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KHRT
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On 12/5/2001 Boardman
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Re garding the mojo powder:
"if he touch that, he die"
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Zombiefied
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On 12/5/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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Kolchak: Smoke and mirrors dood...
...if that don't work mojo powder will have to do.
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The Night Stalker
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On 12/5/2001
Kolchak
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The whole slalom thing is kind of hysterical. I just can't believe how many skaters we dug up in California alone. It's like dawn of the dead or something. So once the graveyard is empty the Zombies have to go out and get more people Zombiefied. How are we going to do that? And how can we pool our resources and vendors together to do that?
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cfavero's slalom race to the finish
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On 12/4/2001 lbk
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now we talking just for fun
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Knucklehoods
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On 12/4/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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Yeah! The last man standing wins!
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khrt
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On 12/4/2001
cfavero
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hey lbk,that pool contest sounded like tons of fun,wish i was there.you know,skating is really about shining rules.i propose a downhill/slalom format where any thing goes.you know,rocks ,tacks,missles,sticks,whatever.we would all have our own protective gear,gasmasks,motocross chestplates,hell,maybe even bullet proof vests.the winner would be not who is fastest,but who finishes.cf
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Bigmouth Racing
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On 12/4/2001 Boardman
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Just thoughts. I am not trying to step on anyones toes. I personaly think it would be classic to see "Bulky" on the podium myself. I just see an amazing amount of politics involved with all this. I think I will bow out graciously and shut my trap. I just wanna race.
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On 12/4/2001 Mr x
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JD ssssssssshhhhhh!,You're blowing our cover
Enjoy,
Mr.y & Mr. z
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USSSF & Vert
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On 12/4/2001 lbk
wrote in from
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loneskater,
Thanks for reading my posts and commenting on them. It might not be obvious but I think we are going in the same general direction on slalom skateboarding. I understand what you are getting at.
The vert stuff I posted was just to try to get some responses going. Hell I was involved in an oddity this past June, a pool contest we held at the Vans Skatepark in Northern VA. It was put on by Surfrider Foundation's Washington DC Chapter & ECRW (look them up on your search engine) The contest was done in an open jam format. A total grassroots thing. Trophies were painted chunks of coping from an old bowl in the area. The winners got to choose from tons of donated prizes that were zip tied on the park fence. The guy who won first place selected the "any size tattoo" as his prize. It was a blast. And guess was there to help out with judging? You guessed it, GBJ.
Well, If you can't make it out to the Gathering, then it's cool. We will get to ride & race sometime else.
Peace,
DR
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knucklehead
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On 12/4/2001 JD
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Don't exist??!..DON'T EXIST?!??!!??....whad-a-ya mean we don't exist!!....Psycholoyd ..say it ain't so.
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Knucklehead dis-organization
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On 12/4/2001
psYch0Lloyd
wrote in from
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arab: At GGP you had received what amounted to be our only piece of uniform being distributed at the time, it doesn’t matter now, you probably forgot all about it. It was NOS so probably worth something on ebay anyway. My point is, sometimes you do get sumthin' fer nuttin’. Good thing we don't really exist otherwise you'd have to disavow any knowledge of us. It wouldn’t be easy to put a label on what we are or even describe us anyway...
...Knucklehead!
Sh out out to Garry "Goofy" Ryan of Goofy Graphics, Morro Bay, CA!!!
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Olympics
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On 12/4/2001
slappy
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I'm with Jack on the Olympics.
Did the Olympics kill windsurfing or mountain biking?
No one who participates in those sports thinks,'Gee, if we could only pull out of the Olympics and bring back the soul.'
The souls of those sports are still on any trail or body of water with some wind.
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USSSF
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On 12/4/2001
GBJ
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John, With years of experience under my belt as the Business Manager of a small national trade association in the United States, I think I have a fairly decent grasp on what it takes and how much it costs to run a similar organization in this country. There is also the question of what the organization intends to do and provide for its' members that plays very heavily on the expense side of the budget. I'd be glad to hear anything Jani has to add, but ultimately the failure of the ISSA to prosper or even survive will have a significant impact on the perceived value of their suggestion.
One of the things the USSSF will almost certainly be doing is the convening of a Rules Committee. I would think that the USSSF Rules Committee would be foolish to discard completely some of the valuable rules work done by the ISSA. Whether any rules produced by that committee will ultimately bear any resemblance to the ISSA rules will be up to the members of that committee, which means we'll just have to wait and see.
