streets and ditches of Albuquerque for well over 7 years now. I have been stopped or asked to leave by cops and security guards more times than I can count. But, after all these years, I have never been ticketed, arrested, or had my board confiscated. The reason is respect.
Some of the laws being mentioned here remind me of UNM's own policy regarding skateboards and how it has changed over the years. When I first came to school here, skateboards were strictly banned in any shape or form. Even before my first classes had started, I decided to skate around campus and get a feel for it. I remember sitting on a bench holding my board in my lap when one of the particularly militant campus cops approached me and told me that I had to leave campus because of my skateboard. I explained to him that I was new and just carrying my skateboard around campus because that was how I got there. He then said, "I don't care if you're riding it, carrying it, or flying on it. You need to leave NOW!" I got up and left as quickly as possible.
Later that year I was stopped when sessioning with some buddies (we were grinding a waxed curb, street punk style) and told that I could have my scholarship taken away, put on academic probation, or just be kicked out of school if I was ever caught skating on campus again. Needless to say, for a while after that I just skated as fast as possible anytime I actually saw a campus cop.
The next memorable one was actually an APD bike cop on Central Avenue right across from school. While skating on the sidewalk (pure transportation this time) a bike cop rode past me and told me to "walk it". I considered the fact that HE was riding a big bulky bike on the same sidewalk and though him a hypocrite. I responded with a laugh and gave him a hot pursuit. A way down the sidewalk it got real crappy and rough, and I knew there was no way I was going to be faster than him on that stuff. So I just sat down and waited for him. By the time he caught up with me he was foaming at the mouth and saying things like "I bet you think it's funny, huh?!" Then he called for backup. He then proceeded to ask me what I did for a living and stuff like that. I handed him my student ID and told him that I was doing undergraduate research and working towards my BS in Mathematics. By the time the backup arrived I had doled out enough respect to get some back. He let me off with a warning and told me to keep up the good schoolwork and basically shook my hand, like he was a proud father or something.
The biggest run in I ever experienced was when I was transporting through campus with a buddy of mine. To make a LLLOONNNGG story short my friend busted an ollie right in front of a pedestrian and scared him. A campus cop was nearby and saw the whole thing. He suggested to my friend that he walk his board. My friend has never been one to hide his emotions, so he told the cop off. The cop proceeded to brutalize him in a way reminiscent of Rodney King. It wasn't all that bad, but the cop misunderstood my friend's attempt to explain himself as resisting arrest. At one point two cops were actually sitting on my friend in a dog pile, kicking him and twisting his arm. I had to stand there and watch. By the time the backup arrived, I had been detained as well, although I had hid my board in a bush long before that and was a pedestrian as far as the coppers were concerned. While we were being detained, a longboarder rolled past. I yelled "There goes another one, you'd better stop him!" His response was "We don't stop the flatboarders [sic]. They can skate as long as they don't do stunts." This was news to me. But I checked into it and sure enough, the policy had changed since the time that I was a freshman. This incident ended with my friend's charges being dropped due to "excessive force". We actually ran into that same cop a short while later, but I was on a banana board and was let go. The fact that some of these campus cops can't fill out a report properly kept my friend from getting busted a second time. But the memory of the brutality still lingered.
My skating sessions have been pretty copless since then. A few times we've had the man come by our slalom sessions, which are held in a public street by a public park. The cop just watches for a while, tells us to have a nice day, and then drives on. I haven't had an incident on campus since I've been aware of the new policy. I just ride my Bozi GS around campus and the lack of kicktail and grind marks keeps the man off me. I wonder if towns like Cape May are going to progress through a similar policy change as they realize that not ALL skaters destroy property and endanger the public.
