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Crack
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On 7/18/2006
Pat Chewning
wrote in from
United States
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Yes it is legal for the police to do that (detain and search with probable cause). They can't do it "without reason".
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crack rocks
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On 7/18/2006 dylan/hsfyc
wrote in from
United States
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okay. so me and some friends were at the skatepark the other day shredding as usual hha. and apparently someone was attempting to sell crack. soo the police come up and immediately tell us to put our hands up against the fence and start patting us down.
now i wanna know if thats like completely legal man cause he totally fondled my buttcheek twice and i was completely innocent been sober all my life.
so the question: is it legal for police to search without reason on public propperty on minors?
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Lebanon Go-Skateboarding Day
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On 6/28/2006
Pat Chewning
wrote in from
United States
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This sheds a little more light on the subject, but it is still unclear what, exactly, the skateboarders are being fined for.
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Daily News, The (Lebanon, PA)
June 23, 2006
Section: Letters to Editor
Skateboarders suffer hassles in city
Editor: Lebanon Daily News
The first day of summer was also National Go Skating Day. Kids were encouraged to grab their skateboards, get outside and have fun. Underground Skates in Lebanon even held an event for the day at its shop at Ninth and Cumberland Streets. Of course, the YMCA had closed the skate park that day for a private party. This is the skatepark that so many kids fought the city to get, and the YMCA has turned this well-deserved park into a money racket. It costs kids $2 every time they want to use the park. For a kid who skates every day even for just a half hour, that's close to $200 dollars that kid pays for the summer. Is that fair?
On that day, the Lebanon police issued close to 30 citations - from what I had counted - to kids riding skateboards.
I am so sick of the adult community and its constant overreactions to skateboarders. What is wrong with the kids enjoying a sport like skateboarding? They could be out doing drugs, commiting crimes, all kinds of things we encourage them not to do. But then they find something that doesn't cause trouble, and you adults still find a way to complain. All of those adults who called the police June 21 and complained about the skateboarders should be ashamed of yourselves. It is completely ridiculous to keep harassing these kids for riding boards. If this is such a terrible problem, then I would like to start filing complaints about kids dribbling basketballs on the city sidewalks. It's so noisy to hear that I can't concentrate on my work.
To the authorities of Lebanon city, get a grip: You gave these kids a skatepark and turned it into a money scheme. Why doesn't the YMCA charge anyone to use that outdoor basketball court?
I congratulate all these young skaters for going out and keeping active, considering there is such a huge issue with childhood obesity and concern over young people not getting outside. You skateboarders are out every day, being told you can't do what you do, and you keep doing it. That's commendable in every way. Maybe the adult community that called the police on you all today at Underground Skates should stop contradicting itself. One minute they want you be active; the next minute they want to take away your activity. Grow up, Lebanon, skateboarding is only growing in popularity, and until Lebanon City makes a worthwile skatepark and doesnt charge the kids their saved allowances to ride in it, these kids are encouraged to keep going out and riding.
Keep skating. There are more of us than there are of them, and eventually they will get tired of wasting paper on $30 fines for skateboarding.
Brandon Gass
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Go skateboarding Day in Lebanon
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On 6/28/2006
Pat Chewning
wrote in from
United States
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It appears to me that the offence the skateboarders are being charged with is for parade without a permit, rather than skateboarding. The skateboarding fine (only applies to the Central Business District) is $15. The parade without a permit fine is $300.
It actually appears that Lebanon has a reasonable skateboard law, allowing use on streets and sidewalks except in the "Central Business District".
Looks to me like the parade participants (who happened to be skateboarding) should have obtained a permit. Get a permit next year.
Perhaps you can fight it saying you were just "skateboarding", not "parading". And if you were in the "Central Business District" and this is your 1st offence, then you won't have a fine.
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http://www.lebanon-pd.com/traffic.pdf
525 .01 DEFINITION .
"Skateboard" means a narrow board approximately two feet long mounted on
rollerskate-type wheels .
(Ord. 24-1990, 91 Sec . 1 . Passed 7-23-90 .)
525.02 PROHIBITED AREAS .
(a)
No person shall operate or use a skateboard in the City's Central
Business District, as shown on Exhibit A attached to original Ordinance 24-1990, 91 .
(b)
In areas other than the Central Business District and at the sole
discretion and responsibility of a parent or guardian, skateboards may be operated on
sidewalks and streets .
(Ord. 24-1990, 91 Sec . 1 . Passed 7-23-90 .)
525 .03 PARENTAL RESPONSIBILITY .