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International Skateboard Slalom Association
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On 12/4/2001
John Gilmour
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Actually ISSA was not formed until 1990 the ski gates were just part of the lack of standards that existed before then.
I had the membership scale from ISSA wrong. They had two schedules of dues. The East paid less than the west due to their weaker currencies. A western supporter paid $20, a active copetitor paid $50 and a Pro paid $150. It would be interesting to have Jani comment on how much it takes to run an organization and what their costs were so we could use this knowledge to help construct a dues structure.
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Olympics
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On 12/4/2001
Jack
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Boardman, do you really believe that an event held once every four years would kill the "soul of our sport"?
I too respect Olson's skating and his image. Is it right for the Olympics? I don't know if it's right but it sure would give the announcers something to talk about. I would much rather see Olson on the victory stand than the "no-class" 100 meter US sprinters who posed and made complete fools of themselves during the last Olympics.
The USOC did seriously consider including skateboarding for the '84 games.
Do you think that skaters are the only athletes who participate in the "extracurricular activities" you mention?
I have a buddy who was on the '72 Olympic track and field team...you wouldn't believe the stories he has told me. Ever hear of a guy named "Pre"?
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USSSF
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On 12/4/2001
loneskater
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lbk, i don't know what the deal is, i just don't want to see that I can't race if i don't belong or make a series. i can't afford to make a series of races and i am certainly not good enough to get paid to race. i would support GBJ's or any organization that helps slalom. $25 easy, $50 high probability,and volunteer to help no problem. if you knew me you would know i am a hands on kind of guy. i don't shirk from labor. apples to oranges, vert is not dead, i can show you a bunch of youngsters that rip and never been in a contest or care to be. the X games are an exibition. i never watched them. i would rather spend my time riding. there are numerous good areas with vert in the U.S. some you gotta pay (Vans), and many you don't (Burnside). vert is a soul/feeling thing. yes it can be judged, but i don't have to be in a contest to have fun with other skaters. as far as the underground it will always be that is the purity of it. Slalom is different. racing itself is fun.
i will say this, i will watch what FCR does, they have alot of experience and trust them to do the right thing. i know GBJ wants this with all his heart, he believes in slalom.
i am contracted to work april and may 2002, so i may be out of the loop for a little bit but i will be around. George.
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The new improved organization
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On 12/4/2001 Jimmy Vegas
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Jimmy Vegas hates competition, all he likes doing is finding a good hill and coasting down it on his sector 9 (thats right..sector 9) board. Thats what this club is about...no rules, no morals only downhill.
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On 12/4/2001 Boardman
wrote in from
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JG - Thanks for the great post and enlightenment. I am reborn in slalom and was unaware of the ISSA happenings. The lodging issues (I'll bet there were some wicked happenings in those dorms) are a very nice idea. It also sounds as if they did have it together. 3 groups of racing in 1 day? That's insane!
I am not closed minded (even though my previous post implied it) and I am opening up to ideas.
As far as the Olympic thing. Do you think Olson would be a good US rep for Olympics? I don't even think he would consider it. But maybe I am wrong as the man is incredible. This takes me back to IMAGE. The USOC is not gonna even consider a scraggly bunch of skaterats for an Olympic event, much less the "extracurricular activities" we are known to indulge in. As far as I am concerned, Olympic scale racing would KILL the soul of our sport ( sorry, Jack)
Let's race some more!!!!!!
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khrt
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On 12/4/2001 cfavero
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to put some spin on a infamous quote from john kruk,"i'm not an athlete,i'm a skater"cf
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ISSA...I was there
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On 12/4/2001
Martin
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Myself, Clingfilm and Paul Price skated in the ISSA organized European Championships in Paris 1980 and Tarby, Sweden in 1987. (Tony Magnussen who did so well at La Costa was in the Vert event representing Sweden!)
At the first event, we had a situation where no one knew exactly what to expect and the Italians put up a ski-style GS with double gates, delays/banana gates and blind gates. It was so confusing to us Brits to see double the gates that were necessary that we all DQ'd except one of our freestylers who made it because he went super slow!