What is the moral of this long and drawn out post? Give respect and act dumb. When a cop or security guard tells me that I cannot skate somewhere, I act surprised and shocked that the harmless activity that I'm engaging in actually causes problems for other people. I thank them for informing me, and proceed to leave. Most cops aren't going to come down hard on you if you seem like a first time offender or that you're new to town. I honestly feel that the only reason my friend got beaten that night instead of me was that I skated away while he stopped to mouth off to the cop. Whether or not skateboarding is illegal, you need to realize that we share this world with a lot of other people who have different interests and perceptions of reality. Courtesy has its place in all of life's moments, not just when you're skating. If you have an air of courtesy and respect, you'll usually get the same back.
When it comes to doing something obviously illegal like ditch skating, I agree with ARAB. Go in there KNOWING it's illegal, and act accordingly. Don't act like you have some right to do it. I honestly don't think that us ditch racers have a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to hold outlaw ditch races at the Bear. I think that it's a privilege that the cops look away long enough for us to do our thing and get out of there. And there's a lot of truth to the saying "Take only pictures, leave only urethane tracks."
But I can also see Snoball’s point as well. Growing up in small towns south of here, skating around town was my way of having fun, exercising, expressing my self, and exploring new territory. I had no skatepark, pool, ramp, or anything like that. I was lucky to have a good hill, some sidewalks, and a handful of low curbs. I was told that I could be “written up” for doing what I did, so I just skated where the old people weren’t. I never understood the idea of being a spectacle while you skate. It’s something I like to do at 4am when NOBODY’S around. Then you have the streets to yourself. I don’t even like going to the skatepark when it’s crowded.
So, I feel the best way to handle all this is to 1) skate in vacant, empty places when no one else will harass you, 2) dole out as much respect as you can stomach, and 3) act as if you’re a law abiding citizen partaking in the nations newest pastime and not some criminal out to destroy urban eyesores and evade the man. Skateboarding is illegal only if you skate like a criminal. There’s an ever growing populace of us that want to present it as a fun healthy alternative to mainstream sports, while still holding on to skating’s outlaw roots. If we can make that aspect of skateboarding visible to the public, we may just get the respect we desire.
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RE: Articulate Debate
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On 12/3/2003
Sketchmaster
wrote in from
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Chris B: Yes the legislature can approve any legislation it chooses. No it does not require any approval from the courts. This is all part of the separation of powers. The Constitution did not declare anything regarding an ultimate authority so we were locked in a loop regarding constitutionality issues. The Supreme Court decided in Marbury vs. Madison that it has the ultimate authority to decide what the law is and whether or not it passes muster. This is still widely controversial today. It is a serious breach of the concept of separation of powers. So far as I know, those of us who recognize this as a breach have yet to provide a position that solves for the problem the Court was facing at that time.
The short story: Legislatures have review panels that surmise whether or not legislation will pass muster. The legislature can act as it sees fit. If the courts don't like it they act reactively (and not proactively).
Miko: Your assertions fail to address a very serious issue; Whether or not an individual possesses a "magnetic personality". I chalk this up to "funky mojo" since I don't understand how it works but I can assure there are many of us that attract trouble without wanting it. It reminds me of a phrase I coined several years ago when I would get bad vibes and would want everyone to clear out so we didn't get our skulls cracked: "We're having way too much fun. Someone somewhere is p*ssed and is working out a plan for their revenge." Those interested in this subject should read Mark MacYoung's book on E&E.
Don't forget that many of us were forged by hard times and a few years of being left alone aren't going to wipe it all away. I'm sure there are still plenty of children out there getting forged today even though things have mellowed out a lot. We need to cut them some slack.
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articulate debate
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On 12/3/2003 Chris B
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Yeah Lenny, but that's because of the crowd this website attracts. I've read more articles on parts engineering, drafting and aerodynamics here than i did in college...you may not have the same tone on a website like Skull and Bones which attracts a more "intense" crowd, aye?...
