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exclusionary.org
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On 12/7/2001 lbk
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Well Arab, I'm not going to list all the organizations that I have ever belonged to because that is my own business. Sure some organization I joined have done nothing for me. That is "me". I might have joined some of those for the betterment of everyone involved or even the cause. Other organizations I have joined (aka given money to) have been for my sole benefit and that is the only reason I joined.
Why are you so down on skateboard organizations? Is it because they have not worked in the past? Myself, I am against organized sports. Skateboarding is about being free to ride. Do you really think that skateboarders would join an organization that would restrict them. No!
Also, are you saying that if I don't join EDI then I can't race. If that is the case then I will have to make a decision if I want to join just so I can race. Kind of sounds exclusionary to me but then again maybe we don't have to be an EDI member to race in their events.
Check you later, I'm out for the evening.
DR
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left,noright,noleft,yeahright.com
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On 12/7/2001
lefty
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But seriously folks. I'll be the first to tell you that I am not fond of organizations period. It is rare that they ever make you feel like you are getting true value for your membership- and most of the time you are lucky if you feel you are gettting about 50% of your value out of them. I have been a member of a rare few that seemed to give a lot more.
So that being said- why do we need them?
Well if we want to encourage competition it really helps lend credibility to our sport to have an organization that helps promote and steer our sport. It gives sponsors for an event that are not connected with teh industry a central place to communicate their needs and sponsor a series of races- that might have different promoters.
If people from other countries want to race it really helps them get funding from their country if we have an actual recognized organization. We Americans get screwed compared to other athletes who are supported by their governments. We have to pay our own way etc.... but as Americans we find a way to afford it. Other countries often just can't. They have to have their government financially to compete.
Having a organization will help schedule events properly so people have a logical schedule that is cost effective. They won't have competitions occur during New Englands hottest days, or California's rainy months, or Miami's humid summer. They won't have athletes being forced to choose between two "valuable Points" events that happen in the same weekend in defferent places. They won't sanction strange slalom events with bizzare cones/poles or courses that do not fit a recognized discipline of our sport- we will still be able to try out different formats, but a Mini 10 cone Tight Slalom or a 200 cone giant slalom won't count towards points or for determining a winner of a contest. Only events recognized will count- though if we develop something new and it gets voted in- great.
They might have a sliding scale for competitors For example....
A Bronze Membership lets you enter one local competition and one national competition.
A Silver membership lets you enter 3 Locals, 2 regional competitions
A Gold Lets you enter all the locals, all of the regionals and the world Championships.
A Pro membership gets you all the competitions plus prefered prequalifing status if you have over a certain number of points. Costs $$$more- but is good for the sport.
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EDI & FCR Races
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On 12/7/2001 lbk
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Arab,
Do I have to be a card carrying member of EDI or FCR to race in their respective events?
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Huh??
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On 12/7/2001 PA Dan
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I just want to race! So bad I can taste it! See you at the DC Winter Series! Winter...Oh shit!! O.K., I'm offically in training...weightlifting, 16 ounces at a time-Busch Light.Hope I can qualify for the BBR (Big Belly Racing) ORGANIZATION!!
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uhhh.
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On 12/7/2001 Lost Lamb
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Can I join?Please, Please, Please
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Anarchy in the USA
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On 12/7/2001 lbk
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Arab,
Checks in the mail.
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LMAO!
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On 12/7/2001
adam t
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Good one!
Cheers,
adam t
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khrt
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On 12/7/2001 cfavero115
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i have taken it upon myself and am now forming a splinter faction of the Knuckleheads.it is actually another racing organization, it is the USSFGIOSSWVISSFAKHSSDERSSISSAUSSSG.i dont have time to tell you the full name,that is only available with a paid membership.i cant tell you what we stand for either,again,only with a paid membership.to jion,just e mail me your credit card numbers,i will see that it gets taken care of.
El Presidente(thats espanol for you mono linguistics)
CF
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On 12/7/2001 SSof S
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OK,,, I'll believe any S;#=t you say, Alan! :-)
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KHRT
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On 12/7/2001
Paul K
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Whaddya mean "might!!!
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Knucklehead
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On 12/7/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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We're all over...
...the place! Anyway ya can't stop something that never needed starting and ya can't fight what ya can't see, but don't question existance, you just might go insane.
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KHRT
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On 12/7/2001
Paul K
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Noooooooo
Surely not....the end of KHRT
Paul K
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Knucklehead Racing Team
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On 12/7/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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SSSometime's you just got go with the flow 'cause sooner or later it all becomes what it was before. More of the same, only different...
...besides we've moved on. We're all over!!!
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On 12/7/2001 SSofS
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I don't get it... how come suddenly there's all these skating organisations being discussed in the Knucklehead forum???