It was a waste of time so the team (aged 17-20)went to the supermarket, bought wine for $0.75 a bottle and hung out with the German schoolgirls in our hotel instead....Oh happy days!
At the '87 event the ISSA was in full effect with the contest organized by Jani Soderhall. Everything was perfect, we knew what to expect roughly as far as courses went and better still with 3 people from different countries chosen at random setting the course it didn't favour any one group of skaters. This worked much better than the snowboard racing equivalent where at each comp one of the Team coaches is chosen at random, because he then just sets what his racers have been practicing and what favours their strengths!
Notice how there is nothing like local knowledge of the site of a race?...How many people in the top 16 had ridden that hill at La Costa several times before and didn't have to go through the hassle, and sometimes loss of skin, working out which wheels worked BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY knew roughly what type of course to expect and prepare for?
The same can obviously be said for any of the recent contests I have been to (Cambria,Da Farm,Revere),with the locals doing very well with that extra little edge. There is no way to take away the home advantage, and why should we, but you can even the playing field by making the course the variable factor, albeit within guidelines....
Martin.
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World Freestyle Skateboard Association
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On 12/4/2001
Bob "steel wheel" Staton
wrote in from
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Greetings,
I' m very interested in the formation of a central slalom organization. I spent 2 hours this morning writing a
post on the slalom page about this whole issue of
organization and how the WFSA has delt with the
very things you here are questioning. We have an interest in slalom as part of our vision and goals,
please go over to the slalom page and read my post
from this mornrig. I have suggested having a Summit
Meeting of organizers past ,present, and fiture that have an interests in the slalom community.
Thank you.
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organization/clubs
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On 12/3/2001
hc
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After been involved in slalom this year, it's nice to see a push for the forming of a organization. In many ways, this online community, aka the ncdsa, is already the organizer of the the slalom/downhill community.
One thing I would like to see is the development of regional clubs using an online database that would allow members to easily keep tract of each other. Newcomers to the sport can contact their regional club to meet up with fellow riders.
For an example of this, check
http://www.footbag.org/clobs/index
(individual member can form their own club page with contact infos and members list)
I also think this club database should not be purely slalom oriented but other forms of downhill skating as well.
my 2 cents.
hc in San Jose, skating the parking garages.
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ISSA
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On 12/3/2001
John Gilmour
wrote in from
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Gesmer recently went to Jani Soderhall's house (former ISSA president and founder). I think it is fair to say that when a sport starts up there are many different formats. ISSA just tried to unify the formats somewhat without being overly limited as to the description of each format. They somehow managed to keep the club feel and yet make the events run at a professional level.
They often got 3 slalom events done in in a single day with about 50 competitors for each event including qualifying runs. One of the events was ussually a dual event. In some cases there were more than 3 events in a single day.
Yet there was still time to hang out. Chill, and watch.
ISSA wanted the accommodations to be covered only for one reason. Without free accommodations the Eastern Block countries could not afford to compete. Usually the free accommodations consisted of bunks in a school house- or some youth hostel type accommodation. It never seemed to cost the promoter anything- often the town just let the contestants use the facilities because they knew it would bring tourism (spectator) dollars to the town. If you wanted to stay in a nicer place you paid- or hooked up with a friendly local family. But even if you just wanted to come and compete and had no money except for your entry fee- you could afford it. It also meant you were assured accommodation even if you showed up on a whim or dare.
The reason for having three people picked at random from 3 different countries to set the course was to ensure a course would be set that could be run by the majority of the participants. That worked most of the time- only at one race did it heavily swing one way (tight and technical)- at The Jeux Pyreneens D'Aventure which was funded by the French and Spanish Olympic Committees in 1993 to evaluate slalom skateboarding for entrance into the games. Unfortunately the Olympic Committee and French Skateboarding Federation did not follow the ISSA rules and the event was a Double tight technical course set on flat. As a result perhaps the Committees were not so impressed.......but if you set a downhill ski course on a flat slope what would you expect? Sad also that the only ISSA race which Paul Dunn and Beau Brown attended was not run according to ISSA race course requirements and frankly though the largest race was the far from the best racing.
Chris Yandall did attend a race in Hombrectikon Switerland- it would be great if he were to offer a second opinion to the quality of the racing and racers and the organization. He even attended an ISSA Meeting.
