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| Q&A: Chris Yandall on Skogging (417 Posts)
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5K time postings
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On 1/9/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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Alrighty then, let's get some ballpark figures. I'll attempt to get some this week. It's about 3 miles so figure if you're going 30mph you can do 3 miles in 3 minutes. 15mph would be 6 so our times should be around 10 minutes, eh?
Chris Yandall
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Do it, or Lose it
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On 1/9/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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I'm finding unicycles a better method of keeping one's balance intact for skogging. Obviously anything that requires extreme balance like bongo boards etc, is good but all in all, if you're going to skog, just get on your board and do it!
My next post will have some pics
cYa
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5k Skogging time?
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On 1/7/2006
Marc F
wrote in from
United States
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Anyone have a flatland 5k skogging time? The average runners time in a 5k is around 20 to 23 minutes. The lead runners usually run a 15 to 16 minute 5k. I would be intersted in knowing a 5k skogging time.
Marc F.
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home grown balance board
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On 1/6/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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36"x10" chunk of plywood and leftover grip tape, then strong PVC sewer pipe with 1-sided rubber sticky tape wrapped around the roller. works great...
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Balance....
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On 1/6/2006 silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
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A good way to improve your balance, besides skating, is to use an indo board or
a vew-do board. I've been using one during the off season and it's fun. I wont know until spring if it's really helped much or not, but I think it will.
Balance boards are used by many athletes in their training and in rehab progams
as well.
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Hope for me yet...
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On 1/6/2006
Russell Heilling
wrote in from
Portugal
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Well I definitely lean towards the left hemisphere in my thinking, so I can take hope in that ;)
I've taken quite a while looking at the vids on skogging.com I certainly think I'm getting more of a handle on the technical aspect of how to do it - now I just need to work on getting the darn grey matter to cope better with the balance trasitions ;)
btw, I found the take on alternate leg pushing while walking a longer board in Keith Johnson's surface motion pages interesting:
http://www.surfacemotion.com/skate/footbase/soup/crstep_int2.html
I just need to spend as much rolling time as I can out of my comfort zone so I can round out my balance.
Cheerz,
Russell
P.S. Not sure why the site is saying I'm in portugal... I'm in the UK! :)
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the traps there, hit it!
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On 1/6/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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"get a trap going for those who must capture some kind of record :D" - You must be talking about that Chaput guy -- be sure he runs the trap in both directions for the official time, ok? ;-)
Not only are goofy/mongo pushing switches tricky -- when you're Skumping try goofy/standard pump switching!! All kinds of new ways to fall off your board!
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imitation skogging
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On 1/6/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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for russel, just go to skogging.com and look at the very slow moving transition from side to side. the secret of skogging has to do with a total weight shift perception. while switching feet for pushing, your weighting perception within microseconds must rotate from both hemispheres of your brain. i have noticed the left brained people have an easier time with it. i guess we could do some psychoanalysis on properly firing off the proper neurons to make skogging easier but f*ckit!, practice make perfect. FALL a few times. You aint getting 4' vert off a pool wall! it's not that dangerous!
as for skogging up a hill. brilliant! great exercise. but dude, get your skogging wings greased.
i probably didnt answer your question but i had fun responding. i'm off for a skog this morning in mission bay d'anzo cove to seaworld. it's a glorious morning to get a workout before i start my day.
and high on the list is to get a trap going for those who must capture some kind of record :D like skiiing, the racers pushed the sport and as of today we hae "shaped" skiis. who knows what will fall out from our pursuit of flatland skateboard self-generated speed records.
cheerz matez!
Chris Yandall
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Learning drills?
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On 1/6/2006
Russell Heilling
wrote in from
Portugal
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I feel like a total newbie around here, which at just shy of 31 doesn't happen much in skate forums ;)
I took up skating again about 9 months ago after a break of about 15 years. I have a number of flats and downhills on my way to and from the train for work, so it's ideal for starting and ending the day with a bit of stoke :)
I want to try skogging for the uphill sections, but so far my skating progress has mainly been getting my normal stance balance back and developing normal stance skills like foot braking, carving, pumping, etc. My switch stance balance is abismal and my ability to mongo push is even worse so skogging seems like a long way away at the moment...