Neither the parent of any minor (person under the age of eighteen) nor the
legal guardian of any minor shall authorize or knowingly permit any such minor to
violate any of the provisions of this article .
(Ord . 24-1990, 91 Sec . 1 . Passed 7-23-90 .)
525.99 PENALTY .
Whoever violates any of the provisions of this article shall, upon conviction
thereof:
(a)
First Offense. The skateboard used in violation of this article shall be
impounded by the Police Department for a period not exceeding fifteen
days ; if the person violating the article is a minor, in addition to the
confiscation of the skateboard as aforesaid, the Police Department shall
notify the parents, guardian or other person having legal custody of such
minor of the violation of this article, the impounding of the skateboard
and a copy of this article .
(b)
Second or Subsequent Offense . The skateboard of any person violating
the provisions of this article for the second or subsequent time shall be
impounded by the Police Department for a period not exceeding thirty
days and such person shall, upon conviction be sentenced to pay a fine of
fifteen dollars ($15 .00) and costs ; in the event such person is a minor,
the skateboard of such minor shall be impounded by the Police
Department for a period not exceeding thirty days and the parent,
guardian or other person having legal custody of such minor shall be,
upon conviction, sentenced to pay a fine of fifteen dollars ($15 .00) plus
costs .
(Ord. 24-1990, 91 Sec. 1 . Passed 7-23-90.)
501 .04 PARADES AND PUBLIC EVENTS, PERMIT REQUIRED.
(a)
No person, lodge, society, group, association, local party or other organization
of any kind shall use the parks, grounds, streets or sidewalks of the City of Lebanon for
parades, gatherings, meetings, public events or demonstrations unless a permit is first obtained
from the City Clerk of the City of Lebanon .
(It)
Whenever any provision of this section is violated, whoever violates such
provision shall be fined not more than three hundred dollars ($300 .00), and costs of
prosecution, and/or may be imprisoned for not more than five calendar days .
(Ord 1-2000, 01 . Passed 2-28-00 .)
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Skateboarding Fines
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On 6/28/2006 Mitch
wrote in from
United States
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PLEASE READ AND REPOST THIS AS A BULLETIN
On June 21, Go Skateboarding Day, the skaters of Lebanon, PA. were out skating the town to raise awareness about Skateboarding and to celebrate Go Skateboarding Day. It was during their cruise around town (on public streets & sidewalks) that over 30 of them were stopped by the police and issued over $10,000.00 in fines (arresting officer told them it would be $300 per skater). They were not on private property and they were not doing tricks, they were simply cruising around town enjoying their sport.
No matter where you are in the United States or elsewhere, if you have an opinion about this please take the time to write a quick e-mail to the City of Lebanon regarding this incident and let them know how you feel.
The e-mail address is cityadmin@lebanonpa.org
Please write Attn. Mayor Anspach & City Council in the subject line and Cc your message to paulbaker@LDNews.com
We must not let the criminalization of our sport continue!
Please repost this to as many myspace friends as possible and ask that they do the same. Thank you for your time.
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The law, me and my skateboard
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On 6/27/2006
Stubbs
wrote in from
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I don't run when I see cops coming my way. I'm older than most cops, own my own business in downtown Dallas (so I'm REALLY a tax payer) and I welcome conversation with the police. It offers up the opportunity to show them how intelligent skateboarders can be. It usually ends with the cops laughing about me still riding a skateboard at age 39. A cop once told me after he had stopped me late at night and found out I was not stirring crap, "Have fun on that thing. Don't make me write you any tickets." My response: "I'll take that ticket......as long as it's for speeding." He just laughed and shook his head. It pays to be old at times.
http://x2.putfile.com/6/17410222632.jpg
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run
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On 6/26/2006 kyle
wrote in from
United States
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dude, regarless of if any damage you may or may not have done, when the fuzz rolls by with their sirens, you run. because there is always that chance you get stuck with a skater-hating cop and like whatever his name is back there you may have to go to court just to get your board back. keep skating.
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skating in public places
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On 6/23/2006
KC
wrote in from
United States
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Skateboarding in public places shouled be allowed cause adults get pissed at kids like me for trespassing and they wonder why kids do it. GET IT THROUGH YOUR HEADS YOU FAGG ADULTS LET US SKATE IN PUBLIC PLACES AND WE WONT TRESPASS DAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU SPECIALY U GOD DAMN COPS!!!!!!!!!!
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definition of "skateboard"
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On 6/12/2006
sc
wrote in from
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My favorite dictionary definition of "skateboard" is, "A flat, wheeled toy, upon which a child sits or stands.”
