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a GRASS Roots Association of Slalom Skateboarders
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On 12/23/2001
psYch0Lloyd
wrote in from
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I can imagine the plan, and its gonna be grand!
This is really dynamic...
...as well as organic!
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name game
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On 12/23/2001
hugh r
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You callin' us old?
ANYWAY... I am formulating a plan... it's not complete yet... but it is coming together... look for it soon. I'm just gonna do it and see what you all think... hopefully within the next couple of days (wait a minute, is this just my way to increase traffic to grassrootsslalom.homestead.com?... nah, I really have a plan!)
G.R.A.S.S. is growing
S.S.A. is real
F.A.S.S.T. takes off
I've got plans... HR
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grass
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On 12/23/2001
Hamm
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oh yeah, i almost forgot. todays 'users' would be horribly offended if you refered to todays product as 'grass'
some of you are really showing your age, HAHAHAHA
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GRSSA
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On 12/22/2001 hc
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should be double SS, (slalom skateboarding)
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SSA (G.R.A.S.S.)
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On 12/22/2001 Bman
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welcome back Arab. You are in SSA as far as I am concerned. I don't wish to turn anyone away from the new org and Let's keep NCDSA going along too!
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On 12/22/2001
loneskater
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with all this talk of names i haven't even given consideration to kids riding and permission slips. i almost don'tunderstand how someone can race without insurance. i am having a heck of a time with my antiquated town govt, and the kids just raised $1000 dollars on their own to ride wooden ramps (to purchase the needed insurance). we include everybody inliners, bikes etc. but for racing (especially at the hills being talked about now) i don't see it. of course i have no kids, but i have argued at length with the city council. fortunately my hills are over the county line. all i see is outlaw racing in my area for the next six months. and nobody under eighteen. sorry. but we will be racing in Az, and I'm trying to get a college to look the other way this summer, for a good parking lot. George
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Cal South
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On 12/22/2001 steelwheelBob
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Greetings,
OK, OK,.. G.R.A.S.S. as a name is dead.
The elements that are important in the name are:
Slalom
Skateboarding
Grass Roots
League ,Association, or Organization
World or International
I'll go with W.A.G.R.S.S. as a possible ault.
World Association of Grass Roots Slalom Skateboarding
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ecssa/wcssa/mwssa/sssa
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On 12/22/2001 tway
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How about ECSSA (East Coast) WCSSA (West C), MWSSA (Mid-West) SSSA (Southern) ect....all the regional hosts can work together to promote races/expos in their respected areas.
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ssa
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On 12/22/2001
tway
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I have to agree w/ lbk's logic (so does my wife). SSA is pretty straight forward and will be a lot easier to promote. Logo ideas anyone??
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SSA
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On 12/22/2001 Boardman
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GRASS was great conceptually but not P.R. friendly. I second Adam T's motion for SSA
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SSA
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On 12/22/2001 adam trahan
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Hugh R, wise choice. Coming from someone who gives back to the internet comunity with his own great web site, I respect your choice and I back your decision. I would like to propose that you take it a step farther.
You have stood up to the challenge, and I think you are the one to organize us as the SSA...
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Grass Roots
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On 12/22/2001
hugh r
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Again I say WOW!
I appericiate the many well thought out view on the subject of the naming of our Grass Roots Organization! You guys are great!
While I completely agree that as an adult community we can deal with the acronym G.R.A.S.S. but the arguments concerning this association and it's impact on non-adults are very convincing.
I have made a move based strictly on the basis of the arguments that have been presented and the fact that I am currently the one who is hosting the site to change the name and url as they appear on the web.
G.R.S. Grass Roots Slalom Association
In doing this, I am not attempting to exercise any authority over any Chapter Host or interested party... only the authority over the website that I host.
I will hope that by doing this I show that ANYONE linking their sites with the GRS site have full editorial control over the site they maintain... and that ANYONE hosting a Grass Roots Associated race/event/get-together have FULL control over their activity regardless of whether it falls inline with any guidelines that the GRS may suggest.
This association is for the skaters, by the skaters... I am simply a guy hosting one of the sites and the host of the AV Quartz Hill Chapter... HR
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SSA
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On 12/22/2001 adam trahan
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Excellent example Ricky.