Does anyone have any advice for any practise drills that might make learning progress a bit faster?
Also, as I see it there are a couple of alternatives for skogging methods:
1. Push with back foot, return to position on back of board, push with front foot, return to the front (alternate between regular push and monging)
2. Push with back foot, position next to front foot, pivot and push with other foot (alternate between normal and switch stance)
1. seems like it would be easier to learn, and probably more stable at higher speeds, but the cross and pivot action in 2 seems like it would help me work towards one of my other current skating goals - being able to walk my 60" deck.
Am I trying to take on too much?
Cheerz,
Russell
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wmf exploit etc
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On 1/5/2006 peters
wrote in from
United States
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MS announced there won't be an official patch until Jan 10th, but this ComputerWorld story provides a couple links that may be helpful, at least to those who feel okay poking into the registry: http://www.computerworld.com/blogs/node/1495
Note, the WMF exploit will not be invoked by simply running a WMV file, but any browser or file explorer that displays "preview" images of video files executes it (so it happens with mpeg, mpg, mov, mp4, etc...) nasty stuff.
Here's the trap times posted on pumping forum so far. The pump setup was possibly too long and not optimal for the sprint distance IMHO. Pushing wins in the short run!
JS pushing - 16.9 mph (7.1sec), lightweight drop deck, w/Exkate wheels.
JP pushing - 16.2 mph (7.4sec), rollsrolls w/Randal 150s and 101s.
JP pumping - 14.8 mph (8.1sec), LBL w/CarverCX's and 75mm Avilas.
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silver comments
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On 1/5/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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there's a wmf exploit out that requires a MS update just new on their site. once i get that on, i'll have a peek on the video.
as for pushing vs pumpin speed, pushing seems to be the call. at least for our brief test. and yes. ooops. we should've got some video. time to pull a session? who's down? mission beach on a weekday would be prime. the boardwalk as of tonight sucked with sand from the recent high surf. didnt stop me from kickin' it down for a quick 5 miler. ahhh. yes!
more to come ....
cYa
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Skogging setup?
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On 1/5/2006
Marc F.
wrote in from
United States
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Chris, this skogging sounds really cool. We have a newly paved road for jogging that is mostly flat that goes for 5 miles so I will have to try it out. What setup are you using? Do you switch feet every time you push or do you push a few times with one foot and then switch?
Marc F.
PS: I just bought your signature model, it's great!!
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Trap: Push vs. Pump
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On 1/4/2006
silversurfer
wrote in from
United States
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Chris - have you seen peters trap video, Push vs. Pump?
It's really cool. http://home.comcast.net/~jampet99/images/trap.wmv
Chris for a trap run would you skog or use one foot pushing for short sprint?
Obviously for distance skogging or skumping would be the way to go.
Too bad you didn't get any video of you and Chaput doing the Trap.
That would have been nice to have on your site. Maybe it's not too late?
Chaput might want to try out his new Zig Zag wheels on the trap and he'll
prolly break the record on them, if he tries.
Good luck with the dropped board and let us know what set ups you experiment
with. They are fun for skogging, super stable and easy to push.
For skumping a nice cambered deck like your 38 special would be great.
Let us know when you have more boards available.
Skoggers and skumpers need good equipment! Chaputs doing wheels, you could do
some more decks!
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Noble x-country Efforts
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On 1/4/2006
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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I agree for long distance peddaling lower boards rock but when you skump, the lower boards are not as much fun to pump. 10 miles is a short distance for many of you but for me, down a nice smooth boardwalk, I'm liking the cambered/concave laminates for a 10 mile skog to keep me in shape and SATISFY my appetite to smoke up some cement.
I'll get a lower board and give it a good go.
Thanks for the discussion.
cYa
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RollsRolls
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On 1/4/2006
Jack
wrote in from
United States
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Yes, we used the RollsRolls on the 2003 "Skate Across America". I am absolutely convinced that drop center decks are a must for long distance skating.