Interesting that it all seems to boil down to this:1) The laws are pretty consistent city to city, and are there to keep kids from destroying property with their skateboards, more than preventing them from simply riding skateboards. 2)Every towns going to have one or two gung-ho cops who take it to extremes, but for the most part, they're OK with it. 3)If you treat the guards/cops with respect, or at least kindness, it seems to get returned to you and in some cases they leave you alone. 4)It's best to skate where there are NOT crowd or cars (should go without saying). 5)"Cack" is a word. 6)Laws that ban skating are overkill if taken literally, (of this i will agree). And finally, 7)a law that makes it illegal to have a skateboard (literally a toy in many cases) in your posession in a public place, is quite possibly unconstitutional. Is the cape May issue a city oridinance or a law?....can a city PASS a law without approval from the courts?
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Much needed forum
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On 12/3/2003
Lenny
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Reading this and seeing how quickly it's growing makes me stop and ponder. My big beef with public perception of skaters/skating in general is that we're a bunch of inarticulate goofs (re-enforced by shows like "54321" and "Viva La Bam"), but seeing the level of articlate debate on this subject, one that most would assume we'd see exactly the same, is really refreshing.
Just a side-thought.
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Running...
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On 12/2/2003
Miko
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My logic says that you're acting like a criminal if you run from police, rent-a-cops, security, or any other authority that wants to escort you, arrest you, ticket you, etc. Act like a criminal; get treated like a criminal.
Polite, thoughtful engagement has won me more "second chances" than I would have ever thought possible. In most instances I end up making jokes and having decent exchanges with folks that may have cited me initially. They usually end up admitting that they don't like having to enforce something where there is no clear destruction or danger to others occuring, and/or possibly no one even in the vicinity.
A few times after talking, they've stayed on the hill to watch... (ummm, do paperwork), and drove away waving and stoked after seeing controlled carving slides and a pendulum at 35mph.
I've also found that in many ways, these guys are "interpreting" the law themselves, because the law is vague and ambiguous. Ideas such as no brakes - obstructing traffic - poor visibility due to corners - setting a dangerous example for younger kids (despite the fact that we're fully padded and in helmets, skating skillfully etc.)
When you run, you're running away from a chance to politely confront and discuss something vitally important to keeping skateboarding alive, and probably confirming the bad image (in their mind), that leads to discriminatory crackdowns in the first place.
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Breakin the law
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On 12/2/2003 Smart
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From a bunch of skaters I would have expected a different reaction.
Snowball said it best. "The law is cack".
MOOSE CACK!!
Arab was sort of on target but seemed to actually be supporting laws against skateboarding.
Skateboarding is not a crime.
Vanalism is a crime.
Destruction of public or private property is a crime.
Reckless endangerment is a crime.
You, rolling your fat ass down to Starbucks to spend 4 bucks on a latte is not. (Although it probably should be).
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Va. Beach
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On 12/2/2003 Dave G
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DaveMo..
I'm glad you informed me of that!! I lived there (Indian River Rd.) in '81-82 (winter) and used to bomb the SBH for a release. I've since been taking several folks down the river that are "higher -ups" and even got them Bozi's Abec11's and Randals etc... for cruisin on. One gal was all over the idea, and put me in touch w/ some city officials, and we've spoken re: a race on trashmore!! Maybe they don't have a handle on what it is "WE" desire and need!! Back to the drawing board! How 'bout the hill that goes down by the military base (at the bottom of the hill to the Ave.?)
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Virginia Beach stuff
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On 12/2/2003
David "davmo" Morris
wrote in from
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Hamm,
Yeah Virginia Beach has changed quite a bit since the 80s. About the boardwalk I know you cannot ride your bicycle on it. You now have to ride bikes on the bike path which runs alongside the boardwalk. I see that my son Aaron mentioned skateboarding on the boardwalk with leashes??? I don't know about that one.