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G.R.A.S.S.
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On 12/22/2001 Ricky
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Here's an example. How was this name taken?
http://www.ncdsa.com/Russ_Howell_CDROM/SKATING/Magazine%20Pages/Skateboarder-1978-V5N3-October-Page163.jpg
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SSA or ASS
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On 12/22/2001 adam trahan
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My opinion is that you have a good point Ricky.
The name of the organization needs to reflect a wholesome attitude that is positive. Not taking a negative and turning it into a positive, not starting out as a controversy or a gimmick, not having a "me and my experience attitude" in regards to drugs, it should reflect the name of what it is, a slalom skateboarding association, THE slalom skateboarding association for the United States and beyond.
Imagine that, this serves the globe, everyone will agree, the promoters, the east, the west, it even fits the rest of the world because it starts from the ground up, we are doing it here.
Slalom skateboarding is pretty wholesome. It's just a course, a skateboard racer and the clock. Pretty positive right from the start (forums not included)
My personal opinion is that you have cut straight to the point and as a adult who is trying to be a "kid" with an adult attitude, I agree with your intelligent, obvious approach.
Jack has a point in his post about "potshots" and now is the time to think about what this is about. Slalom skateboarding and growing the sport amoung the youth and beyond.
Personally, I don't want to have an organization riding along or with any implications of drugs. This isn't about me, it is about youth and I would rather get the organization started out on a positive note than on the back of a negative connotation or controversy. Let it be all good and stand on it's own without any drug connotation.
With all due respect Mr.Stanton I enjoy your perspective, but I do not agree with it. Just say "no" to drugs.
Slalom Skateboarding Association? Is this one already taken? Isn't this what we are doing here? Sounds like a pretty good name for what we are. Be proud and I am sure EVERYONE will agree that this simple name reflects what this organization is about. YESSS!
Sometimes I can't see the forest because the tree gets in the way.
On 12/22/2001 Ricky wrote in from 24.170.xxx.xxx:
I never gave the name a 2nd thought until now. I started picturing myself in certain situations, with a G.R.A.S.S. T-shirt on... asking a mom to sign a consent form with G.R.A.S.S. across the top of the sheet...handing out G.R.A.S.S. stickers at races and having those skickers taken home from the race by the kids and stuck on Dad's car...all this will be awkward. I will more than likely be dealing with kids in my area. The older guys that are coming out will give me a double take and chuckle when they hear the name. The kids and the kids parents may ask more questions.Personally, I liked the name. It caught everyones attention. There's a million catch phases for it, some good, some bad, like, "G.R.A.S.S., We're Smokin'" or "We're watching G.R.A.S.S. grow". It's good name for what we want to do, Grow G.R.A.S.S., but as good as it seems, it may not be the best for our needs.
I maybe seeing this from to much of a kids standpoint but it's my two cents.
Do I smell a "Name That Organization" contest?
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G.R.A.S.S.
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On 12/22/2001
psYch0Lloyd
wrote in from
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Well said Mr. Staton. After realizing the power of the word/acronym and all it connotes, I too came to the conclusion that there would have to be some reorienting certain people’s “definition” of the word GRASS. I really didn’t think we had difficulty in having to have to battle the public’s perception if the presentation is forthright. You put it so eloquently though and it is for people such as you that changes can occur.
Alan Sidlo
Knucklehead Racing Team ...and landscaper
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grass
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On 12/22/2001 TJ
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2 days of bickering about a name and posting guidelines and Arab wasnt even present, Along with what went on the other day on the slalom page without Arabs presents.
Was/is Arab the problem here?
LBK
A man of reason, somebody like you should be overseeing GRASS under another name of course.
LBK for PRES!
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G.R.A.S.S.
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On 12/22/2001
steelwheelBob
wrote in from
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Greetings!
The word grass as a slang term for pot is old school.
I also had a knee jurk reaction to the GRASS name, but only for a second or two and was able to put that into perspective with my age and the generation I grew up in.
We are not about pot, we are about a sport and family and
community values.We only advocate having fun by riding a slalom board and racing other slalom board riders.
I want to keep the name, it will do far more good than harm. If anything, it will serve to be an undeclaired PR tool for creating an alturnative to drug use much like the concept behind using the term D.A.R.E.
