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Grass Roots
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On 12/22/2001
hugh r
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Wow! A lot of thoughts since I checked here last night!
I will hold off on posting my personel veiws for just a bit longer.
I would like to say that I fully respect ALL the opinions that are being posted here.
Regardless of which direction that the G.R.A.S.S. website takes I want you to know that it is not a 4:20 organization as far as I have anything to do with it.
Here are a few things to consider for this discussion:
*Grass is a word that was widely used 35 years ago and is hardly used as a slang reference anymore.
*For many it will still have its original slang reference.
*The logo chosen will be critical in determining what message will be received.
*Each and every Chapter is encouraged to have their own website/domain name/mission statement etc... this way it gives their webmaster full editorial control over their name and content. In this scenerio the grass.homestead site (or its new name if its changed) would provide a link to the local chapters site.
*GRASS is an Association. Not a club, organization, affiliation, or any type of membership charter. There are no real rules, though there will be suggested guide lines, etc...
Keep the discussions going! This is great! HR
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weed
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On 12/22/2001 hc
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http://www.ncdsa.com/Russ_Howell_CDROM/SKATING/Magazine%20Pages/Skateboarder-1979-V5N8-March-Page002.jpg
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G.R.A.S.S.
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On 12/21/2001
Chris Chaput
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C'mon guys! It's not like we have Mike Weed for a president or anything...
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G.R.A.S.S.
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On 12/21/2001 adam trahan
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...you know hugh r, Adam N. has a point. I have two young boys, I'm going to have to explain this "name" to them soon. It is difficult enough to explain to some of my peers why I still skateboard. Now add in the marijuana implication and I'm thinking ahead a little bit more about our name down the road. At first, I didn't even think twice about the implications, just went with the good flow. It's a good thing to simply continue the direction, the name itself really has no bearing on the movement at this point in time. To table this would be a wise move I believe. It won't really be a problem to change it now, could be harder later. I know of a web site as a case in review...
It's "our" call, but I think that Adam N. has a good point.
Sometimes it takes a different perspective to bring the view into focus. The name being something down the road that might not be all that positive and representitive of our slalom skateboarding regional community direction...
This situation is nothing that will distract from the core idea.
Thanks Adam, good ideas are just that.
May I respectfully ask that G.R.A.S.S. members please review this idea from Adam N and LBK?
On 12/21/2001 Adam wrote in from 209.179.xxx.xxx:
lbk,
The first time I saw the name G.R.A.S.S. I have to admit I cringed, not because it violates Ncdsa.com posting guidelins, which technically it does not, but because it will always be a public relations problem. But it's not my place to tell someone else how to run their business, so I stayed quiet.
I applaud the concept and will support it as best I can.
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GRASS
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On 12/21/2001 lbk
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Alan, we are cool. Talk to you later.
DR
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G.R.A.S.S. Roots
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On 12/21/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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I myself really do tend to refer to it as a G.R.A.S.S. Roots Association of Slalom Skateboarders depending on the situation. If someone just says the acronym in another context, of coarse it could be misconstrued.
I do support a lot of the medical uses for natural substances including what has been implied. But my focus is on this form of racing and if something detracts or dilutes the "brand" I would be reluctant to be tied to it.
So we do have to be careful w/how we represent ourselves and that includes how the logo is designed. You do have a good point, I know. In some instances you will find some people attracted to the edge it has so who’s to say. I do regret that you can’t be there with us, so feel free to form your own organization David, I’d be all too happy to support that one too…
…or better yet maybe we can both join yet another person’s organization and still be able to have a good time!
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GRASS
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On 12/21/2001
Brian P
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lbk, I am not disagreeing with you. Actually I kinda agree. As a future race organizer I would find it difficult to explain to the Mother of an 8 year old that GRASS is good and fun for their kid.
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My GRASS has problems, it has weeds.
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On 12/21/2001 lbk
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I'll check on the G.R.A.S.S. name debate tomorrow.
DR
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How can we stay focused while on GRASS?
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On 12/21/2001 lbk
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Claude, go tell that on the mountain and the cops will not let you slalom skateboard there. Is this a grass roots slalom skateboard organization or a medicinal purpose marijuana use organization. Just my point, lets stay focused on slalom skateboarding and let NORMAL do their own thing.
DR
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Can not support use of GRASS
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On 12/21/2001 lbk
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Adam, Alan, BrianP, I know it is late and the rest of the slalomers are not on line, but I must say that I can not support the Grass Roots Association of Slalom Skateboarders. Any one that knows me also knows that I am one of the most open minded skateboarders out there; however; if I have a problem with the name then how do you think the public in general will react. Just change the name.
DR
PS I hope that Arab could one day re-join NCDSA but he would need concentrate on slalom skateboarding issues and not get into it with people that he thinks are "attacking" him.
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GRASS
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On 12/21/2001
Brian P
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I am willing to donate westcoastslalom.com....I also checked other names like....midwestslalom.com...southwestslalom.com.. .ect...they all are available.
check out my new site...eastcoastslalom.com.....it is basic but I think it is what each of the local chapters of GRASS or whatever should have to promote slalom in there areas.
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G.R.A.S.S.
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On 12/21/2001
Claude
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Then there is the other side of the coin.
I'ts a big coin however. Use this name and try to support causes that need access to legal use for medicinal purposes. We know the facts, we are kids setting this up.
I have a very dear friend of mine who at 42 was forced to take an early retirement because her MS is getting worse she is in pain all the time. walks with a cane and possibly within a couple of years a wheelchair. she never smoked and won't now. It would relieve some of the pain. Others could ust the support with all kinds of ailments.