Dave Gale,
About Mount Trashmore in Virginia Beach. The huge pile of recreational trash has undergone many changes in recent years. They have "re-capped" the hill with a new layer of clay and covered it with fresh soil and sod. One thing that the city did several years ago was the removal of the old Soap Box Derby Track. Its gone!!! The old SBD track was a nice hill where one could have a pretty good slalom course to run. Paul Dunn told me that he even raced there once years ago. Back in the 1970s I used to ride the crap out of that hill since it was the only hill on any size in Virginia Beach. Also there used to be an old asphault "skatepark'" which was on the other smaller hill. It featured a large bowl that had a horrible surface that could kill you and a smaller snake run which had horrible transitions which dumped into a shallower mellower ditch area. All of this was destroyed by the city years ago.
There is a new Plywood ramp skatepark at Trashmore but its just like every other plywood park you will see. Nothing special. There is word that Va Beach is going to make a large concrete skatepark near the Amp. Theater area of the city in 2005????
One thing certain is the Virginia Beach area needs a Slalom Skateboard event especially since there are so many skateboarders in this area and also the very big "surf culture" which is part of living near the ocean. I am sure that there would be plenty of interest. A slalom event could be held in Virginia Beach possibly in conjunction with the annual Neptune Festival. I was a participant in the very first Neptune Festival Skateboard Contest back in 1976. If the city sponsored a skateboard event then why not now???
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parking in garages
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On 12/2/2003 Chris B
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oh yeah, hc...i always park in the garage i'm skating in, so do the guys i skate with. We figure we have nothing to hide...when it's nice out we all just park on the roof and ride ourside in the open air. But we do this on Sundays when there's no classes and no traffic
And before i forget, snoball, i dont have a great ass and wouldnt look too good in panties ;D
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Parking garages and that pesky snoball
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On 12/2/2003 Chris B
wrote in from
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Sketchmaster, you're right on target....except for the fire breathing dragon part... which rides with hc....we're older and bigger than the kids (and guards) but we just stay polite, figuring they're just doing their job too...Hugh, we keep the same idea as you....we've been asked to leave a university garage once....we DID go back there one time (because it was raining), the guards came around again, but this time they let it slide (maybe because we waved and asked him how his day was?)...For the most part, the idea seems to be the same around the country, stay out of the public eye and dont draw too much attention to any damage you may do, which is apparantly what leads to problems in places like Cape May (which i found out is a 300 year old historical community...they have all KIND of rules and regulations)....keeping it to ourselves is as true now as it was for us in the '70's. And Snoball...heh heh heh... aint nothing wrong with a "spirited conversation"...I'm reading your context, and i'm not smacktalkin' either...everyones entitlesd to an opinion, that's fine....that's what keeps us coming back for more....
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pfft!
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On 12/2/2003 snoball
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Chris, don't get your panties in such a twist.
You don't know me either. If you did, you'd know
I don't just arbitrarily 'attack' people on forums.
CONTEXT my dear, CONTEXT.
Some of you get ridiculously prissy about topics
where ANYONE can hold an opinion.
I think the law is cack. You're not gonna change
that. You think it's fine, terrific. I accept that.
I'm not out to evangelize you and it ain't gonna
happen in reverse. Growed ups understand that when
they discuss things.
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run or walk
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On 12/2/2003 hugh r
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hc... I take the posisition that if you are seen, then it's best just to pick up your stuff and leave quickly and politely. I have done this several times and never had a problem.
If however, you know their looking for you, but haven't found you yet... I sneak out as quickly and quietly as I can!
On more than a few ocassions, I have had guards, rental cops, and real police officers let us know that this next one needs to be our last run. We just smile, wave, say thanks, and skate the structure and bail. My two cents... HR
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run or talk
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On 12/2/2003
hc
wrote in from
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arab, great post,
btw, a question for you all,
we skate a awesome private garage, almost every other time the security catch us and escort us out and threaten to call the cops.
my question, is it better to run from security or be polite and get escorted out?
btw, I park inside the garage sometimes, bad idea?