Psycholloyd, wots goin on???
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EDI
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On 12/6/2001 lbk
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I don't think that just because someone is doing races that it would exclude any other slalom organizations from being created. Also, I went to EDI's page and I couldn't find any slalom races. Hunter previously sent me an e-mail and he mentioned EDI was going to do some slalom races. Any more info. on this? I hope the promoters announce their races as early as possible so people can start to make arrangements.
BTW, thanks to all the promoters out there.
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Thank you...
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On 12/6/2001
adam t
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Yes, Mr.Gould and I are in contact.
He lives a couple of hours North of me and we have loose plans to meet. I am also looking forward to meeting/skating with you if/when you arrive here in Phoenix. Please let me know, I'm sometimes pretty busy with the family and I want to make sure I get to meet you.
Here is a url for more about me than you want to know...
http://www.smallstreams.com/soar Here you can put a face to a name (...much less hair, a middle age spare, no more flares, if I bend over my pants tear, the pool we'll share, catch a little air, a black ribbon lair, for slalom I care, before the wheel chair, old age scare, ameron pipes are where?)
Best Regards,
adam [t]
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On 12/6/2001
adam t
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Mr.GBJ
I've said enough in regard to "that" organization.
You have been more than polite to me (e-mail) and my posts. Mr.Arab's opinion cuts straight to the chase. I wish you the best. There are no hard feelings from me in this, no grudges, the "static" words here are easy to interpret, to go on tangent. I've written enough on the subject and my opinion is clear. In the future, I assure you there will be no "told you so" because I am sure you will have the racers behind you, and the love of slalom skateboard racing in your heart. It's not hard to recognize this.
I don't think I have anything to apologize for, but if I have offended you, please accept mine. What is truly important here is that the "players" are all having fun, and there are plenty of people to share the fun with. This my friend, is what is important.
Good luck with your direction, you have a tough job ahead and I wish you well. It will be a labor of love and your rewards will come from knowing that you have "given back."
I'm a slalom enthusiast, a slalom freaque (...heard this from TK) and I applaud the current movement.
Have a great day,
adam t
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perception
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On 12/6/2001
adam t
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Mr.Arab,
In my opinion, your view is correct. Straight to the point, I enjoy the truth as I see it in your words.
Words are all we have here,
Thank you for presenting your opinion and I too wish Mr.GBH well.
Respectfully,
adam t
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USSSF
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On 12/6/2001
GBJ
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Actually, AdamT, the phrase is "Think Globally. Act Locally." That's beside the point.
I don't think anyone's reacting like your words were rocks. Personally, I congratulated you for your enthusiastic embrace of the matters at hand. I just wonder, when you state, "This community truly OWES the ISSA at least a look into this organization." You just seem so sure that "we" (the people at whom you've stated your intention to be throwing metaphoric rocks) are dismissing the ISSA out of hand, without giving them the time of day. What makes you so certain that is the case? How are you so certain that some, if not all, of "us" didn't spend years reading Jani's "Slalom!" magazine and closely following, if not participating in the Euro-based and centered ISSA activities?
So, having followed the history of the ISSA as it was happening, and deciding still to want to give a national organization a try at this point in time, am I somehow disrespecting Jani, his efforts or the ISSA?
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...throwing rocks.
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On 12/6/2001
adam t
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Gentlemen,
I took the time to e-mail Jani Soderhall. He took the time to explain to me a little about the ISSA in it's current form. Did any of you e-mail or write a letter investigating this Association? I see you are quoting from a rule book, this is good, but did you simply make a diagnosis without actually investigating? Bad prognosis.
I hold no issue with any of you/us. All of this passion is good, all of it. I don't want to stir the pot, I simply think there are some good ingrediants for this meal, you dig?
My "ISSA" posts can be looked at like throwing rocks at a crowd. The rock being the good idea of the ISSA and the crowd being this forum. The rocks I am throwing are good rocks, good ideas that won't hurt anyone. They are hitting people and they are responding albeit like they are real rocks.
It is amazing, I have been respectful and clear in my posts, and although I don't have 31 years of slalom enthusiasm, I do remember watching Tony Alva on the television being interviewed by Wide World of Sports after winning a slalom race against Henry Hester. (Kinda reminded me of the Steve O win) I didn't think I was disrespectful by "throwing the good rocks" at this crowd. This community truly OWES the ISSA at least a look into this organization. Seeing that people are so soulful and want to respect their past, well, the ISSA is a part of our slalom past on many accounts.
I live in Arizona and I am not a part of racing, but I have been riding Turner Summer Skis since 79 or 80. I like cones. (...those of women and on asphalt!) I want to come join in on the fun of this new resurgence in slalom and meet the people (from the past, present and future of slalom) after so many years of turning with just a friend here or there.