We truly believe that G.R.A.S.S. is what we want and need we go for it and support evrything we can to help people period.
Just a thought.
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On 12/21/2001
Adam
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lbk,
The first time I saw the name G.R.A.S.S. I have to admit I cringed, not because it violates Ncdsa.com posting guidelins, which technically it does not, but because it will always be a public relations problem. But it's not my place to tell someone else how to run their business, so I stayed quiet.
I applaud the concept and will support it as best I can.
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G.R.A.S.S.
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On 12/21/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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Yes, I totally agree with you there David R. and people aught to be able to form their own groups and name it according to their own opinions. We just chose to rally under this banner because the moniker seemed to fit the cause. BTW, I don't claim this organization as "mine", I feel it already existed. It just needed a name (and HR to make it work). Please excuse my sense of humor; I just wanted to give an example of where a title can be easily misinterpreted.
So feel free to call it what you will. In the mean time I'll enjoy my lawn, an occasional shot of wheat grass. Most seem to refer to it as the grass roots movement in any case. Whatever it is, it’s happening as we speak.
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Smoke that GRASS name.
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On 12/21/2001 lbk
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Hell, I'll reimburse Hugh for another domain name. As long as he does not re-direct any new organization through grass.homestead.com. Slalom skateboarding needs to get rid of the drug connotation now before it causes problems.
DR
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Grass
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On 12/21/2001
Claude
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I just wanted to say that the implications of the name G.R.A.S.S. put me to thinking.
I do like everything about it except the implications. We will simply have tread the waters lightly and see what kind of feedback we get.
That may be an excellent reason for a guest book as mentioned earlier.
I do a lot of Coaching thru Certificatio Programs and they would definitely want it changed if we were going after funds for Amamteur Sports organization.
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GRASS = Drug Use
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On 12/21/2001 lbk
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hg, I'm with you brother not against you. Out here in DC there was an informal skate team in the late 70's through the 80's called the "Toke Team". They ripped but they had the reputation of partying as the name implied. At first the Toke Team had the Annandale, VA ramp that made it on the front cover of Thrasher. Later when skateboarding was all but dead if it were not for backyard ramp skaters, the Toke Team came up with the famous Cedar Crest Ramp. Skaters have confided in me that they stayed away from the Cedar Crest Ramp because they thought any support be it money or even labor somehow contributed to the drug use going on at the ramp at the time. I was surfing the years of the Cedar Crest Ramp days so I cannot confirm or deny that situation.
If we want to start a grass roots effort then lets not shoot ourselves in the foot by using a name that will get mixed up with another group of people. This is so important if we want to bring the youth into the sport. Even the hint of drugs and boom the parents will be against us.
DR
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On 12/21/2001
Brian P
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lbk, I see your point. However, I know you read the mainstream skateboarding press. GRASS seems mild compared to the current skate propaganda.
I know that dont make it right.
But it really is a cool name.
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GRASS
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On 12/21/2001
hg
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Illicit substance abuse was the last thing anyone was thinking about when crafting the name or organization. Feel free to propose an alternative - if you (or anyone) come up with a acceptable alternative, the only hassle is that Hugh would have to redirect the website. I was thinking about other combinations that included "SS" - BOSS (brotherhood/battalion/.. of slalom skateboarders), BASS, FASST, MOSS, TOSS, etc, but so far, no great ideas.
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GRASS Message
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On 12/21/2001 lbk
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Alan, I'm with your ideas all the way but if you package it the wrong way then people will not buy it. Or worse yet, the wrong message given could do more harm than the good intentions of your organization.
DR
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G.R.A.S.S.
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On 12/21/2001
psYch0Lloyd
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lbk: Understandably some people might initially be taken aback by the recursive acronym that is GRASS but when one realizes that the name also implies it’s meaning then you can understand the beauty of it's simplicity.
Alan Sidlo
Joint Chief of Staff
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GRASS & ARAB
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On 12/21/2001 lbk
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Well I went back to check the posting guidelines and I see that I am in violation of one myself. Get the soap out. But I would like to point out that "G.R.A.S.S." might be pushing it too far in the spirit of below NCDSA posting guideline.
-> Posts promoting RUI (riding under the influence) <-
Huh? I thought ncdsa.com was cool? What up?! Here's what's up: We're not here to tell you how to live your exciting lives, but realize that ncdsa.com is read by hundreds of kids and teens who don't need this role model. Nuf sed. (end of guideline)
I find it disturbing that Arab gets kicked off NCDSA for violating posting guidelines and the rest of us don’t get banned for violating the guidelines also? If Arab has got to live by the rules so should we.
DR
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What type of G.R.A.S.S.
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On 12/21/2001 lbk
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Dave G, I agree but seriously I think the name needs to be changed so everyone can be involved. I have a problem promoting the name as it is to the general public. Not everyone is as tolerant.
DR
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grass
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On 12/21/2001 Dave G
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Pot, never came into the formulation!!! Is Grass a dirty word? Wash your mouth out w/ Steve M's Crazy Soap!
I certainly find it less offensive than S.S.S! And it is a true ,honorable Grass Roots approach!!!
My 2 cents!
Dave G
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Slalomer’s Heliocentric Interactive Team Spirit
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On 12/21/2001 lbk
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Well that would be "I got the SHATS". How about we use Slalomer’s Heliocentric Interactive Team Spirit". Now I got the S.H.I.T.S.
DR
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