I have a Public Relations background and have been an anti-drug advocate since 1966 when I was a member of the Presidents Commission under Lyndon Johnson.I have spent my entire life in youth advocate activities with a clear stance
against drug use. I have worked in the school system in south centeral LA, 10 years in parks and recreation for 5
city's, teen crises centers, plus all the involvement I have had in the skateboard world over the last 40 years.
I have never smoked. And have not had a drink in 38 years.
I believe it is well worth the trade off to get a knee jurk reaction now and then to be able to clealify OUR use of the
word G.R.A.S.S.and drive the old school term further into the past.
I did a search for grass on Yahoo, and yes I did find ONE
connection to pot, all other sites that use the word Grass
have nothing to do with pot.
A picture is worth a thousand words..Our G.R.A.S.S. logo,
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and tee-shirts etc. will have a slalom racer graphic, like the one you see when you log onto this site, and the
association name spelled out in full and that will serve to elimenate 90+ percent of the sub-cultural doubt.
Long live G.R.A.S.S. the Grass Roots Association of Slalom
Skareboard...er's, or...ing(?).
Bob Staton
Blade, Cal South Chapter
G.R.A.S.S.
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grass
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On 12/22/2001
Hamm
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i have in the past made my feelings about how I feel orgainizations are actually bad for skateboarding. But I consider HughR to be one of my best buds in skating and a dedicated family guy. HughR's dedication to skating(all forms) is serious business. HughR, if you need anything, let me know. Now, how about an outlaw race on Templeton?!
lbk, interesting. My memories of the Annadale ramp('82-83)
were mostly of straight-edge punks who did'nt drink or smoke. Different circles I guess.
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G.R.A.S.S.
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On 12/22/2001
Jack
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I am so stoked about what you guys are doing. However, the name situation is difficult. Aside from the problems already mentioned, the media would just love to take "potshots" at the organization.
Keep up the good work!
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G.R.A.S.S.
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On 12/22/2001 Ricky
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I never gave the name a 2nd thought until now. I started picturing myself in certain situations, with a G.R.A.S.S. T-shirt on... asking a mom to sign a consent form with G.R.A.S.S. across the top of the sheet...handing out G.R.A.S.S. stickers at races and having those skickers taken home from the race by the kids and stuck on Dad's car...all this will be awkward. I will more than likely be dealing with kids in my area. The older guys that are coming out will give me a double take and chuckle when they hear the name. The kids and the kids parents may ask more questions.
Personally, I liked the name. It caught everyones attention. There's a million catch phases for it, some good, some bad, like, "G.R.A.S.S., We're Smokin'" or "We're watching G.R.A.S.S. grow". It's good name for what we want to do, Grow G.R.A.S.S., but as good as it seems, it may not be the best for our needs.
I maybe seeing this from to much of a kids standpoint but it's my two cents.
Do I smell a "Name That Organization" contest?
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N.O.G.R.A.S.S.
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On 12/22/2001
Claude
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N.O.G.R.A.S.S.
Network Organization For Grass Roots Association Skateboarding Association
Just Brain storming. Yuo may notice I don't quit. I think and offer solutions good, bad Brain Cramps in between.
Later,CER
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G.R.A.S.S.
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On 12/22/2001
Claude
wrote in from
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The name doesn't matter to me. Pro's and Con's to anything.
I like it. I understand the reasons for change. I expressed two sides, let me know what the descisio is.
I'll be there.
Later, Happy Holidays to All
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GRAZZ
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On 12/22/2001 PCB
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I have been independently thinking the same thing as lbk about the problems with G.R.A.S.S. as a name for something that adults take part in. I'd be happier with a different combo/set of letters. From what little discussion I've had time to read here about the association, it sounds like a good idea, but should get a different name, especially with the world wide audience that we are able to have in this day and age.
I'll try to get the DC people to think of some other names during our session today.
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GRASS last post for me
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On 12/22/2001
Boardman
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I think we should discuss this name issue via e-mail between the chapters as to not violate any more of NCDSA's posting guidelines. I like the name, there are potential problems on a P.R. scale. Please drop me a line. (btw- I have 4 kids and ran it by my wife, no problems)
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