The ISSA was/is a good idea. I've followed it as much as I could from afar. And as I have already stated a couple of times now, "I will support any respectful organization for the advancement of slalom skateboard racing" through my membership and or donation.
I'm NOT attacking anyone, just throwing some rocks.
How does that saying go? "Think local, act global?"
I've said enough, you either will take a look or you won't. I did my part and I'll stop throwing rocks.
Best Regards,
adam [t]
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ISSA
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On 12/6/2001
Jack
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Adam, I must respectfully disagree with you on the ISSA not being a dead horse. There is no organization. Not updating their website in three years? Have they sanctioned or organized any events in the last three years?
I respect what they did when they were operating, however I think it's time to move on.
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USSSF
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On 12/6/2001 GBJ
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Oops... Re-read that last line as "When? Soon!" (I didn't mean to put in that second question mark!)
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USSSF
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On 12/6/2001
GBJ
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Adam T., Are you speaking directly to me? It sure seems that way. I'm excited to see that you've taken such an interest in the different organizations that have or may evolve around the slalom skateboarding community. I hope you will bring some of that passion to an involvement in the USSSF. I just want to make it clear that things needn't be so adversarial as you seem to be making it. Forming the USSSF has nothing to do with "Turning our backs" on the ISSA. If I am not mistaken, the ISSA, as an International organization, is used to interfacing the individual organizations of multiple nations, in its' plans. There is no reason to assume that the USSSF would not send a representative to the ISSA. In fact, Article II of the USSSF By-Laws (Proposed) deals specifically with Affiliated Associations.
My intention in creating the USSSF is to lend my years of experience in association management to the 31 years of passion I've held for slalom skateboarding, and hopefully create a condition, at this special moment in time, that will be beneficial to everyone who loves our special corner of the sporting world. It is beyond doubt that the organization, its' officers, Board of Directors and myself will occasional fail to please everyone, but you have my word that the United States Slalom Skateboarding Federation is a true, not-for-profit, sport promoting and sanctioning body that will, to the best of any organization's ability, document, quantify, represent and act upon the expressed purposes and wishes of its' membership. Hopefully that membership will be large enough to actually claim to represent the majority of the community.
When? Soon? The USSSF in 2002!
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ISSA
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On 12/6/2001
adam t
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http://www.pcpal.fr/issa/
...just got an E from Jani Soderhall, the ISSA is not dead. There is a current movement and from what I understand, there is a member of the French contingency that has been checking out the NCSDS forum(s) quietly. They just need help with interest, help in putting in the time, they need volunteers. There has got to be someone from the USA that will step up to the plate, someone?
A web site is often static (and a sport like slalom) and goes through periods of increased interest, ebb and flow. Right now, the tide has turned somewhat like the slalom situation back in the early 90's. Europe is turning on again too. The ISSA is a good organization and seems petty to start something new, when something so well run already exsists.
It is important to investigate the ISSA, it's rules, the history, listen to those racers that were involved. If you want to be involved in organizing racing, and you want the sport to ADVANCE, then surely we can build on a solid organization that has proven it's worth. Build on the history of the ISSA. North America could have it's own faction, a part of it, and move forward. Not reinventing the rules.
The talk of "killing the soul" is odd. Professional slalom skateboard racing will not kill the soul. It will only serve to strenghthen it. Professional racing rules will increase the performance, reduce the rule interpretation argument and attitudes that lurk under the surface about current racing races/conditions.
"Killing the soul" comes under the form of organizing because YOU decide YOU want to be in charge. It won't kill the soul, it will kill yours. Do you want to help the sport of organized slalom skateboarding move forward? At least seriously investigate (actually study) the history of slalom racing. I think this request is reasonable.
Investigate, do jump to conclusions and pronounce it dead because this is not true according to Jani Soderhall on 12/6/01
Talk with the people who have raced in the ISSA. Talk with the people who were and are in charge of it. Their words are golden. I believe that you will find that there is room for you, here in the USA to become an "official" in this organization
I am not angry that people want to make a new organization. I don't have a bad attitude towards all the arguments and the riffs going on at these forums. It's all good. It's about passion, no apathy, it's time to light up the torch and move forward with racing rules that are international in scope. I will even support your organization if you turn your back on the ISSA. I want to see the sport grow and take it's course to the olympics. I bet that most of the racers want the same thing. This is not about "me or you" it's about slalom racing.
The ISSA is not a dead horse by any means.
Have fun,
adam
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khrt
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On 12/5/2001
cfavero
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qouting muddy waters"i got my black cap on,i got a mojo too"cf
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