In Los Angeles County, the law states:
15.08.185 Skateboard.
"Skateboard" means any board or any other object or device which has wheels attached to it by any means whatsoever and which is propelled by pushing, pulling, or gravitational forces, and to which there is not affixed any device or mechanism for steering. (Ord. 12259 § 1, 1980: Ord. 6544 Ch. 1 Art. 2 § 1222, 1954.)
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having your own ramp in Alb. NM
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On 6/10/2006 jimmie
wrote in from
United States
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Would it be better for me to have people sign waivers or would it be better if just post skate at your own risk and no trespassing signs? Do you guys know the laws on this?My wife and I would really like to know what would be the better way to protect ourselves from a lawsuit and still let people come and skate.
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Seattle Sucks
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On 6/6/2006
Whatever
wrote in from
United States
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"...or engage in any sport, amusement or
exercise or play in the roadway of ANY street."
So I guess pumping out a load in the car is verboten too?
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Seattle Law
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On 6/6/2006 Deano
wrote in from
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This is where is lawyers come into play...
I read the law to apply to arterials but to other streets as the last sentence states:
"...or engage in any sport, amusement or
exercise or play in the roadway of ANY street."
I guess it is up to the cop to write the ticket and it is up to us to fight them.
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Seattle law only applies to
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On 6/2/2006
Pat Chewning
wrote in from
United States
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The Seattle law you cited only applies to "arterial" streets. These are usually the wider streets with designated crosswalks. Here is a map:
http://clerk.ci.seattle.wa.us/~codepics/1118010A.gif
The way I read it, you are still allowed to ride on the other streets, which are not "arterials".
As far as the crosswalk goes, I think the law very clearly states that you ARE allowed to be on your skateboard while in the crosswalk on an arterial street.
-- Pat
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thanks for seattle info
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On 5/27/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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deano, thanks! thats exactly what I was lookin' for. not that I really *like* to see in legalese that seattle SMC regards skateboards alongside "toys", but oh well, its better to be fully educated on the RCWs and SMCs the next time I run into a cop like this one, in that kind of scenario--and I can see it happening again soon. Amos, no this doesn't really occur too often, I think most of the cops have tolerated it in the past, looked the other way, etc...but I can definately see trying to put through legislation to get something going like Portland has...
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Seattle Laws
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On 5/26/2006 Deano
wrote in from
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Here are the Seattle Ordinances regarding skateboarding...
SMC 11.40.250 Playing in streets.
No person upon roller skates, or riding in or by means of any coaster,
skateboard, toy vehicle or similar device, shall go upon the roadway
of any arterial street or transit coach route, except while crossing
such street at a crosswalk; or engage in any sport, amusement or
exercise or play in the roadway of any street.
SMC 11.40.255 Use of skateboards or roller-skates on sidewalk
or public path.
Every person using a skateboard or roller-skates upon any sidewalk or
public path shall use the same in a careful and prudent manner and at
a rate of speed no greater than is reasonable and proper under the
conditions existing at the point of operation, taking into account the
amount and character of pedestrian traffic, grade and width of
sidewalk or public path, and condition of surface, and shall obey all
traffic-control devices. Every person using a skateboard or
rollerskates upon a sidewalk or public path shall yield the
right-of-way to any pedestrian thereon.
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Seattle adn Toys
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On 5/26/2006
Deano
wrote in from
United States
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Peters,
There is no RCW that calls skateboards toys but there is a Seattle ordinance which addresses the issue. About 20 years ago I was placed in the back of a cruiser and forced to read the law. Whether or not a crosswalk for a bike path constitutes a "roadway" is the question.
Tad, Dennis and Danno have received tickets for this within the City limits of Seattle. I think Tad's was $110.
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seattle skateboarding
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On 5/26/2006
amos
wrote in from
United States
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have you run into this often? i've just transfered to uw, and i've heard good stories and bad stories about seattle cops. it hurts me when they don't care about the cyclists - being both, i don't understand why skateboarders are still looked down upon while wearing more protection and generally (in my experience, at least with my friends) being safer than your everyday ride your bike around towners.
get in touch.
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and I thought Seattle was progressive
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On 5/26/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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I was about to longboard across a controlled intersection yesterday with a large group of bikes, on my standard commute path, which this day was being controlled by a single police officer as part of a burke-gilman trail "detour" route just north of the Fremont bridge. We were all in the designated "bike lane" on one side, crossing the street in a straight line to where the "bike lane" continued.