hc
geocities.com/sk8sanjose
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Parking Garages and Abondoned Pools
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On 12/2/2003
Sketchmaster
wrote in from
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What the general concensus on this thread regarding SPECIFICALLY skating empty garages after hours and abandoned swimming pools that are so neglected that skating can do no further damage? A specific reference I have is regarding swimming pools that we had near Phoenix, AZ that were all abandoned due to the area being condemned for highway construction. They had security guards out there to guard against us skating the pools right up to the day they ripped them out. As far as the muni parking garages go; Screw 'em. My tax dollars paid for the damn thing. When I leave the garage it is no more damaged then when I arrived. There's a lot more to this than what is apparently "illegal". I would question the legality of a fictional premise that put public property in such a legal condition that the public is not allowed to use it for reasonable, non-damaging purposes. Further, we've been attacked physically too many times by overzealous security guards, janitors and cops over the years to let my feelings regarding this die. I do respect private property but when someone was looking to crack your skull no matter where you were or what you were doing, so long as you had a skate it got damned hard to maintain that respect.
In short here's my input to the kids: Skate the crusty old pools at the crappy edge of town. You're not ruining anyones nice pool and you'll have better sessions than getting in a couple of "one hits" and then running for your life. Get a surplussed curb block and plant it on your driveway for short curb work. Never forget that the legendary sessions of the 80's were premised by our trying to get as far out of the public eye as possible. Doing your cartoon character small wheels, big pants thing in a crowded public area is never anything we did and it's not going to get you anywhere.
To the old codgers: Don't forget that the respect that may be afforded to you may not be so willingly dispensed to the children. That respect may well derive from the fact that you are now a 6'2", 220 pound fire breathing dragon. The only way I got security guards to quit beating my ass was to hand them their own.
Yours sincerely in skate: The Master of Sketch
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Va. Beach
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On 12/2/2003 Dave G
wrote in from
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Aaron, I'm working to get a race at Mt. Trashmore! I also want to let you know, You've still got a set of Pleasure Tool Bearings(Abec7) Commin' your way for the great racing you did in West By God Va.
Sorry... I lost track of time, and spoke to your pa' to get the address..(Your were some where even flater)
Enjoy,
Dave G
It can all be done, in a simpler place..
He He He
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Skate where ever when ever
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On 12/2/2003 Chris B
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Snoball.....dont get bent.....looking at some of the names posting here, i'm sure there's more hours of "unsanctioned skate sessions" than you could know. Nobody's saying dont do it....We're saying, it's against the law and if you do it, it's at your own risk. Furthermore, and i dont care who you are or where you are, jackin' up somebody's pool to get your kicks is never REALLY a cool thing to do. It made for great video and the Z-legends were born from there, but those were different times and you cant repeat them. If somebody's got an abandoned pool, you're better off ASKING them if you can skate it....you'd be surprised that sometimes they actually say ok...In fact, since youre so quick to bring up the Z crew, check your history, they were INVITED to skate the dogbowl by the owners. And next time you question the balls, guts or talent of those posting here, think twice...you dont know me...i doubt you know these other skaters either...anybody can be tough on the internet...
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On 12/2/2003
Aaron Morris
wrote in from
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Dave, This Aaron, The other Dave is my dad. They still let you skate down on the board walk, but you have to have a string tied to your board like surf leash. That is what i heard. It might be possible to eventually have a race here on the board walk. Their is about 1 inch expansion gaps to look out for.It is ultra smooth though. Ther are rollerblades alowed though, and they fly up and down thae board walk.
Aaron
Team Turner and Radikal Racing trucks
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VaBeach
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On 12/2/2003
Hamm
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David Morris, I lived in VA Beach for a while in mid '80's and we skated the boardwalk all the time no problem. I guess 20 years will change times. Do they still allow beach cruisers and other bicycles on the Boardwalk??
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pfft!
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On 12/2/2003 snoball
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OK, just remember what some of you are saying the
next time you might get invited to skate 'unauthorized'
pools. Oh, maybe you won't be.
Damn. Good thing the Z crew never trespassed huh?
Yeah. Good thing.
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