Ironically ISSA and the French Skating Federation got an award from the Olympic Committees for being the best organized. They were the best organized at the Jeux Pyreneens games but not nearly as well as at their other ISSA races.
ISSA was a group formed by skaters to represent the needs and wants of the skaters and not for big sponsors- or industry. The members had even less money than the people in our group. If you wanted to participate in an ISSA race you paid the entry fee and if you weren't a member you paid an extra $25 for a yearly membership that got you a t-shirt- hat, and a years worth of the mags. If you won money in the race your membership was upgraded to "pro" and an addittional $15 was taken from your prize money. Once Pro you were always a PRO. To stretch hte ISSA dollars the T-shirts, hats and publishing was all done in the Easern Block countries using western hard currency.
This small organization- mostly it seemed run by a dedicated group of Swedes- managed to get our sport in front of the Olympic committees, get 45 skaters paid airfare and hotel rooms and food for a week with Olympic style opening and closing ceremonies and parties. Pretty impressive I thought.
Every country had a representitive and there were meetings before and after each contest to discuss how to improve the format. Everything was decided democratically by vote. The meetings were short- ussually about 45 or so minutes.
ISSA had a lot of respect for the USA and looked to the USA for leadership and new Equipment. Unfortunately slalom was in total hibernation in the USA. No one was happier to see Americans attend the contests than the Europeans, as the USA was the inventor of the sport it lent a sort of authenticity to their contests to have Americans there.
I'm sorry that so many people yell at me for "living in the past" about ISSA, and I am sorry that some people might feel threatened by a well run organization that did so on a shoe string budget. It doesn't change the great time I had racing over there and the strong comeradery amongst racers that was felt- even if you couldn't speak the same language. All the meetings were held in English and the Magazine- SLALOM!- was published in English. Often broken English, yet that lent it a certain endearing flavor.
Articles were contributed by skaters- translation was done as needed.
It would be great if GBJ, Hester, Don O'Shei, Jack Smith, Peter Camann, Marcus Reitema, and Gary Fluitt, could have raced a few ISSA races and met Jani Soderhall. IMHO I think everyone would have appreciated the meeting. I think Jani raced Hester once.
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Knucklehead Welcoming Committee
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On 12/3/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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Well a few more days have passed and it would seem that the memories of La Costa aren’t ever going to go away. Injuries are on the mend and pictures of the apré-race activities are surfacing and of course the conflicts that have surfaced are... well, being hashed out.
Another wind is blowing and a sense for the need of an official organization is upon us. Some are eager to have a sanctioning association and others feel sufficient w/the status quo. Whatever happens be assured that there will never be a lack of Knuckleheads to fill in the gaps because there will always be a reason to hack the scene. With that in mind join me in welcoming a few more members to this society of ne'er-do-wells who may not be able to skate together but surely stand apart.
So join me in welcoming to the fold our new members: Nancy Smith (our 50th member!), Kenny Mollica, Brian Hall, and Nathan Favero (this must be the second time Nate...)
So you've have been chosen to join the ranks of the few without honor, compassion, nor financial rewards; to share in the society of Knuckleheads. A secret society hiding in plain sight (shhhhh.... act invisible). To proclaim your right to error without apologies (What a lovely excuse), and the freedom to speak your mind and anybody else's that you happen to hear inside your head.
All rise (several Knuckleheads are present but you can't see them) and clench you fists and salute (ouch!) our new members.
In the following days (er, weeks... ok months) you will receive more info on our the mayhem we are privileged too and a good DEAL more. (You guys can put your hands down now.)
*If there is anyone out there that hasn’t received the inconsistent flow of emails from me babbling about the importance of the miscellany please email me and berate me for my inconsideration. I will only have to comply. And if there are others still who would like to be a part of this dis-organization; feel free to let me know why you are such a Knucklehead and I’ll be too happy to bring you into the fray.
Always at your service,
Alan Sidlo
Knucklehead Racing Team
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Olympics
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On 12/3/2001 Glen
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I never got why "the industry" didn't want it to be in the Olympics either.
The fact that skiing was in never made me want to stop skiing, even though I was never into racing. I skied Atomic slalom skis and got the benefit of their racing R&D.
A lot of skaters want skateboarding to be an exclusive club.
It's the same mentality person that says some band, that they liked, sold out just because they sold some records. If it's not their own thing, it's not cool.
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