Well, this particular officer stopped me, and said I couldn't ride across the street with the bikes, instructing me to instead cross another pedestrian crosswalk, then ride the sidewalk (which is obviously safer of course, slaloming inches between pedestrians and inches from the openings of businesses...) When I asked him if this is based on a Washington State RCW, he just said my skateboard was a "toy and not a vehicle" then after I had crossed the crosswalk and waiting my turn for the next light (I had to make an "L" shaped path to make it across the road now) he barked to me across the intersection "...the ordinance is called 'playing in the street'..." I just looked at him, knowing karma typically takes care of things like this.
But does The MAN have a case here? I've googled and looked through WA RCW's and can't find where bike commuter lanes restrict skateboards from use. I have seen the verbage "toy" versus vehicle on smaller ordinances, like campuses, but not the state street laws. I know in Portland OR the thinking is highly progressive, and there are actually designated *skateboard* commuter lanes...
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yeah
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On 5/14/2006
Billy Cash
wrote in from
United States
(68.105.nnn.nnn)
Yea but shes not a rent a cop man shes the owner of the mobohome park and I was trust passing. W/e she is gay I think I am going to get a bunch of my friends together and just walk though there while holding our sk8 boards and she cant do nothing about it because we wernt sk8ing. People can just be asses these days.
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yeah
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On 5/11/2006 rebel sk8er
wrote in from
United States
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what a bunch of pussy who cares skate anyway. Dont be listening to some damn
rent-a-cop.
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People hate sk8ers why
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On 5/8/2006
Billy Cash
wrote in from
United States
(68.105.nnn.nnn)
Yea just today I was skating this mobohome park that has this dranage ditch that doesnt have a fence or anything and this lady that owns the park told me what i was doing in her park. I told her I was skating and having some fun thats all.And then she goes off on me telling me she will press charges on me and says Whats your name and I told her my name. I then told her I will leave and I am sorry for skating in her park. But I don't think she heard me because she interupted me and told me she called the cops and what I was doing was rude. I really don't care if she did or didn't call the cops because I know that most people see sk8ers as punks looking for trouble. And I really don't want sk8ing to be like that but thats how people see sk8ing. I was nice to the lady but she was just plain rude to me and she asked for my name address phone number and age. I was totally mad that she asked for this because It wasnt nessary and I told her I would leave and never come back which I would. I sk8 at this spot for months and this lady is just now realizing that I was sk8ing there. It doesn't matter what type of sk8ing you are doing people are just jerks to sk8ers. I love to sk8 sk8 parks but I just find that the street is better to sk8 than most parks. Idk why i just like it more. I get yelled at all the time for sk8ing certain places. I just leave peacefully and I don't come back if they ask me not to. Another thing you don't want to do is jump over a fence to sk8 somewhere because u can get into alot of trouble.
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looppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp
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On 5/8/2006 gtfyrtfg
wrote in from
United States
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sut up
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Parents won't let me street skate
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On 5/7/2006
Billy Cash
wrote in from
United States
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Where do u live jeffrey.
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PARENTS WONT LET ME STREET SKATE
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On 5/7/2006 Jeffrey
wrote in from
United States
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I was skating downtown and some cops pulled up and took me and my friends boards. I have to go to court to get it back. My parents talked to the cops and they told her it was illeagal to skateboard anywhere on private/government property. Now my parents wont let me street skate. MY SUMMER IS GOING TO SUCK! how can i get them to let me skate? please help me!
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Don't be Jelous
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On 4/20/2006
Squid
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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Just to tease you yanks...in this country it is illegal to ride on the pavement - that’s it!!! There are certain designated areas that are out of bounds - private property is the general rule (I.E no skating down the stairs of someone’s office block!) but apart from that I can skate down a big hill and there isn't a damn thing leagally they can do about it...It's an unmoterised vehicle that would be dangerous on the pavement - in saying that having a big gob(English slang for mouth) has meant a few run in's with the Old Bill (English slang for the coppers) where they try and give me grief, if my usual argument doesn't work I point out that if they saw me cruising the pavements at 25+ MPH they would really have a problem with that and they tend to leave it - even had an old bill want to try the board! As for security guards over here they haven't got any power and most importantly no guns!!! Maybe you guys should start to point out to people with guns that it is not there right under the American constitution that they can own a gun for any other reason than raising a militia against the government and if they do own a gun for another reason well that’s not constitutional but Federal, maybe if you could get guns taken out of the equation those pesky security guards wouldn't be as much trouble....
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