I am planning to do a solo crossing of America within the next two years, this time from east to west. I want to deal with the traffic and congestion on the first part of the trek and enjoy the wide-open roads of the west during the latter part.
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low riders
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On 1/4/2006
peters
wrote in from
United States
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These are some low CG boards I usually reserve for pushing excursions on wet days, or when the terrain is gravelly/unpredictable and not conducive to pumping. Recently busted 'em out again to test some Trap times.
home.comcast.net/~jampet99/rides/gear01.html#Pushing
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Board choice
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On 1/4/2006
Patrick
wrote in from
United States
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I have been using a Flexdex 40 to skag and peddle less. I use it downhill if the hill I nothing and over the flats if I am skating a distance course of hills. I like doing double pumps down wide hills to set up slides for scrubbing speed. What Im using now are Randalls and Kryptos. It looks like you guys are using salomn boards. Any preferance? Oner more thing, on your site Chaput is talking about getting up to twenty. I assume that means you get a push to start cause starting still is a pain in the ass. Whats the deal with the competitions?
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Skoggin Rules!!
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On 1/4/2006
Darren
wrote in from
United Kingdom
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No Way I have been "Skoggin" for years and didn't even know there had been a name coined for it.. I took to learning to push with the other foot when I hurt my knees and had to make do with the most basic of skateboarding..So then what does everyone reckon is the more powerful way to push? Mongo or Regular? I say mongo for top speed and Regular for quicker acceleration (Well thats what I have discovered after loosing many a Downhill race from pushing regular and not switching to the almighty "mongo"
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lowered boards
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On 1/4/2006
Erin
wrote in from
Canada
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I have asked the question about lowered boards a few times already myself. It just makes more sense for long distance alternate leg pushing. The lower CG is not only more stable but also much easier on the knees. Those of us in the "50's and over" club need to be thinking about this a little more as we keep our long term skating goals in mind!
I am finding that my cf/wood Landy DH set up with wheels no larger than 76mm, I'm currently running gumballs, is a very comfortable choice for long, smooth, fast alternate leg pumping on the flats. On rolling terrain this board can handle 35 kmph downhills with total confidence so again it is my first choice when doing my 20 km 'workout' skate which includes hill bombs, flatland alternate leg pushing and some great 'interval training' type uphill pushes as well.
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Lower Boards??
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On 1/3/2006 Rob
wrote in from
United States
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Wow, that's great that you use originals! I was skating a 48" with orginals on the bike path's last summer and I thought I was going crazy and couldn't explain why I liked it so much.
I was wondering what you think of lowered/dropthrough boards for long distance riding though, for the whole ease of pushing, etc? I used a lowered Landyatchz DH race for the Central Park race last year (8 miles) because I wanted the stability for the downhill sections, and noticed it was alot easier to push, but the concave killed my feet over time. I currently have a friend building me a flat dropthrough board for downhill/long distance.
I also noticed that Jack Smith and his crew used Rolls Rolls on the Skate across America, and Adam Colton used dropped platform boards on his long distance trip too.
I was just wondering what your opinion is on this type of board for skogging?
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Rene's pic "samoan squat cheater 5"
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On 12/31/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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Hi Rene! you big ball of skating love :D
I'll catch up with you at the ASR.
when you come down, i'll show you a good skog. i'll buy the sodas!
talk to me Rene'! NICE seeing you still on your board. skaters over 50 are endangered species. i hope more of us senior citizen skaters keep in shape for our industry that is definitely maturing.
cYA
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You old Skogger you........
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more old school ....
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On 12/30/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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:D
the speed is like taking an aspirin when dealing with irate spouses!
i'ma love ZUKI!!!
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Skogger
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On 12/29/2005 Old school images
wrote in from
United States
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"skateboard trucks" and old eyes
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On 12/28/2005
Chris Yandall
wrote in from
United States
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woops. i need to reread my stuff before I post.. :D
my english is not so good :P
cYa
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